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I like Bart Torvik's better (barttorvik.com). Seems to have stability in the rankings. No huge changes from 1 game to the next.
Stability is nice but not at the expense of on court proof. That ranking has undefeated Texas ranked below SCar and UCLA whom the Longhorns have defeated. It's a good site though, and does provide a lot of good data used by the algorithm.
 
As Massey continues to integrate this season’s data, UConn has just surpassed South Carolina in the Power column. This calculation changes more slowly than Rating as SC has been #1 since last season, even after UConn won the championship.

According to Massey’s site, their final 2025 ratings had UConn ahead of South Carolina, albeit by a very slim margin:

 
Stability is nice but not at the expense of on court proof. That ranking has undefeated Texas ranked below SCar and UCLA whom the Longhorns have defeated. It's a good site though, and does provide a lot of good data used by the algorithm.
Torvik's method doesn't rely heavily on the outcome of one game. I believe his methodology tries to give in-site to what would be the outcome if the teams played 100 times. In the games you mentioned, his system probably "thinks" that SCar and UCLA would still beat Texas maybe 51 times out of 100. Texas just happened to take the 1st actual game.

Luckily, the best teams on paper don't always win. Otherwise it wouldn't be any need to play the games.
 
Other than UCONN , Villanova is the highest ranked Big East team at 45. Ouch.
 
I like Bart Torvik's better (barttorvik.com). Seems to have stability in the rankings. No huge changes from 1 game to the next.
I look at most of the statistical sites, and like the one you referenced too, in particular their Plus/Minus rating per 100 possessions, adjusted for level of competition can be viewed for each player game by game, not just for the entire season.

You just click on a specific player and scroll down to their game by game results to see how they performed in each game. at least by their statistical metrics under the bpm column.
 
No one is beating Connecticut this year. It should not even be close. Best two active WCBB players play for the Huskies. The best portal pickup plays for the Huskies. The rest of the roster is better than it has to be.
 
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Other than UCONN , Villanova is the highest ranked Big East team at 45. Ouch.
I will say though that the top half of the BE are moving their way up the Massey rankings week by week. And even Xavier took a big jump by beating Cincy.

The BE is never going to be the B1G or SEC. Never going to happen. I will say at the rate the ACC is going, the BE could overtake them. LOL.

I think the most we can hope for is to get the top half of the conference above 50 and the rest above 150 and call that successful.

And again, UConn has proved it doesn't need a big conference to win what's really important, Nattys.
 
Stability is nice but not at the expense of on court proof. That ranking has undefeated Texas ranked below SCar and UCLA whom the Longhorns have defeated. It's a good site though, and does provide a lot of good data used by the algorithm.
You can remove the preseason priors and get the ranking solely based on this seasons performance. Texas and UCLA are both ranked ahead SC in this version.

 
According to Massey’s site, their final 2025 ratings had UConn ahead of South Carolina, albeit by a very slim margin:

So i see, fellow number wonk (FNW).

Can you see what the Rating and Power scores were to start the season? I didn’t know that previous dates were available to review.
 
For those who might be wondering- the Massey ratings have nothing to do with NCAA tournament seeding or rankings. (A reminder that AP and Coaches poll rankings also have nothing to do with seeding). Massey is for numbers wonks and maybe some casual gamblers
I must be a number wonk😉
 
No one is beating Connecticut this year. It should not even be close. Best two active WCBB players play for the Huskies. The best portal pickup plays for the Huskies. The rest of the roster is better than it has to be.
Well, there are other great teams and players. The best big in the portal seems to have signed with South Carolina. Williams has really struggled, actually it's not clear what wrong. But, she hasn't showed a strong scoring touch and hasn't rebounded, she is often out of positions for rim protection. She is the smallest 6'4 player I've seen. Jana might be better in a big lineup and Sarah is way better for small ball. So the Post, once again is the weak link.
 
Well, there are other great teams and players. The best big in the portal seems to have signed with South Carolina. Williams has really struggled, actually it's not clear what wrong. But, she hasn't showed a strong scoring touch and hasn't rebounded, she is often out of positions for rim protection. She is the smallest 6'4 player I've seen. Jana might be better in a big lineup and Sarah is way better for small ball. So the Post, once again is the weak link.

Williams is in a new system. It took Dorka her second season to get the hang of the system.
 
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Williams is in a new system. It took Dorka her second season to get the hang of the system.
I agree. Outside of the first two games I truly don't understand the complaints of Serah. She is currently doing exactly what she is asked to as the 3rd/4th option and since those first two games she is putting up 16/9/3 per36 minutes on high efficiency (60%eFG). Her defense has been more than solid as well.
 
Well, there are other great teams and players. The best big in the portal seems to have signed with South Carolina. Williams has really struggled, actually it's not clear what wrong. But, she hasn't showed a strong scoring touch and hasn't rebounded, she is often out of positions for rim protection. She is the smallest 6'4 player I've seen. Jana might be better in a big lineup and Sarah is way better for small ball. So the Post, once again is the weak link.
Me waiting for you to say something, anything positive about the team

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Williams is in a new system. It took Dorka her second season to get the hang of the system.
But it's a one year deal. I'm all for her but my eyes just don't see how she was so successful in the Big Ten. The post is tough to learn in Geno's system but using your hands to grab the ball is not a system issue.
 
But it's a one year deal. I'm all for her but my eyes just don't see how she was so successful in the Big Ten. The post is tough to learn in Geno's system but using your hands to grab the ball is not a system issue.

That's my point. She was in a different system. Also, carried the team. Her entire role has changed. The season is still early. Give the girl a chance
 
But it's a one year deal. I'm all for her but my eyes just don't see how she was so successful in the Big Ten. The post is tough to learn in Geno's system but using your hands to grab the ball is not a system issue.
Yes, it’s a one year deal and Geno brought her in to fill a specific role and she is doing it. Notice that she is a starter on what is almost certainly the best team in women’s college bb this year. She’s doing exactly what Geno “hired” her to do - in about 17 minutes per game .

Geno didn’t bring her in to be an offensive star. He has Fudd and Strong and his offense is not designed to feature a big post player. Someone above mentioned Scar’s transfer post, Okote, for comparison. It’s not a good comparison because Dawn and Geno have always had different goals. Dawn’s teams have always relied on feeding strong low post player: A’ja, Boston and Kamilla. Okote fits that role. Geno prefers mobility over strength at center for his system.I think Williams is fitting that role as a big for Geno.

As long as she is a starter, I think Geno is satisfied. That’s what matters.
 
Yes, it’s a one year deal and Geno brought her in to fill a specific role and she is doing it. Notice that she is a starter on what is almost certainly the best team in women’s college bb this year. She’s doing exactly what Geno “hired” her to do - in about 17 minutes per game .

Geno didn’t bring her in to be an offensive star. He has Fudd and Strong and his offense is not designed to feature a big post player. Someone above mentioned Scar’s transfer post, Okote, for comparison. It’s not a good comparison because Dawn and Geno have always had different goals. Dawn’s teams have always relied on feeding strong low post player: A’ja, Boston and Kamilla. Okote fits that role. Geno prefers mobility over strength at center for his system.I think Williams is fitting that role as a big for Geno.

As long as she is a starter, I think Geno is satisfied. That’s what matters.
I generally agree with your comments, but I think you are incorrect to suggest that Geno "favors mobility over strength" a priori, i.e. independent of the strengths and weaknesses of his roster in specific years. In recent years at least since Stef Dolson graduated, and even this year, UConn has not had a powerful 6-5 bruiser available for the center position, but has had exceptional talent at other positions. So Geno designed his offense around the abilities of his players. If A'ja, Aliyah Boston, or Cardoso had chosen to come to UConn (and they all had offers from Geno), Geno's offense might look more like Dawn's. And if Dawn had had Paige and Azzi among others, her offense might look more like UConn's.
 
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I generally agree with your comments, but I think you are incorrect to suggest that Geno "favors mobility over strength" a priori, i.e. independent of the strengths and weaknesses of his roster in specific years. In recent years at least since Stef Dolson graduated, and even this year, UConn has not had a powerful 6-5 bruiser available for the center position, but has had exceptional talent at other positions. So Geno designed his offense around the abilities of his players. If A'ja, Aliyah Boston, or Cardoso had chosen to come to UConn (and they all had offers from Geno), Geno's offense might look more like Dawn's. And if Dawn had had Paige and Azzi among others, her offense might look more like UConn's.
I can’t disagree with that.
 
I generally agree with your comments, but I think you are incorrect to suggest that Geno "favors mobility over strength" a priori, i.e. independent of the strengths and weaknesses of his roster in specific years. In recent years at least since Stef Dolson graduated, and even this year, UConn has not had a powerful 6-5 bruiser available for the center position, but has had exceptional talent at other positions. So Geno designed his offense around the abilities of his players. If A'ja, Aliyah Boston, or Cardoso had chosen to come to UConn (and they all had offers from Geno), Geno's offense might look more like Dawn's. And if Dawn had had Paige and Azzi among others, her offense might look more like UConn's.
If you want to play full court which UConn apparently does then your back end must be able to move and cover the court. On offense I think Jana is pretty solid, rebounding Jana is really solid but her foot speed on the back half restricts her when pressing. I would add though that UConn has 10 players that would start for almost every other team in the country so talent is not an issue.
 
The Massey numbers are computer generated and not at all influenced by opinions, observations, etc
Why wouldn't a close call impact the numbers? Or am I thinking more like a Vegas bookey?
 
Why wouldn't a close call impact the numbers? Or am I thinking more like a Vegas bookey?
Scoring margin is part of the algorithm, yes. Perhaps I misread your post? It sounded like you were surprised at Massey’s decision about how the close call would affect the ranking. The algorithm makes no judgement about whether a close call is impressive or surprising; it just rolls the number into the calculation
 
Massey expects UConn to be 30-1 before the Big East Tourney. South Carolina is next lowest in the EL (Expected Losses) with 2, making them 28-3, but Texas (#2 ranking by Massey, AP, etc.) is expected to be 27-4, even though they already beat UCLA & USC.

More data, better results for any algorithm 😎🔥🔥🔥😎

Go Huskies!!!
 
. The best portal pickup plays for the Huskies.

Since when does Olivia Miles play for UConn?

Not sure I'd put either of UConn's transfers in the top 5 or even 10, based on what we've seen so far (and theres no shame in that).
 
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You are very brave to post this!!!
Have to agree that its the end of the year that really matters, but this is one of the more interesting polls since it gives alot of additional info regarding each team. As an example, UCLA is one of the more balanced teams, ranking 9 for offense and 6 for defense. On the other hand, Oklahoma is ranked #3 in offense but 56 in defense. Tracking these throughout the year gives a good projection regarding which teams are on their way up or down and how we and other teams match up.
 
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