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UConnDan97 said:
I can't even imagine a scenario where Kentucky leaves the comfort of the SEC for the ACC, but if this ever happened, that would be the greatest basketball conference in the history of the NCAA (even greater than the Big East at its height, which is really saying something)...
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What the hell - invite Kansas too! They would probably accept - seriously.
 
Maybe the basketball nirvana happens after FSU and clemson leave too. Might as well add Kansas then. And as long as we're throwing crap at the wall, Indiana.
 
brasssbonanzaa said:
What may give us a leg up is that the B1G is making a play at NYC with RU, adding us to the ACC gives them a player in that market, where a semi-member ND is all they have, and they just lost their main player in DC/Baltimore. UofL, while a better football program, brings little TV-wise.
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While Louisville isn't big - it was the highest rated market for college basketball ratings last year. And has been at or near the top for the last decade.
 
I'm certainly not saying it's a possibility, but if a school were to willfully leave the SEC itd be UKY because they're a bball first school and undoubtedly would rather be in a basketball conference with these powerhouses than stuck playing Texas A&M, Mississippi, Miss St, Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee, Georgia, and South Carolina every year.
 
brasssbonanzaa said:
I'm certainly not saying it's a possibility, but if a school were to willfully leave the SEC itd be UKY because they're a bball first school and undoubtedly would rather be in a basketball conference with these powerhouses than stuck playing Texas A&M, Mississippi, Miss St, Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee, Georgia, and South Carolina every year.
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While that is true - it doesn't do their basketball program any good to join a conference where schools care about basketball. It only makes it more difficult to dominate, get a one seed and play as close to home as possible in the tournament. All while giving up millions of dollars.
 
whaler11 said:
While Louisville isn't big - it was the highest rated market for college basketball ratings last year. And has been at or near the top for the last decade.
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The problem is, a high rating in Louisville is only a percentage of people who watched that live in Louisville, so it's based on total population. The NYC DMA dwarfs Louisville, so comparing ratings per city is not an even comparison by any means.
 
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brasssbonanzaa said:
The problem is, a high rating in Louisville is only a percentage of people who watched that live in Louisville, so it's based on total population. The NYC DMA dwarfs Louisville, so comparing ratings per city is not an even comparison by any means.
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Yes, I know how it works - but 6% of something is better than 0% of something huge.

I don't see how Louisville doesn't end up in the Big 12 - but I've been waiting for that shoe to drop for months.
 
whaler11 said:
Yes, I know how it works - but 6% of something is better than 0% of something huge.

I don't see how Louisville doesn't end up in the Big 12 - but I've been waiting for that shoe to drop for months.
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2% of the NYC DMA is 50% of the population of the city of Louisville.
 
brasssbonanzaa said:
2% of the NYC DMA is 50% of the population of the city of Louisville.
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What does NYC have to do with anything though? Is the University of New York City making a conference change? If someone could drive NYC ratings they would have already had their check written.
 
I love these nights when the air raid siren goes off and we all huddle in the shelter. Ready the signal flares.
 
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nomar said:
And Florida State and NC State are Ivy League caliber?

Is that really it? Good, if so.
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NC State isn't far behind us in terms of academic reputation. FSU is a bit further back but still a legitimate tier school. The ACC would never add a tier 3 school. WVU was very intriguing to the ACC and a slighter higher rated school than UL with far better research and a number of Rhodes Scholars to their credit and they weren't viewd as ACC material due to academics.

The thing is, for the ACC (unless they are willing to look at Tulane) we are the only realistic candidate. This could be a double edged sword as we'll only be considered if we are needed to give them an even number of football schools. Our nightmare scenario has the ACC also losing their other member who voted against the $50mm exit fee. If realignment brings the ACC back to twelve we are screwed.
 
junglehusky said:
Maybe the basketball nirvana happens after FSU and clemson leave too. Might as well add Kansas then. And as long as we're throwing crap at the wall, Indiana.
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If Maryland leaves, then FSU and Clemson will be leaving.

ACC will have 3 spots to fill.
 
mavblues said:
If Maryland leaves, then FSU and Clemson will be leaving.

ACC will have 3 spots to fill.
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This is my belief as well. If the Big 12 is forced to expand they are going to go after blue chip targets like this and Maryland leaving for a bigger payday is going grease the skids for FSU and Clemson. Then UCONN, Louisville and either UCF, USF, Temple, or Cincy will be on their way to the ACC.
 
FfldCntyFan said:
Georgia Tech & Tulane.
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You forgot the University of the South. I guess I meant the modern-day SEC. It's been a half-century since anyone has defected.
 
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nomar said:
You forgot the University of the South. I guess I meant the modern-day SEC.
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GT & Tulane were both within my lifetime.
 
FfldCntyFan said:
GT & Tulane were both within my lifetime.
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Technically, I was wrong. 50 years ago, 3 teams left. My point still stands. The SEC hasn't lost a member since 1966.
 
*How* Maryland exits is critical in determining the extent of the ACC exodus.

If Maryland successfully challenges and reduces the exit fee, then, indeed, I would see :
Florida State, Clemson to Big XII (soon, certainty)
Virginia, North Carolina to B1G (eventually)
Virginia Tech, North Carolina State to SEC (eventually, in tandem with above)
Georgia Tech, Miami to Big XII (possibly)

If Maryland simply uses Under Armour money to pay $50M exit fee in full, then I would see:
No more defections from ACC in near term.
 
There's good news and bad news.

The good news? A spot will soon open up for us in the ACC.

The bad news? The ACC will be composed of Wake Forest, Duke, Boston College, and us.
 
clmssun said:
*How* Maryland exits is critical in determining the extent of the ACC exodus.

If Maryland successfully challenges and reduces the exit fee, then, indeed, I would see :
Florida State, Clemson to Big XII (soon, certainty)
Virginia, North Carolina to B1G (eventually)
Virginia Tech, North Carolina State to SEC (eventually, in tandem with above)
Georgia Tech, Miami to Big XII (possibly)

If Maryland simply uses Under Armour money to pay $50M exit fee in full, then I would see:
No more defections from ACC in near term.
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My non-legal, non-expert, poorly educated guess is : no way in hell $50 mil changes hands. I'd be shocked if it was half that, actually.
 
clmssun said:
*How* Maryland exits is critical in determining the extent of the ACC exodus.

If Maryland successfully challenges and reduces the exit fee, then, indeed, I would see :
Florida State, Clemson to Big XII (soon, certainty)
Virginia, North Carolina to B1G (eventually)
Virginia Tech, North Carolina State to SEC (eventually, in tandem with above)
Georgia Tech, Miami to Big XII (possibly)

If Maryland simply uses Under Armour money to pay $50M exit fee in full, then I would see:
No more defections from ACC in near term.
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I'm not sure that a school that voted in favor of the increase would have much of a case in challenging it. FSU and Maryland (by voting against it) are in far different shoes than any other ACC school.
 
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nomar said:
You forgot the University of the South. I guess I meant the modern-day SEC. It's been a half-century since anyone has defected.
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I mentioned all three. Did my post go missing?
 
Good lord can we atleast get into the ACC first before it falls apart. Doesn't the mass chaos surrounding us in the BE suffice without having to look into the future and think of more doomsday?
 
Butch said:
I mentioned all three. Did my post go missing?
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No, I missed your post! It seems you missed my point, though, so we're even.
 
Great post, same thinking. I would suspect ACC is firm with fee given they don't want to set a precedence. So would suspect Maryland-Plank have already worked this out via some sort of expanded marketing/licensing arrangement.

clmssun said:
*How* Maryland exits is critical in determining the extent of the ACC exodus.

If Maryland successfully challenges and reduces the exit fee, then, indeed, I would see :
Florida State, Clemson to Big XII (soon, certainty)
Virginia, North Carolina to B1G (eventually)
Virginia Tech, North Carolina State to SEC (eventually, in tandem with above)
Georgia Tech, Miami to Big XII (possibly)

If Maryland simply uses Under Armour money to pay $50M exit fee in full, then I would see:
No more defections from ACC in near term.
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FfldCntyFan said:
I'm not sure that a school that voted in favor of the increase would have much of a case in challenging it. FSU and Maryland (by voting against it) are in far different shoes than any other ACC school.
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You raise a good point there.

Of course a similar precedent is right with WVU and the Big East. WVU orchestrated the 27-month rule, yet was the first to challenge it -- and beat it -- by paying more money. Now, I don't think anyone in the Big East is concerned about the 27-month rule, but they know they owe more than the "standard" exit fee.

(However, when you are challenging a fee to reduce a fee -- and if you voted for it -- I am not sure how that would go. Time for the lawyers to chime in.)
 
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