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Well what do you know? HFD was right we did turn down the ACC.
 
Will all the ACC fans use GDF's line when this is settled...."TV-ESPN - is the one who told us what to do."

This thing will be resolved in 6 months. No way ESPN is going to allow the ACC to drag its feet and allow UMD to depose anyone there. Whether illegal or not, I think ESPN has secrets in this CR saga that they do not want exposed.

Didn't the ACC withhold 20 something million of UMD's tv revenue this season?

I am calling a mutual walk away with ACC holding on to those funds within 6 months.
 
But I don't like this at all for obvious reasons:
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It is bad for Connecticut, if this issue is decided in Maryland's favor, although maybe not since the Big East's withholding was pursuant to a settlement agreement and in lieu of exit fees.
 
zls44 said:
If their entire basis of collusion claim is Mean gene's quote...that's not gonna do it.
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As I've said for years, that quote itself is admissable as an admission against interest and gets you past summary judgment. What you can get a jury to believe at trial, who knows. Who ever knows.
 
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businesslawyer said:
As I've said for years, that quote itself is admissable as an admission against interest and gets you past summary judgment. What you can get a jury to believe at trial, who knows. Who ever knows.
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It is also the door to all sorts of discovery, even if it results in no further evidence. As others have noted, not a door Swofford and ESPN would wish to open.
 
CL82 said:
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It is bad for Connecticut, if this issue is decided in Maryland's favor, although maybe not since the Big East's withholding was pursuant to a settlement agreement and in lieu of exit fees.
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I'm no lawyer, but I think the Big East (er American) is safe since this was negotiated as part of the early exit and those schools retaining the rights to the Big East name, etc.

Either way, I would imagine this won't go to trial and there will be a settlement in 20 minutes (er 6 months).
 
Agree with others, Espn and the Acc know that they can't allow this to get far. It will be settled pretty quickly although I'd love for Maryland to go through with this.
It sickens me that espn is sitting in our backyard as a campus 45 minutes away burns like no other in the CR blaze
 
SAMCRO said:
NW and Penn St are my guess for the 2 B1G targets. We had heard about PSU in the past. NW from a smaill private school pov that fits with other ACC schools and gets them a local team for ND to play in all other sports (no way they're getting OSU, UM, MSU to come, and no way would their targets be IU, PU, UI or anyother B1G schools this side of the Mississippi.
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Definitely Penn St, and thus explains the B1Gs move to add MD and RU to shore up its eastern flank.
ND surely has interest in Chicago, and I could see the ACC as well, thus making NW seem like a distinct possibility. I can't see any other school being viable.
 
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btstimpy said:
All three negotiated with the Big East to pay more money to the Big East to shorten the 27 months. The ACC isn't actually asking Maryland to pay more than the bylaws state. Maryland didn't try to leave early.

Now I think Rutgers is suing the AAC to pay less than is specified in the AAC bylaws. Louisville has already negotiated their exit, but I think Rutgers is trying to get out of their obligations to the AAC. I haven't looked at that lawsuit in a while.
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What I'm saying is that even in a contract, all things are negotiable. The Big East negotiated with the three leaving schools because there was no way WVU was going to honor its contract. Just as there is no way Maryland is going to end up paying the full exit fee.

We screamed 'til we were blue in the face, "but the contract clearly states...!" just like you are. In the end, it didn't matter then and it wont now. Right or wrong, Maryland will get out for much less.
 
Husky92 said:
What I'm saying is that even in a contract, all things are negotiable. The Big East negotiated with the three leaving schools because there was no way WVU was going to honor its contract. Just as there is no way Maryland is going to end up paying the full exit fee.

We screamed 'til we were blue in the face, "but the contract clearly states...!" just like you are. In the end, it didn't matter then and it wont now. Right or wrong, Maryland will get out for much less.
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Yes. I think $25 million is the number.
 
1) I don't see any reason why ESPN would be nervous. Advising a business partner is hardly the stuff of scandal and it's not like anyone is going to turn down their money because they once advised poaching of their membership. Hell, they actually engineered the destruction of our conference and here we are.

2) My guess is Indiana and Penn State. They had to aim low and those two make the most sense - Purdue and Northwestern are my two darkhorses.

3) I don't see this as evidence of the ACC wanting to go to 16 - it looks more like a reactionary move in the moment. If anything, it's pretty clear that the ACC operates on something other than clear, cold logic.
 
zls44 said:
Which was always my point on this. There's a difference between consulting on a revenue question and scheming behind the scenes to destroy something while simultaneously offering it a billion dollars.
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That goes out the window when ESPN was advising the ACC to add Big East schools...while it still had a contract with the Big East.

Not sure why you continue to overlook this point.
 
Stinger92860 said:
True, but it will be interesting to see what surfaces in discovery.
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If it were 1998, I would quip, "I can hear the shredders working overtime in Bristol from here.", but in 2014, I'm not sure what the equivalent is....."I can hear the mainframes buzzing from scanning emails?"

Depending how things shake out with the ESPN ordained Power 5 conferences, and their relationship with the rest of the NCAA - which is happening right now as each day passes in real time - I think that ESPN execs eventually are going to end up having some 'splaining to do in front of federal judge someday.
 
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Fishy said:
1) I don't see any reason why ESPN would be nervous. Advising a business partner is hardly the stuff of scandal and it's not like anyone is going to turn down their money because they once advised poaching of their membership. Hell, they actually engineered the destruction of our conference and here we are.

2) My guess is Indiana and Penn State. They had to aim low and those two make the most sense - Purdue and Northwestern are my two darkhorses.

3) I don't see this as evidence of the ACC wanting to go to 16 - it looks more like a reactionary move in the moment. If anything, it's pretty clear that the ACC operates on something other than clear, cold logic.
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Agree with 1 and 2.
Point 3, I think it was a matter of the ACC being reactionary, yes - also trying to ruffle some of Delany's feathers. But I think the ACC was the first to 14 and wants to be the first to 16 (or 15 w/ the 3 pods in football).
 
UConn Dan said:
I'm no lawyer, but I think the Big East (er American) is safe since this was negotiated as part of the early exit and those schools retaining the rights to the Big East name, etc.

Either way, I would imagine this won't go to trial and there will be a settlement in 20 minutes (er 6 months).
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Agree Dan.
 
The three-pod concept is insane - I have to imagine it was invented here.

The biggest roadblock right now to a 16-team ACC is Notre Dame.

They won't go to 15 and I just don't see them adding two more teams without one of them being Notre Dame.

There's just no one to add outside of UConn. (Does anyone actually think Cincinnati will ever have a chance of going to the ACC?)
 
Fishy said:
1) I don't see any reason why ESPN would be nervous. Advising a business partner is hardly the stuff of scandal and it's not like anyone is going to turn down their money because they once advised poaching of their membership. Hell, they actually engineered the destruction of our conference and here we are.
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If emails, memos and the like show that they knowingly funded the destruction of the Big East the ramifications would be huge. The narrative would be that of a heartless corporation sticking it's defiling the vestigial virgin that is college sports. Think Congressional hearings, anti trust suits and the like. It would be the perfect narrative for every politico to spout off on. They should be concerned. I suspect that they will 'advise their partners' to make the whole thing go away.

Well played by Maryland.
 
On Cincinnati to the acc, yes i can see it. You probably thought the same about Louisville. They have Ann aggressive ad, in the mold of jurrich or luck. That seems to matter..
 
Fishy said:
The three-pod concept is insane - I have to imagine it was invented here.

The biggest roadblock right now to a 16-team ACC is Notre Dame.

They won't go to 15 and I just don't see them adding two more teams without one of them being Notre Dame.

There's just no one to add outside of UConn. (Does anyone actually think Cincinnati will ever have a chance of going to the ACC?)
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I agree that the ACC is staying put, but I disagree that UConn is the only choice out there. I think Cincy would get in to the ACC at this point. You can't put the "academic" toothpaste back in the tube with the ACC's Louisville addition. They squirted that stuff all over the mirror, the toilet seat and put some on Duke's toilet paper just to be a [fill in word that would be filtered]. Add in the fact that we are just loathed and I think USF/UCF, Memphis, Appalachian State, UNH, William and Mary and a few others have a better chance of getting in to the ACC than us (only a slight exaggeration). I think we'd have to see a mass exodus from the ACC to get a call. I truly feel that if ND agrees to become a football member, Cincinnati gets the call over us.
 
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Chuck said:
I agree that the ACC is staying put, but I disagree that UConn is the only choice out there. I think Cincy would get in to the ACC at this point. You can't put the "academic" toothpaste back in the tube with the ACC's Louisville addition. They squirted that stuff all over the mirror, the toilet seat and put some on Duke's toilet paper just because to be a [fill in word that would be filtered]. Add in the fact that we are just loathed and I think USF/UCF, Memphis, Appalachian State, UNH, William and Mary and a few others have a better chance of getting in to the ACC than us (only a slight exaggeration). I think we'd have to see a mass exodus from the ACC to get a call. I truly feel that if ND agrees to become a football member, Cincinnati gets the call over us.
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Ugh. That is sad. I think I'll go to bed now.
 
Fishy said:
The three-pod concept is insane - I have to imagine it was invented here. The biggest roadblock right now to a 16-team ACC is Notre Dame. They won't go to 15 and I just don't see them adding two more teams without one of them being Notre Dame. There's just no one to add outside of UConn. (Does anyone actually think Cincinnati will ever have a chance of going to the ACC?)
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Insane or not is immaterial. I'm for anything that will get UConn out of this sh!thole.
I agree Cinci has no shot but I do think we are desirable and the Swoff knows this and wants to snag us for 15 so when ND iOS ready we aren't already in the B1G. Maybe I'm crazy. I just don't see any other way out
 
UConn990411 said:
That goes out the window when ESPN was advising the ACC to add Big East schools...while it still had a contract with the Big East.

Not sure why you continue to overlook this point.
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If the ACC goes to ESPN "we are considering adding schools X and Y, what are their valuations in your opinion", and ESPN responds with the dollar figure...that isn't saying "ADD THESE TEAMS AND SCREW UP OUR OTHER CONTRACT!"

It's answering the question that's asked. Maybe the Big East should have asked if the ACC was mentioning any of their teams to ESPN.
 
zls44 said:
If the ACC goes to ESPN "we are considering adding schools X and Y, what are their valuations in your opinion", and ESPN responds with the dollar figure...that isn't saying "ADD THESE TEAMS AND SCREW UP OUR OTHER CONTRACT!"

It's answering the question that's asked. Maybe the Big East should have asked if the ACC was mentioning any of their teams to ESPN.
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I didn't realize the ACC contracted ESPN to be its consultant on conference realignment.
 
zls44 said:
If the ACC goes to ESPN "we are considering adding schools X and Y, what are their valuations in your opinion", and ESPN responds with the dollar figure...that isn't saying "ADD THESE TEAMS AND SCREW UP OUR OTHER CONTRACT!"

It's answering the question that's asked. Maybe the Big East should have asked if the ACC was mentioning any of their teams to ESPN.
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And you know they didn't, and weren't lied to? Just saying.
 
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