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HuskyHawk said:
Which, by the way, is exactly the problem we face. Clingan couldn't handle Gold last year.

I'm more interested in the steals. Purdue is going to be ready for the overplay on the passing lanes, and that aggressiveness does open lanes to the rim. It's a risky, gambling defense.
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We have Samson and they don’t!
 
HuskyHawk said:
I mean, it's absolutely silly in that we really, really wanted Timberlake. Did we talk to Cam before he hit the Portal? My guess: Yes. I don't think he even leaves Rutgers otherwise. So maybe true, but highly misleading.
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I'm not so sure about that. Was there any previous relationship between someone on the UConn coaching staff and Spencer? I don't know of any. Murray maybe? Don't think Spencer looked at UConn before when he transferred to Rutgers. So do you think the UConn coaches were looking all around the country at who was a good fit and pinpointed Spencer and reached out to him? Seems kind of far fetched unless they had some previous relationship.
 
HooperScooper said:
I'm not so sure about that. Was there any previous relationship between someone on the UConn coaching staff and Spencer? I don't know of any. Murray maybe? Don't think Spencer looked at UConn before when he transferred to Rutgers. So do you think the UConn coaches were looking all around the country at who was a good fit and pinpointed Spencer and reached out to him? Seems kind of far fetched unless they had some previous relationship.
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I'm not saying we initiated it. I'm simply saying a discussion likely occurred. Some kids know they have no role or will find a take at a higher level, and enter the portal. Timberlake for example. Newton too. Some kids are already pretty well set and will enter the portal for a better situation. But they aren't going into the portal until they know that better situation is pretty solid and agreed. Spencer is the latter.
 
Fan1978 said:
Most kids lknow where they are going before they hit the portal. I assume Spencer picked uconn. It was no secret uconn needed a shooter
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Plus the Pikeil connection. He still bleeds blue, I mean I remember when he was playing with such a bad shoulder he shot his free throws left handed.
 
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Austin316 said:
Smart gets it. Shot selection is key in being a great team. Kansas wasted so many baseline shots and turned the ball over a bunch.

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You only see a shot chart like Marquette’s when the other team is playing poor interior defense. It should be easy to defend a team that is only shooting 3’s and layups/dunks, unless your center doesn’t care about defense.
 
Not that we didn't already know this....

But should Kansas fans be concerned? In short: Yes.

There are two glaring issues with Kansas at this point in the season. First and foremost, the Jayhawks lack shooting. Secondly, there is a shortage of depth.

247sports.com

Daily Dish: Marquette exposes Kansas' glaring issues

The top-ranked Kansas Jayhawks fell to the No. 4 Marquette Golden Eagles by a score of 59-73 on Tuesday night.
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HuskyHawk said:
I'm not saying we initiated it. I'm simply saying a discussion likely occurred. Some kids know they have no role or will find a take at a higher level, and enter the portal. Timberlake for example. Newton too. Some kids are already pretty well set and will enter the portal for a better situation. But they aren't going into the portal until they know that better situation is pretty solid and agreed. Spencer is the latter.
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O.K. that could definitely be the case. Is it tampering if the player reached out to a school before entering the portal?
 
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Palatine said:
Got this from a Kansas board.

Posted on 20 hrs, , User Since 8 months ago, User Post Count: 41



No. UConn Tampered with spencer and committed to UConn before he even hit the portal.
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From what I remember, Georgetown was considered the early favorite for Spencer. In fact, Cooley was accused of tampering on Twitter (I know, I know, Twitter noise doesn’t mean a thing). Still, even the infamous Trilly Donovan suggested the Hoyas led initially. He probably knows more than a random Kansas message board poster.

 
ToolzieFan said:
From what I remember, Georgetown was considered the early favorite for Spencer. In fact, Cooley was accused of tampering on Twitter (I know, I know, Twitter noise doesn’t mean a thing). Still, even the infamous Trilly Donovan suggested the Hoyas led initially. He probably knows more than a random Kansas message board poster.

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Counterpoint: There is a Twitter user named “Cushy Spike” who seems to tweet exclusively about Cam Spencer, and Cushy suggests Georgetown was never the leader. Sometimes I love Twitter as much as this place. In conclusion, I can’t wait for 12/1.

 
mauconnfan said:
Yeah huh. Big boy loves to instigate then fall down and whine to the stripes. Dislike him.
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He plays for my #2 team and I don’t like him. That was a South American soccer player move.
 
ToolzieFan said:
From what I remember, Georgetown was considered the early favorite for Spencer. In fact, Cooley was accused of tampering on Twitter (I know, I know, Twitter noise doesn’t mean a thing). Still, even the infamous Trilly Donovan suggested the Hoyas led initially. He probably knows more than a random Kansas message board poster.

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Cooley tampering. Say it ain’t so. He has tried to snake players during handshake lines so not surprising.
 
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Palatine said:
Got this from a Kansas board.

Posted on 20 hrs, , User Since 8 months ago, User Post Count: 41



No. UConn Tampered with spencer and committed to UConn before he even hit the portal.
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No comments about how nefarious it was for UConn to set up Kansas by using Timberlake as a decoy?

Were they blindsided and in shock, unwilling to admit their admiration for such a maneuver, or just angry?
 
HooperScooper said:
I'm not so sure about that. Was there any previous relationship between someone on the UConn coaching staff and Spencer? I don't know of any. Murray maybe? Don't think Spencer looked at UConn before when he transferred to Rutgers. So do you think the UConn coaches were looking all around the country at who was a good fit and pinpointed Spencer and reached out to him? Seems kind of far fetched unless they had some previous relationship.
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Rutgers is uconn’s aaa farm team, where have you been. Their marketing pitch claims association with uconn’s championships
 
nelsonmuntz said:
You only see a shot chart like Marquette’s when the other team is playing poor interior defense. It should be easy to defend a team that is only shooting 3’s and layups/dunks, unless your center doesn’t care about defense.
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Am I missing something here? UConn basically only shoots 3s and in the paint, pretty sure these are considered the only good shots in basketball anymore. Last I checked we aren’t easy to defend.
 
Icehawk said:
Am I missing something here? UConn basically only shoots 3s and in the paint, pretty sure these are considered the only good shots in basketball anymore. Last I checked we aren’t easy to defend.
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Am I missing something here? Hurley talks about running shooters off the 3 point line and protecting the rim all the time. Are you saying that Hurley is wrong to focus defensively on those two points of the floor?

(drive by posts like yours are the worst part of this board)
 
Question for basketball geniuses like @Icehawk . If every offense is trying to get more threes or get to the basket, do you think that those same coaches running those offenses have thought about defending those same parts of the floor? Or do those same coaches somehow forget that every offense is trying to get more open 3's or layups when coaching defense?
 
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nelsonmuntz said:
Am I missing something here? Hurley talks about running shooters off the 3 point line and protecting the rim all the time. Are you saying that Hurley is wrong to focus defensively on those two points of the floor?

(drive by posts like yours are the worst part of this board)
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OK, not trying to argue here, but im confused.
We are basically the top "3's and layups" team in the country for the last 2 seasons.
Hurley's entire defense is running teams off the 3 point line to force long 2's (while protecting the rim).

Is this what you're saying as well ?
 
ibleedhuskyblue said:
OK, not trying to argue here, but im confused.
We are basically the top "3's and layups" team in the country for the last 2 seasons.
Hurley's entire defense is running teams off the 3 point line to force long 2's (while protecting the rim).

Is this what you're saying as well ?
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Everyone’s defense is trying to get teams off the 3 point line. If a team is only taking 3’s and layups, it means the other team was either overmatched or not trying defensively ( the point I was making about Kansas).
 
nelsonmuntz said:
Everyone’s defense is trying to get teams off the 3 point line. If a team is only taking 3’s and layups, it means the other team was either overmatched or not trying defensively ( the point I was making about Kansas).
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Im not sure you're looking for a response here, but yes, that sounds right. It's likely a combination of defensive effort, and the complexity of the offense you're facing. Good offense seems to beat good defense.
This is what made our offense so lethal last season. Everyone knew we were all layups and 3's, and we got them anyways. Part of the reason is that college defense can be very hit or miss (either effort issues, or rotation issues), and the other part is that our offense is hard to stop because of player and ball movement.
 
Hans Sprungfeld said:
No comments about how nefarious it was for UConn to set up Kansas by using Timberlake as a decoy?

Were they blindsided and in shock, unwilling to admit their admiration for such a maneuver, or just angry?
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Someone needs to tell that guy that fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life.
 
All the Big East admiration and Creighton has 29 points under 12 against Colorado state, looks like they’ve never played basketball before.
 
ibleedhuskyblue said:
Im not sure you're looking for a response here, but yes, that sounds right. It's likely a combination of defensive effort, and the complexity of the offense you're facing. Good offense seems to beat good defense.
This is what made our offense so lethal last season. Everyone knew we were all layups and 3's, and we got them anyways. Part of the reason is that college defense can be very hit or miss (either effort issues, or rotation issues), and the other part is that our offense is hard to stop because of player and ball movement.
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I would argue UConn’s defense was the main differential last year. History shows the winners come from a group that is top 20 in defense and offense. Uconn was one of roughly 6 teams that fit the criteria. Perhaps this is the reason Purdue usually exits early. Anyone can have a bad shooting game. Good defense is there every game because its 90 percent effort. This years team might have both if the freshman can improve defensively. Castle is an obvious exception
 
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