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March General CBB Discussion Thread

This is hilarious. RuffRuff has gone from Purdue being the best team in the country to Michigan being an all-time team to Arizona being the best team in the country back to Michigan being the best team in the country and now Duke being an all-time team where he laughs at the suggestion that '99 Duke was better than them.
 
BFieldHusky said:
Even for you this is dumb. What about Battier guarding Boozer?
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Battier as a freshman guarding this Carlos Boozer, who would have 30-40lbs on him?

Does anyone realize how big this Duke team is:

PN - 6'11"
CB - 6'9"
DS - 6'8"
IE - 6"6"
CF - 6'5"

MB coming off the bench at 6'9"

That Duke team:

EB - 6'8"
SB - 6'8"
CC - 6'6"
TJ - 6'3"
WA - 6'2"

99 Duke and TJ wouldn't have gotten a shot off, and they could have manned up Brand. So then what? Battier wasn't much of a scorer at the time, Carawell was basically a role player. It's not like they had a bunch of creators on the floor, as Langdon wasn't much more than a spot up shooter.
 
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The passion and NEED to have a smoking hot take about every thread topic is fascinating to me
 
Mr. French said:
The passion and NEED to have a smoking hot take about every thread topic is fascinating to me
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These threads are fairly boring otherwise. I saw 10 pages about the meaninglessness of Miami (OH) deserving an at large.

Nothing boring seeing how teams of different eras would match up. Many like to crown it as anti-Uconn, yet I'm the first to adorn 2024 UConn as the most perfectly built roster in the modern era.

What about 1999 Duke was special? A 6'8" low post guy that was basically shut down by a very average Jake Voskuhl? There are a 100 Trajan Langdon's across the US these days. That team was vastly overrated, especially when you compare them against the current athlete/game.
 
Mr. French said:
The passion and NEED to have a smoking hot take about every thread topic is fascinating to me
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Basketball players are way better today than they were 30 years ago. Coaching is way better. Scouting is better. Shot selection is 10x better. Strategy has advanced.

We make these stats relative to the year they're in as a comparison for a reason.
 
superjohn said:
You're here too, car crashes are hard to look away from.
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You're right, I'm just trying to imagine the thought process that gets you to "1999-era Shane Battier was a scrub compared to present-day Duke"

OK? Sure?
 
auror said:
Basketball players are way better today than they were 30 years ago. Coaching is way better. Scouting is better. Shot selection is 10x better. Strategy has advanced.

We make these stats relative to the year they're in as a comparison for a reason.
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Finally, someone who knows what they're talking about without an impulse reflex.

Would love anyone who thinks otherwise to tell me exactly what about that 1999 Duke team would give them a fighting chance against a top team of today's game. Trajan Langdon is an average Joe in today's world, and he was something novel back then. Cam Spencer was a better college player.
 
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RuffRuff said:
Finally, someone who knows what they're talking about without an impulse reflex.

Would love anyone who thinks otherwise to tell me exactly what about that 1999 Duke team would give them a fighting chance against a top team of today's game. Trajan Langdon is an average Joe in today's world, and he was something novel back then. Cam Spencer was a better college player.
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That wasn't the argument I was making, but you do you.

The argument I was making was pretty simple and straightforward - the '99 Dukies were their best team ever in terms of metrics and competition against all other '99 teams. They didn't win a title.

There's no reason to expect that the '26 Dukies should just be given the title now.
 
storrsroars said:
That wasn't the argument I was making, but you do you.

The argument I was making was pretty simple and straightforward - the '99 Dukies were their best team ever in terms of metrics and competition against all other '99 teams. They didn't win a title.

There's no reason to expect that the '26 Dukies should just be given the title now.
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It wasn't you who I was referring to. You're always a great take. You're right about this year's Duke, anything can happen in a one game format. And the top of the field this year is good.
 
RuffRuff said:
These threads are fairly boring otherwise. I saw 10 pages about the meaninglessness of Miami (OH) deserving an at large.

Nothing boring seeing how teams of different eras would match up. Many like to crown it as anti-Uconn, yet I'm the first to adorn 2024 UConn as the most perfectly built roster in the modern era.

What about 1999 Duke was special? A 6'8" low post guy that was basically shut down by a very average Jake Voskuhl? There are a 100 Trajan Langdon's across the US these days. That team was vastly overrated, especially when you compare them against the current athlete/game.
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But…have an earnest discussion. Stop just spouting wild opinions about every topic. You get a lot of grief cuz that’s not actually interesting. People like genuine basketball discussion not First Take.
 
Mr. French said:
But…have an earnest discussion. Stop just spouting wild opinions about every topic. You get a lot of grief cuz that’s not actually interesting. People like genuine basketball discussion not First Take.
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Then it's easy to ignore, like I ignored the Miami thread, which will have no relevancy much longer. I find the KP swings, era comparisons interesting - to each their own on content.
 
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RuffRuff said:
Then it's easy to ignore, like I ignored the Miami thread, which will have no relevancy much longer. I find the KP swings, era comparisons interesting - to each their own on content.
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Sure, but that’s why you rub people wrong.

The Miami discussion wasn’t some weird speculative opinion, it was a genuine topical discussion pertinent to now.

Having a different super flaming opinion 25x a day is not as interesting as you think.

Then you get mad when you get called out on your bad takes.
 
RuffRuff said:
Show me a mock where he's even close to the first round. He's not going to the NBA unless he's willing to be a late second rounder this year.

He would command a pretty penny in the portal, but I doubt he's

Reibe is a catch 22 - if he's not starting, I'd wonder if he's staying. I'd have to think he's a shoe in to start.

There is no way both Ross & Stew are starting, not a chance. At least not if they want an NC winning roster. I can see Ross in there if enough players around him.

As of right now, I think we can pencil in Reibe, Solo & Silas as starters. The 4 recruitment will be significant. I'd love a strong, athletic 4 with ability to score near the rim. Would then love a strong shooting on ball 3 that can make the open 3 and find space off the dribble.

Not going to speculate yet on if our bench is staying/going.
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Not a speculation at all - Silas tested the NBA and clearly came back to work on things. He is a top defender and disher and can hit from 3. Mocks are fodder for discussion but eye test is there.
 
BFieldHusky said:
Nothing about this on ESPN where Lundari post these things. Sigh. Once again posting stupid things. You never learn.
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Not to mention that even if he did say it, Lunardi sucks at Bracketology.
 
Mr. French said:
Sure, but that’s why you rub people wrong.

The Miami discussion wasn’t some weird speculative opinion, it was a genuine topical discussion pertinent to now.

Having a different super flaming opinion 25x a day is not as interesting as you think.

Then you get mad when you get called out on your bad takes.
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Yet easily ignoreable. Not sure why comparing 2026 to 1999 is so inflammatory.
 
RuffRuff said:
Yet easily ignoreable. Not sure why comparing 2026 to 1999 is so inflammatory.
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Cmon This is your go to defense. “Even if I’m being annoying just ignore me” but It’s not easily ignorable when you post 50x/day.
 
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superjohn said:
It's not in the least bit harsh. Furphy isn't in the same ballpark as Mullins as a talent. That's not a knock on Furphy. There's no way both Ross and Stewart can be starting if we have any aspirations of being a title contending team next season. Reibe is a guaranteed starter.

Silas has no chance of being drafted first round in this draft unless he does something miraculous in the NCAA tournament.
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Acomments about Furphy from the staff compared him to Cam. They are similar sized, high bbiq. Mullins deadlier from 3 and range with a quicker release but Furphy has 3pt chops. One thing that impressed me with Furphy in U19 was his motor, left hand finish at the rim and dogged defense. Also being from Aussie he gets little benefit from rankings, raters etc. Realistically he is 70% of what Mullins does. But while Mullins is consensus top 20 he avgs 12.1 pts on 45% fg and 38% 3s. 1.3 assist to 1.1 turnovers and 1 steal a game. If you didn’t know the player this would not be top 20. Love the kid but the numbers don’t lie.
 
Mr. French said:
Sure, but that’s why you rub people wrong.

The Miami discussion wasn’t some weird speculative opinion, it was a genuine topical discussion pertinent to now.

Having a different super flaming opinion 25x a day is not as interesting as you think.

Then you get mad when you get called out on your bad takes.
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I have no issue with the Miami thread. I'm all for free speech on this thing.

I'm not mad on being called out, it's just kind of annoying when it's called out without any rationale as to why.
 
RuffRuff said:
These threads are fairly boring otherwise. I saw 10 pages about the meaninglessness of Miami (OH) deserving an at large.

Nothing boring seeing how teams of different eras would match up. Many like to crown it as anti-Uconn, yet I'm the first to adorn 2024 UConn as the most perfectly built roster in the modern era.

What about 1999 Duke was special? A 6'8" low post guy that was basically shut down by a very average Jake Voskuhl? There are a 100 Trajan Langdon's across the US these days. That team was vastly overrated, especially when you compare them against the current athlete/game.
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We rather famously ran big-to-big doubles at Brand (with Freeman) as our core strategy - Voskuhl didn't shut him down alone. Brand averaged 25 and 10 in the NBA at his peak and regularly was over 20 ppg before injuries slowed him down after eight years. I think he'd be ok going up against Ngongba.

Maggette was around 20 ppg regularly in the NBA as well. Battier had a long successful NBA career in his 3-and-D role, and Langdon was a great college player who's athleticism hurt his professional ceiling. Avery underachieved, but was still a lotto pick.

Duke was bigger last year with Maluach, Flagg, Kon and Proctor - yet lost to a small Houston team that had no significant NBA prospects on it. Last year's Duke team was more talented than their 1999 counterparts - but their go-to guys were younger, and the veteran presence they brought in (James, Gillis) didn't provide the stability when the pressure came.
 
navery12 said:
Well for one thing the KenPom ratings are not the intended to be compared across seasons
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Three major things have impacted the ratings this year:
1) The major major concentration of talent at the top due to NIL
2) The death of the high-mid OOC games vs min-maxing by either playing top-10 or garbage opponents, removing chances for top teams to lose credit due to mediocre performances against good, but not great, teams
3) continuation increasing average scoring output not due to quality of players, but just change in rules.

I'm sure these teams are really good, but it's statistically unlikely that we have THAT much of a natural abberation.
 
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