March General CBB Discussion Thread

[auror]

No way on MSU. Not a chance. If Florida runs it, beats 4 tourney teams, they'll make it close. Yet ultimately all will likely happen is we swap the 1 & 2 in the same region.

MSU is 5th in WAB right now (we're 4th), after winning back to back top 50 road games, and obviously has that almost full 1.0 WAB opportunity at Michigan to close the season. Plenty of opps in the B1G tournament as well. Their predictive metrics are around ours.

But yeah they have to win at Michigan, which seems pretty unlikely.

 

[RuffRuff]

AZ's 3 is pretty meh tonight. Would seem they could have used a true shooter there, ala Mullins to balance that lineup. Of the top 3 teams, AZ is the team I feel like we'd match up best with.

 

[aceboon]

I know a few DJs that would have taken the matter into their own hands no matter the setting or Steele's status...

 

[gsmooth]

I know a few DJs that would have taken the matter into their own hands no matter the setting or Steele's status...

Me too, LOL. The DJs I know that would have taken matters into their own hands in the way you meant it are from the Bronx and Hartford.

 

[gsmooth]

Jaden Bradley almost always makes the correct decision whenever I watch him. Is it fair to say he is the best PG in the country?

 

[KingAG]

Jaden Bradley almost always makes the correct decision whenever I watch him. Is it fair to say he is the best PG in the country?

One of

 

[RuffRuff]

Jaden Bradley almost always makes the correct decision whenever I watch him. Is it fair to say he is the best PG in the country?

There are a lot of very good PG's this year, so yeah. Wagler, Acuff, Brown,Demary, Smith, Fears, Philon, Flemming.

He is smooth, and mature and an advantage as a senior on that young team. Peat, strong athlete, but a bit clunky out there. His best game was against Florida, and I'm not sure we've seen that player since. Looks more like a tight end.

 

[aceboon]

There are a lot of very good PG's this year, so yeah. Wagler, Acuff, Brown,Demary, Smith, Fears, Philon, Flemming.

He is smooth, and mature and an advantage as a senior on that young team. Peat, strong athlete, but a bit clunky out there. His best game was against Florida, and I'm not sure we've seen that player since. Looks more like a tight end.

His fit at the next level will be interesting, we don't really see PFs in his mold anymore

 

[RuffRuff]

His fit at the next level will be interesting, we don't really see PFs in his mold anymore

Honestly not sure if there is a major difference in quality of player in him vs Awaka. They're both physical beasts, but not a ton of basketball skill.

 

[gsmooth]

There are a lot of very good PG's this year, so yeah. Wagler, Acuff, Brown,Demary, Smith, Fears, Philon, Flemming.

He is smooth, and mature and an advantage as a senior on that young team. Peat, strong athlete, but a bit clunky out there. His best game was against Florida, and I'm not sure we've seen that player since. Looks more like a tight end.

Those are some great PGs you listed. I would throw in Boswell from Illinois, too. If I had to pick one, I would go with Bradley.

Peat has locked up Jefferson and that alone increased Arizona's chances of winning many fold considering Jefferson is one of the few offensive threats Iowa State has, a team that starves for offense at times.

 

[Mr. French]

Honestly not sure if there is a major difference in quality of player in him vs Awaka. They're both physical beasts, but not a ton of basketball skill.

Koa Peat doesn’t have a lot of skill?

 

[superjohn]

Koa Peat doesn’t have a lot of skill?

He just says stuff. If he has a huge game in the conference tournament he could say he's the next Barkley.

 

[RuffRuff]

We can officially put ISU as a one to bed. Not even sure if they're even a 2 at this point.

Koa Peat doesn’t have a lot of skill?

Great athlete - when I say skill, I'm talking about finer basketball skills - dribbling, shooting, having a bag. He's more brute force, good defensive player.

 

[RuffRuff]

He just says stuff. If he has a huge game in the conference tournament he could say he's the next Barkley.

Bro, go to bed. Allow a conversation to happen without always intervening childishly. Contructive convo is nice - chasing a poster around calling them out is for toddlers.

 

[navery12]

I disagree slightly. This is how you get the power 4 breaking off and having their ow tournament. There is no way in any justifiable universe that Miami(OH) is more “deserving”than a Seton Hall. The only thing they did was schedule worst opponents and play in the MAC. If what they’re doing is legit, they’ll win their conference tournament. You have to start punishing teams for scheduling that bad.

You are massively underrating how difficult it is to go undefeated, even in a mid major conference. Utah Valley, Yale, Hofstra, Stephen F Austin, McNeese, High Point are all similarly rated teams in similar rated conferences. They all have 4-10 losses and none are undefeated in conference

 

[KingAG]

You are massively underrating how difficult it is to go undefeated, even in a mid major conference. Utah Valley, Yale, Hofstra, Stephen F Austin, McNeese, High Point are all similarly rated teams in similar rated conferences. They all have 4-10 losses and none are undefeated in conference

None scheduled as bad as they did. And none should get an at large bid.

Miami(OH) is not an at large team. There’s no need to reward that scheduling. All they had to do was not schedule Division 2 teams in December. Or move their 360th ranked schedule to top 250-300. If you want an At Large then schedule a team with a pulse in your OOC

 

[CTFAN4LIFE]

It really seems to be like this:

Level 1 in whatever order: Duke/Zona/Michigan

Level 2: UConn/Florida and maybe TX Tech

Level 3: about another 6 teams, none of which are a lock for the elite 8 but could make it

 

[UConNick]

You are massively underrating how difficult it is to go undefeated, even in a mid major conference. Utah Valley, Yale, Hofstra, Stephen F Austin, McNeese, High Point are all similarly rated teams in similar rated conferences. They all have 4-10 losses and none are undefeated in conference

Their WAB is like 32nd in the country. The average bubble teams (like a Seton Hall?) would’ve dropped, on average 2-3 games against their schedule.

Sure, maybe game by game, it’s easy to see on paper that any individual game could be won easily by most P5 schools. But to not trip up once in 29 times? That deserves to be considered, as you argue, and I think WAB illustrates that well.

 

[DRBackup]

Well for one, Miami is different from every other mid major that loses in their conference tournament because they'd be undefeated. And that's a very significant distinction that you continue to underrate the difficulty of regardless of schedule.

And your last paragraph is also wrong, every one of those undefeated regular season teams did not win their conference tournament. It takes 2 minutes of research to figure this out. You continue to show zero awareness about most things college basketball when you make claims like that, followed up by saying there is only pre-NCAA and NCAA tournament, something that has been proven numerous times to not be true of the committee

Not if they lose, they won't be.

 

[DRBackup]

Well for one, Miami is different from every other mid major that loses in their conference tournament because they'd be undefeated. And that's a very significant distinction that you continue to underrate the difficulty of regardless of schedule.

And your last paragraph is also wrong, every one of those undefeated regular season teams did not win their conference tournament. It takes 2 minutes of research to figure this out. You continue to show zero awareness about most things college basketball when you make claims like that, followed up by saying there is only pre-NCAA and NCAA tournament, something that has been proven numerous times to not be true of the committee

Thanks for being a dick. Apreciate the heads up to ignore you. Good lord. I did look it up, I guess whatever source I got to was wrong. But, alas

 

[DRBackup]

Seton Hall is absolutely having a night where they can't make shots and taking an L on the road during a long conference season, you must have only watched SH play UConn. It's a team made up of alot of low/mid-major transfers, they're not like that.

Who do you think makes up the Miami of Ohio roster ??

 

[RuffRuff]

 

[Mr. French]

We can officially put ISU as a one to bed. Not even sure if they're even a 2 at this point.

Great athlete - when I say skill, I'm talking about finer basketball skills - dribbling, shooting, having a bag. He's more brute force, good defensive player.

I dno that he’s a GREAT athlete but he has tons of skill for a 6’8 guy. I just disagree. I’m not sure how you can watch him since frosh year of HS and see a guy with little basketball skill.

 

[Rocktheworld]

Not sure if you read their board, but the discussion about their future coach/AD is incredible. Appears there is real talk they will bring back Mike Hopkins. I guess Melo has some giant NIL package lined up if they bring back Hopkins as the coach. It seems like there is also some power struggle between the Melo camp and some other giant donor, where they want different people for both jobs.

It absolutely has been. I’ve popped over there a few times this season, they're broken right now

We’ll see about their NIL but honestly to me the whole kelp thing is weird. Born in Brooklyn but spent most of his childhood in Baltimore, was rented by Cuse for one year. I get that he won a championship there, but I don’t get the commitment he seems to have to them

 

[businesslawyer]

Not if they lose, they won't be.

You can’t lose more than 1.0 points in the WAB ratings with a single loss, and that would be losing at home to the single worst team in the NCAA. They would still have outperformed the average bubble team. And none of that is an opinion — it’s just understanding the math involved.

 

[ctbro1999]

Seems crystal clear than DOOK, Michigan, and Arizona the top 3 teams heading into March Madness. I think we have a good case for #4, but the top 3 are legit this year. Seems like all the other teams that had legit cases for the last #1 seed either have been losing lately (Houston, Iowa State, Illinois, MSU) or we beat them head to head (Florida). I think we get the last #1 as long as we make the final of the BET. And are a 100% lock if we win out heading into the NCAAT.

 

[CTFAN4LIFE]

Seems crystal clear than DOOK, Michigan, and Arizona the top 3 teams heading into March Madness. I think we have a good case for #4, but the top 3 are legit this year. Seems like all the other teams that had legit cases for the last #1 seed either have been losing lately (Houston, Iowa State, Illinois, MSU) or we beat them head to head (Florida). I think we get the last #1 as long as we make the final of the BET. And are a 100% lock if we win out heading into the NCAAT.

Agreed and when one closely inspects the SEC you find that while their middle and bottom are strong, they really don't have a great top team other than a surging FL. Not sure what the metrics say on that, but my eyeballs definitely aren't convinced. Sorry, SEC. Big12 is MUCH better than the SEC at the top.

 

[HuskyHawk]

Iowa State is basically conceding the wide open 3s and doing their usual half court traps and packing the paint for concern for the dribble drive and the offensive rebounding.
Iowa State has trouble scoring at times.

It's really the right way to play that huge Arizona team, unless you also have a huge team like UNC. The size will dominate you if you let it, but Arizona isn't winning games from outside the arc. They need those interior points. Can also run on them and wear them down, if you can rebound.

 

[FightOnCT]

Their schedule is indefensible. I’d assume they’re in even if they don’t win the conference tourney. But how many non tournament power 5 teams would be undefeated with that schedule? Seton Hall would definitely be. So the question becomes are you rewarding the best teams or the most conservative schedulers?

Deserve is a tricky word. I wouldn’t say they deserve it.

I lean they should have to win their conference tournament

Seton Hall has 2 Quad 3 losses. I think people are really underselling how hard it is to stay undefeated, Charmin schedule or not.

Teams are already punished for weak schedules by margin for error. Miami has none of that.

 

[KingAG]

Seton Hall has 2 Quad 3 losses. I think people are really underselling how hard it is to stay undefeated, Charmin schedule or not.

Teams are already punished for weak schedules by margin for error. Miami has none of that.

Yea BE Quad 3 losses(Butler and DePaaul I'm assuming). Sell me whatever you're smoking if you don't think those would be 2 of the best teams on Miam(OH)'s schedule lmao. I think people are underselling how hard it is to schedule the 360th best schedule