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March General CBB Discussion Thread

navery12 said:
@DRBackup To respond to your question from the other thread, yes Miami should absolutely be in if their only loss was to Akron in the MAC tournament final. Any team who goes through the regular season undefeated should get in IMO.

But I'm a little bit confused by your framing of the questions. You asked if their loss had come earlier in the season would people feel the same way about them getting an at large. The whole point is that they didn't lose earlier, or at any point. That's the only reason they're even in the conversation.

Your post dismisses Miami's accomplishment thus far of being undefeated because of their easy schedule. Yet there have been 5 undefeated regular seasons in college basketball since 1980 across every conference, good or bad. It is a really hard thing to do, regardless of opponent level. That's why some people suggest they should get an at large bid
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I tried making a thread for this, so I have no idea what your second paragraph is even addressing.

Sorry, but Miami is no different than any other low mid major that won't make the tournament if they don't win the conference tournament. Oh, other than one of the worst schedules in the entire country. Let's not sugar coat it. It isn't just bad, it's REALLY bad. Only 5 worse.

The historic element of this is irrelevant if they can't win their conference tournament, which every other of these undefeated team did. There is no magical differentiator between regular season and conference tournament. There is pre-NCAA and there is the NCAA tournament.
 
IN general, though, I'm tired of this debate because the season IS NOT over. They have two regular season games to go and they BARELY squeaked by Western Michigan. So it is very possible they lose one of those games, and / or a game in the MAC tournament, and not necessarily in the final.

I don't think the 360th non-conference schedule should be rewarded if you can't win your own conference tournament. How would that suggest you could do well in the big tournament, exactly ?

But that's some 5 games away at this point. What I'd really love to see stop is the people claiming its some kind of binary choice between Miami of Ohio and Auburn. Frankly, I don't think either of them deserve an at large berth.
 
RuffRuff said:
You're right - this week is really light in quality games. Very few impactful ones - MSU/Michigan really the only top ten type showdown other than tonight. I'm afraid this one might be a bigger blowout too.
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Does MSU jump us for a 1 seed if they win? They’re ahead of us in KenPom…

/s
 
Vowelguy said:
What does Casons injury mean for Mich ?
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I think it’s significant. third on the team in assists in almost 20mpg. He was their backup PG and Cadeau was their weak link as is.
 
Wondering what you all think about the Iowa St vs Arizona tonight at 9. Iowa St is ranked 6 and Zona is 2. Is there any benefit to us remaining a number 1 seed by rooting for the Wildcats or Corn Cobs?
 
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Duke with the beat down...

I know Burries has been a topic, but some will probably remember we were on him for awhile. I assume he wanted to stay out west, but I loved his game since HS.
 
Mr. French said:
Duke with the beat down...

I know Burries has been a topic, but some will probably remember we were on him for awhile. I assume he wanted to stay out west, but I loved his game since HS.
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Did he get hurt the second I typed this? I might be mush.
 
DRBackup said:
I tried making a thread for this, so I have no idea what your second paragraph is even addressing.

Sorry, but Miami is no different than any other low mid major that won't make the tournament if they don't win the conference tournament. Oh, other than one of the worst schedules in the entire country. Let's not sugar coat it. It isn't just bad, it's REALLY bad. Only 5 worse.

The historic element of this is irrelevant if they can't win their conference tournament, which every other of these undefeated team did. There is no magical differentiator between regular season and conference tournament. There is pre-NCAA and there is the NCAA tournament.
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Well for one, Miami is different from every other mid major that loses in their conference tournament because they'd be undefeated. And that's a very significant distinction that you continue to underrate the difficulty of regardless of schedule.

And your last paragraph is also wrong, every one of those undefeated regular season teams did not win their conference tournament. It takes 2 minutes of research to figure this out. You continue to show zero awareness about most things college basketball when you make claims like that, followed up by saying there is only pre-NCAA and NCAA tournament, something that has been proven numerous times to not be true of the committee
 
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navery12 said:
Well for one, Miami is different from every other mid major that loses in their conference tournament because they'd be undefeated. And that's a very significant distinction that you continue to underrate the difficulty of regardless of schedule.

And your last paragraph is also wrong, every one of those undefeated regular season teams did not win their conference tournament. It takes 2 minutes of research to figure this out. You continue to show zero awareness about most things college basketball when you make claims like that, followed up by saying there is only pre-NCAA and NCAA tournament, something that has been proven numerous times to not be true of the committee
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Their schedule is indefensible. I’d assume they’re in even if they don’t win the conference tourney. But how many non tournament power 5 teams would be undefeated with that schedule? Seton Hall would definitely be. So the question becomes are you rewarding the best teams or the most conservative schedulers?

Deserve is a tricky word. I wouldn’t say they deserve it.

I lean they should have to win their conference tournament
 
KingAG said:
Ehh. They’re both missing wide open 3’s. Defense has been ok.

As I type this AZ goes on run.
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Iowa State is basically conceding the wide open 3s and doing their usual half court traps and packing the paint for concern for the dribble drive and the offensive rebounding.
Iowa State has trouble scoring at times.
 
KingAG said:
Their schedule is indefensible. I’d assume they’re in even if they don’t win the conference tourney. But how many non tournament power 5 teams would be undefeated with that schedule? Seton Hall would definitely be. So the question becomes are you rewarding the best teams or the most conservative schedulers?

Deserve is a tricky word. I wouldn’t say they deserve it.

I lean they should have to win their conference tournament
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I think the number of teams who would be undefeated with their schedule is far fewer than we think. Definitely not more than 20, and I think even that's high. It is very hard to not slip up once over an entire season.

Which is not a defense of their schedule, which is awful. But the NCAA tournament is not about the 68 best teams, it's about the most deserving teams. And if they make it through the regular season undefeated I have a very hard time seeing them not being deserving
 
gsmooth said:
Iowa State is basically conceding the wide open 3s and doing their usual half court traps and packing the paint for concern for the dribble drive and the offensive rebounding.
Iowa State has trouble scoring at times.
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Yeah, they do. 25 a the half would say so, even with AZ being a very good defensive team. ISU doesn't have a lot of offensive firepower. S16 type team to these eyes, can see them getting picked off.
 
KingAG said:
Their schedule is indefensible. I’d assume they’re in even if they don’t win the conference tourney. But how many non tournament power 5 teams would be undefeated with that schedule? Seton Hall would definitely be. So the question becomes are you rewarding the best teams or the most conservative schedulers?

Deserve is a tricky word. I wouldn’t say they deserve it.

I lean they should have to win their conference tournament
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Shaheen Holloway probably doesn't even think this
 
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navery12 said:
I think the number of teams who would be undefeated with their schedule is far fewer than we think. Definitely not more than 20, and I think even that's high. It is very hard to not slip up once over an entire season.

Which is not a defense of their schedule, which is awful. But the NCAA tournament is not about the 68 best teams, it's about the most deserving teams. And if they make it through the regular season undefeated I have a very hard time seeing them not being deserving
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I disagree slightly. This is how you get the power 4 breaking off and having their ow tournament. There is no way in any justifiable universe that Miami(OH) is more “deserving”than a Seton Hall. The only thing they did was schedule worst opponents and play in the MAC. If what they’re doing is legit, they’ll win their conference tournament. You have to start punishing teams for scheduling that bad.
 
Arizona taking care of business for us so far at halftime. Looking like it'll only be Florida with a legit shot to challenge us. (Maaaaybe Michigan State if they can win at Michigan and then go on a BET run, but seems unlikely).
 
aceboon said:
Shaheen Holloway probably doesn't even think this
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Have you seen their schedule? Now look at SH OOC. They lost 1 game. Put this SH team in the MAC? Lol
 
auror said:
Arizona taking care of business for us so far at halftime. Looking like it'll only be Florida with a legit shot to challenge us. (Maaaaybe Michigan State if they can win at Michigan and then go on a BET run, but seems unlikely).
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No way on MSU. Not a chance. If Florida runs it, beats 4 tourney teams, they'll make it close. Yet ultimately all will likely happen is we swap the 1 & 2 in the same region.
 
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KingAG said:
Have you seen their schedule? Look at SH OOC. They lost 1 game. Put this SH team in the MAC? Lol
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Seton Hall is absolutely having a night where they can't make shots and taking an L on the road during a long conference season, you must have only watched SH play UConn. It's a team made up of alot of low/mid-major transfers, they're not like that.
 
Every time I’ve watched Iowa State this year, I haven’t been too impressed by them. Tonight is no different, some ugly basketball played on both sides to start the second half
 
caw said:
I'd say ISU is doing that but is also doing a poor job of identifying who the actual shooters on Zona are.
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Amazing how a kid like Krivas gets into the skulls. ISU just missed about 8 shots on one possession.

ISU is def offensively challenged.
 
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aceboon said:
Seton Hall is absolutely having a night where they can't make shots and taking an L on the road during a long conference season, you must have only watched SH play UConn.
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No I’ve watched SH play MAC level schools. And they beat all of them by double digits sans Wagner.

I think you’re underestimating the athletic difference
 
Mr. French said:
MAC is much better than Wagner level.
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I’m not just citing Wagner.

They also beat Rutgers, NC State, Kansas St, Washington St. Bad P5’s but definitely on par with MAC level schools.

Miami(OH) hasn’t played someone as good as NC State all season.

Miami(OH) played a non D1 team as a part of their schedule…..AT THE END OF DECEMBER.
 
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