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Exit 4 said:
Fingers crossed. Lots of things moving against a bump up.
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This is what I think too. Maybe a modest bump maybe not. I know if I were negotiating the nex B E deal I would want to go shorter rather than longer. We are just at the beginning of the streaming era for example. I don’t think the AAC deal will be out of the ordinary in the next round fwiw. You are seeing P5 leagues look at it. But not sure I want to be the guinea pig either. The Big East as a basketball only league could well be easy to push in that direction. On the other hand you also don’t want to be locked into a linear platform for 12 years when by year 4 everyone is streaming and making big money for it. Finally remember ESPN has been hemorrhaging viewers. It has eased up due to Covid but will likely return after things return to normal. That will discourage huge bidding.
 
I “think” there are a few pieces still missing from any near-term analysis of UConn now vs random team still in the AAC:
1. A renegotiation of the AAC deal post-UConn departure - I had seen that this was going to happen but assume it won’t come with any big press release as it would likely involve a haircut from the previous version
2. Isn’t the Big East / Fox Sports contract either up soon or potentially going to be renegotiated with the addition of UConn?
3. The AAC contract is back-weighted so in the first few years the payout was supposed to be ~$4 million or so per team per year? Net of production costs, that would make the Big East contract superior right away without the CBS deal (although I don’t believe we start getting a full share right away).
 
CL82 said:
Yes and no. The Big East has turned out to be a much better product than was previously anticipated. Our joining shouldn't hurt things either. I'm cautiously hopeful.
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I mean I think the next deal will be in the 650-750 mil range with more digital components. Either way it’ll be a bump up. However, it won’t be as big as we think.
 
freescooter said:
Not a totally unreasonable analysis. we aren’t way better off than in the AAC with this deal. Probably long term worse. OTOH it is better than we expected and opens the door to other possibilities. Maybe we have a shot at a 2 for 1 type deal with a
national brand for example. Plus we have a home schedule most years that is more palatable to our fans so with a few wins we could begin to see bodies in the seats again. To me the goal ought to be 30;000. FWIW I’d still try to get UMass as a season ended every year. If we have a rival it would seem a school we have played more than 100 times over the years and is located 50 miles away would at least be worthy of consideration.
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Better yearly rival may be Boston College. May be hard to schedule but if we can, would lead to fan interest.
 
jbdphi said:
1. A renegotiation of the AAC deal post-UConn departure - I had seen that this was going to happen but assume it won’t come with any big press release as it would likely involve a haircut from the previous version
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Yeah, it seems its most likely they will try to get by without making an announcement regarding a reduction in the new ESPN deal for our exit. At a minimum that contract has to be reduced by whatever our pro-rata share was set to be - presumably 1/11th (Navy is largely carved out via their own CBS deal). And if the contract is reduced by our share, what's the need for a press release because that would be a "business as usual" type adjustment. Furthermore, ESPN and the AAC might keep the downward adjustment paper trail to a minimum (to minimize FOIA) by ESPN merely giving notice to AAC HQ of the UConn pro-rata reduction which might help keep it off the desk of any of the ADs.

Of course, UConn was worth far more than a simple 1/11th share. If ESPN ask for more than 1/11th back, they will find another way to bury the news. Probably layer in more charge backs to reduce the net payout while keeping the top line #.
 
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LoyalFanCT said:
Better yearly rival may be Boston College. May be hard to schedule but if we can, would lead to fan interest.
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Yeah but I think that is a tough sell to BC. they are not scheduling us annually I don’t think. We will most likely be playing UMass annually anyway. We should take advantage of it. I think we were their best home crowd last year, maybe second, and both teams were terrible. Imagine if both were pretty good or even one good and the other decent. Though fwiw the last time we played at BC we were the second largest crowd of the year At Alumni Stadium behind I think Clemson.
 
Agree Hank. In this era where conferences dominate BC wont schedule the same non conference team evvery year. With limited non league games you need to schedule multiple teams over a say 10 year period. You would do that even if scheduling the same ones would be advantageous to you In terms of attendance. If I were BC I wouldn’t do it.
 
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Dooooooomed said:
So long as we play BC 4x per decade, I'm good.
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Thinking aloud and looking at the programs in the northeast - seems like in taking a decade view we might strive for something like this:

We probably need to show a little life on the field and in the stands for this to happen.
  • Army 10x
  • UMass 10x
  • Syracuse 6x - Maybe? Kind of need 4x or 5x as a min.
  • Buffalo 5x - For scheduling ease/not for love.
  • BC 4x-5x - Just think this is the realistic cap.
  • Rutgers 4x - Renewed rivalry with UConn might bring some life to ticket sales. B10 only has three OOC slots.
  • Temple 4x - Very hard to say what happens here post AAC.
  • Maryland 3x - Booked for a single H&H, can we get a second in a decade? B10 only has three OOC slots.
  • Pitt 3x - Hard to imagine Pitt coming to the Rent more than once in a decade. Fingers crossed.
  • UVA 3x - Another 2-1 type school me thinks. Maybe we could get this relationship up to 4x however.
  • Navy 2x - I could see us skipping this one...everything changes if Navy ditches the AAC however.
  • WV 2x - Seems like this is the most realistic way to get a B12 game.
  • VT - 2x - Their schedule is well booked out. Maybe we find a way for one series.
  • Penn St 2x - UConn visits for Payday games.
 
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Exit 4 said:
Thinking aloud and looking at the programs in the northeast - seems like in taking a decade view we might strive for something like this:

We probably need to show a little life on the field and in the stands for this to happen.
  • Army 10x
  • UMass 10x
  • Syracuse 6x - Maybe? Kind of need 4x or 5x as a min.
  • Buffalo 5x - For scheduling ease/not for love.
  • BC 4x-5x - Just think this is the realistic cap.
  • Rutgers 4x - Rrenewed rivalry with UConn might bring some life to ticket sales. B10 only has three OOC slots.
  • Temple 4x - Very hard to say what happens here post AAC.
  • Maryland 3x - Just dont seem them being that interested...probably wants 2-1s. B10 only has three OOC slots.
  • Pitt 3x -Also dont see that as that interested...also probably want 2-1
  • UVA 3x - Another 2-1 type school me thinks. Maybe we could get this relationship up to 4x however.
  • Navy 2x - I could see us skipping this one...everything changes if Navy ditches the AAC however.
  • WV 2x - Seems like this is the most realistic way to get a B12 game.
  • VT - 2x - Their schedule is well booked out. Maybe we find a way for one series.
  • Penn St 2x - UConn visits for Payday games.
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2/1 with Virginia? Seriously? We can get UNC, NC State Wake, pretty much every ACC team not named Florida Star or Clemson. Mid tier B10 as well as B12 teams 1-1 Why would we do 2-1 with Virginia? I also expect to see some games with BYU maybe 4 and a couple of 1-1 with PAC teams. They really need to get games in the eastern time zones. I realize these aren’t east coast teams but I think over time they will be our best hopes for name games.
 
freescooter said:
2/1 with Virginia? Seriously? We can get UNC, NC State Wake, pretty much every ACC team not named Florida Star or Clemson. Mid tier B10 as well as B12 teams 1-1 Why would we do 2-1 with Virginia? I also expect to see some games with BYU maybe 4 and a couple of 1-1 with PAC teams. They really need to get games in the eastern time zones. I realize these aren’t east coast teams but I think over time they will be our best hopes for name games.
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Relax, its a sketch. We'll see. Right now we are visiting UVA for a one off pseudo pay day game (created by breaking up the old dominion series) with no return game. If we manage to schedule a fresh 1 and 1 with UVA for later this decade we will be on track for playing them three times in this new independent era which would effectively be a 2 for 1.

Over the course of a decade hopefully we don't have to schedule any 2 for 1s and if we do, it will be only a couple times with P5 programs that are meaningful to our recruiting footprint and/or a sure fire boost to home ticket sales (for example, a Michigan 2 for 1 would be a no brainer as Michigan would cause us to sell out our stadium for once). I'm sure at this moment with decent momentum under foot we aren't really talking to any schools about 2 for 1s. You really can't do more than a couple 2 for 1s over a decade or the home schedule gets too thin for content.
 
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Exit 4 said:
Relax, its a sketch. We'll see. Right now we are visiting UVA for a one off pseudo pay day game (created by breaking up the old dominion series) with no return game. If we manage to schedule a fresh 1 and 1 with UVA for later this decade we will be on track for playing them three times in this new independent era which would effectively be a 2 for 1.

Over the course of a decade hopefully we don't have to schedule any 2 for 1s and if we do, it will be only a couple times with P5 programs that are meaningful to our recruiting footprint and/or a sure fire boost to home ticket sales (for example, a Michigan 2 for 1 would be a no brainer as Michigan would cause us to sell out our stadium for once). I'm sure at this moment with decent momentum under foot we aren't really talking to any schools about 2 for 1s. You really can't do more than a couple 2 for 1s over a decade or the home schedule gets too thin for content.
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The more B1G on the schedule the better. We have the advantage that we qualify as P5 level opponent in their scheduling, and we need to keep in front of them. They are the state flagship conference that make sense for us some happy day.
 
freescooter said:
2/1 with Virginia? Seriously? We can get UNC, NC State Wake, pretty much every ACC team not named Florida Star or Clemson. Mid tier B10 as well as B12 teams 1-1 Why would we do 2-1 with Virginia? I also expect to see some games with BYU maybe 4 and a couple of 1-1 with PAC teams. They really need to get games in the eastern time zones. I realize these aren’t east coast teams but I think over time they will be our best hopes for name games.
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Why does the University of Washington or Oregon State "really need" to get games in the eastern time zone? Because their fans in Seattle are demanding it? Because they have hundreds of thousands of fans in the eastern time zone demanding it? What?
 
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businesslawyer said:
Why does the University of Washington or Oregon State "really need" to get games in the eastern time zone? Because their fans in Seattle are demanding it? Because they have hundreds of thousands of fans in the eastern time zone demanding it? What?
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Just guessing, but probably to periodically remind 2/3rds of the country that they exist. And not just for sports, but school too...if I were exposed more to WA or OR as a teenager I would have considered going to school there.
 
WestHartHusk said:
Just guessing, but probably to periodically remind 2/3rds of the country that they exist. And not just for sports, but school too...if I were exposed more to WA or OR as a teenager I would have considered going to school there.
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O.K., so playing one game in the eastern time zone against a UConn team that no one cares about is going to change your recruiting profile on the east coast? Seriously? Kids who watch college football on TV are going to think differently if they play one game a decade somewhere in your time zone that may or may not be within driving distance to where you are?
 
businesslawyer said:
O.K., so playing one game in the eastern time zone against a UConn team that no one cares about is going to change your recruiting profile on the east coast? Seriously? Kids who watch college football on TV are going to think differently if they play one game a decade somewhere in your time zone that may or may not be within driving distance to where you are?
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I don't know if there is any good substance too it, but there has been this rumor around that the PAC 12 would like to get one of their schools playing a game at noon or 3pm in the EST with greater frequency so that they have more exposure and I guess a longer day of conf content. I remain a bit skeptical of this rumor and I guess we'll see how the PAC schedules going forward for confirmation.

I actually do think there is a small chance we could get a 1 and 1 with Stanford. The rest of the P12 schools feel like a weird match up. I wouldn't deny any of them, but it would be a surprise and somewhat odd. I suppose the most likely would be Oregon State just because both schools think they are scheduling a win.
 
Exit 4 said:
I don't know if there is any good substance too it, but there has been this rumor around that the PAC 12 would like to get one of their schools playing a game at noon or 3pm in the EST with greater frequency so that they have more exposure and I guess a longer day of conf content.
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No way a PAC 12 team wants to travel to the East Coast to play a noon game, that is 9:00am body time. That would be getting the team up at 6:00am or earlier body time. Puts a team at a huge disadvantage.
 
HartfordHank said:
No way a PAC 12 team wants to travel to the East Coast to play a noon game, that is 9:00am body time. That would be getting the team up at 6:00am or earlier body time. Puts a team at a huge disadvantage.
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Like I said, I am skeptical. But I have heard it from a couple places. One of those rumors.
 
Asking to schedule any P5 team more than 2X per decade is asking a lot.
You'd be doing well to on average schedule 1 game from each P5 conference per year and fill the rest with G5, Independents (and the lone FCS game to assure 6 home games).
 
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Exit 4 said:
Like I said, I am skeptical. But I have heard it from a couple places. One of those rumors.
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There are PAC team travelling to play a handful of games in the eastern time zone over the next ten seasons.....too early to know time slots..

UCLA....Auburn, Georgia
Cal........Florida, Auburn
Stanford....Boston College
Arizona.......VT
Arizona St....Florida
Colorado......GT, Florida
 
he's not wrong... for ECU, the AAC really is their cap and more money than they've ever made. Dropping to a regional conference for them means their TV dollars are slashed as they'd end-up in a very low level southeast conference with a TV deal in the hundreds of thousands.

Buy games and independent football dollars wouldn't make up for the massive losses they'd take. It's better for them to cut sports and limit the deficit than face an even more desperate situation in the Big South or that kind of conference (or a more regionally aligned Sun Belt/C-USA)
 
If football is ECU's thing...they will sacrifice to play Cincinnati, Memphis, UCF, Houston rather than Texas-Arlington and Arkansas State type teams.

At UConn, basketball was paramount...could be football for ECU.
 
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