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Luke Murray and BC?

Deepster said:
Listen, I love the guy and I feel like he's way more responsible for our 2 titles than he probably gets credit for or that we actually know about.

That said? Not every offensive or defensive coordinator in the NFL is a good head coach. I say NFL because they don't really have those designated positions in NCAA hoops, but in essence, he's like our OC. We know he can recruit. We know he's an X and O wunderkind. We don't really know anything else at all about him....and he's stepping into a blazing dumpster if he goes to BC. It would be a great story if he can reclimate them.....but the chance of him failing there is even bigger considering the situation and the unknowns about the rest of him.
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"reclimate?"
 
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Fishy said:
Hodgson would be more of an issue at PC than anyone at BC. Boston College is a knife in a gunfight.



Boston College is a coach killer. Last three guys at CoC moved up. (Ironically, Grant moves to BC.) Last four guys at Boston College fell into the abyss. Bad admin, bad investment, no fans.
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But the results from CoC was fired for abuse, mid major, BC, and Louisville. So the median outcome of CoC ... is still a job like BC with years of worse earning power making CoC salary instead of BC salary.
 
auror said:
But the results from CoC was fired for abuse, mid major, BC, and Louisville. So the median outcome of CoC ... is still a job like BC with years of worse earning power making CoC salary instead of BC salary.
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CoC is a massively different job in the NIL era than pre-NIL. They have a significant NIL advantage over anyone else in the CAA (rumored to be up to 2x). I’m not sure anyone pre-Kelsey is a great bellwether.
 
WhereistheDove? said:
CoC is a massively different job in the NIL era than pre-NIL. They have a significant NIL advantage over anyone else in the CAA (rumored to be up to 2x). I’m not sure anyone pre-Kelsey is a great bellwether.
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And yet they weren't that good this year and Mack left for a mid major job.

I think CofC would be a good spot for Luke. I thought so last year, too. But it's not a slam dunk to take it over a high major opportunity.
 
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uconnbill said:
It will always be BCU to me and many others.

The hatred for that school is well known, and BCU is like a hemorrhoid on New England's backside
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I imagine a lot of people don’t know the origin story - when they jumped to the ACC, the official ACC website actually welcomed “Boston College University” to their league. So they’ve been BCU to us ever since.
 
uconnbill said:
It will always be BCU to me and many others.

The hatred for that school is well known, and BCU is like a hemorrhoid on New England's backside
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Know Mark Wahlberg GIF by Uncharted
 
The last 6 head coaches at College of Charleston:

John Kresse. 560-143
Tom Herrion. 80-38
Bobby Cremmins. 125-68
Doug Wojcik 38-29
Earl Grant 127-89
Pat Kelsey 75-27

All the head coaches at CoC going back to 1979 have won. And, if you are an upcoming coach, you can move up after your stint at CoC like Grant (BC) and Kelsey (Louisville).

CoC would be a great opportunity for Murray, but it looks like they like to hire successful head coaches.
 
I detest BC, but I think it is a good landing spot for Murray. Expectations are very low, the NCAA tournament is likely expanding, and the ACC sucks (especially the bottom third). If Murray can make the tournament by Year 3, he can snag a middle of the pack P5 job.
 
auror said:
And yet they weren't that good this year and Mack left for a mid major job.

I think CofC would be a good spot for Luke. I thought so last year, too. But it's not a slam dunk to take it over a high major opportunity.
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I’m not making any argument that it’s a slam dunk opportunity. I’m making the argument that Murray’s path to a desirable job is more likely if CoC is the stepping stone than BC. Nothing is guaranteed in either scenario.
 
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Hypothetically, you are a delivery man. Amazon offers you a job that pays 50k. UPS offers you a job that pays 90k. Which is a better job? Let’s leave life decisions up to Luke and his family. My guess he has a firm grip on what a good opportunity looks like.
 
He'll have to accept playing second fiddle to Boston's pro teams, as well as second fiddle on his own campus......to hockey.
 
I have to chuckle at those thinking Luke will out-recruit Danny and the UConn brand for top players. What does BC offer? Certainly not a better more established coach. Certainly not better facilities. Certainly not a better chance to make and go far in the tournament. And certainly not more national exposure. But I do think Murray will have BC playing a better caliber of basketball and be more competitive than they’ve been in a long time.
Luke will be missed but Nardi is becoming a really good coach too.
 
A couple comments:

If we can't withstand the loss of a quality assistant, we aren't the program we thought we were. One demonstrable truth is that having a successful coaching tree is normally very beneficial to the coach and program that produced that three.

Nobody that is part of the program is here under indentured servitude. If we have success and quality assistants who contributed to our success we have to accept that at some point they may move on.

With this case specifically, if what some posted on NIL (that Luke believes they need $8mm while BC offered $5mm) is true, that is a substantial gap and if it cannot be closed, it will make the possibility of succeeding even more difficult, and may lead Luke to decide to wait for a different opportunity.

However this unfolds, I will always be grateful and appreciative of what Luke did here and I will always him the best.
 
FfldCntyFan said:
A couple comments:

If we can't withstand the loss of a quality assistant, we aren't the program we thought we were. One demonstrable truth is that having a successful coaching tree is normally very beneficial to the coach and program that produced that three.

Nobody that is part of the program is here under indentured servitude. If we have success and quality assistants who contributed to our success we have to accept that at some point they may move on.

With this case specifically, if what some posted on NIL (that Luke believes they need $8mm while BC offered $5mm) is true, that is a substantial gap and if it cannot be closed, it will make the possibility of succeeding even more difficult, and may lead Luke to decide to wait for a different opportunity.

However this unfolds, I will always be grateful and appreciative of what Luke did here and I will always him the best.
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Of course we can withstand losing Luke but don’t dismiss his contributions to this program and this offense.
These are big shoes to fill and Danny will miss having him.
 
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djct1999 said:
Of course we can withstand losing Luke but don’t dismiss his contributions to this program and this offense.
These are big shoes to fill and Danny will miss having him.
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Trust me, I'm fully aware of that.

This is part of what comes with the territory when success is achieved at an exceptionally high level.
 
CL82 said:
Know Mark Wahlberg GIF by Uncharted
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Good friend of mine was the guy sitting behind the BC bench with the “Betrayal College” sign during our last home game against them years ago.
 
UConnJim said:
The last 6 head coaches at College of Charleston:

John Kresse. 560-143
Tom Herrion. 80-38
Bobby Cremmins. 125-68
Doug Wojcik 38-29
Earl Grant 127-89
Pat Kelsey 75-27

All the head coaches at CoC going back to 1979 have won. And, if you are an upcoming coach, you can move up after your stint at CoC like Grant (BC) and Kelsey (Louisville).

CoC would be a great opportunity for Murray, but it looks like they like to hire successful head coaches.
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LOL, look at the argument you're making. If you take the CoC job and do well, maybe you can move up to...BC like Grant. Or you can just go to BC? Luke has connections in this area. I think he'll do better at BC, recruiting kids to the ACC. I suspect that Dan would agree to play him as well. BC is going to need rev share for football, and while they can't commit to much NIL, the opportunity to earn NIL in Boston is massive. Imagine what Doug Flutie would have pulled down in the NIL era.

It helps UConn if the new President and AD at BC come to realize that New England football and basketball is better when we're both good and both playing each other. The days when we had to fight over a recruit in Boston are over. The best player in eastern Mass went to BYU and it seems that the next best landed at Furman. This year the kid who dominated the Mass HS basketball tournament (for my daughter's former HS) is head to Texas, as pitcher.
 
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nelsonmuntz said:
A good rule of thumb for any young assistant is to take the first major conference job you can get. Boston College may be the exception to that rule.
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Jim Calhoun was offered the Northwestern job when he was Head Coach at Northeastern. He talked to his friend Booby Knight. Knight advised his against taking the job at the long time B10 laggard. The best rule of thumb is to look at each position individually and not follow rules of thumb.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
A good rule of thumb for any young assistant is to take the first major conference job you can get. Boston College may be the exception to that rule.
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Luke and Kimani are in tough spots because UConn pays them top dollar. Bias aside, one can argue BC is all upside for Luke. He will most likely earn 2-3x what he is now and he gains major experience in the ACC. If he somehow makes BC marginally competitive he catapults to the top of every list. If he fails, BC is not committed to basketball and no one succeeds here. His failure will be reflective of the school not his ability. Meanwhile, he still gained high major experience and made good coin. Where is the downside for a first time coach?
Sure on a message board people can put this down. In real life, it’s an entirely different story.
 
djct1999 said:
Luke and Kimani are in tough spots because UConn pays them top dollar. Bias aside, one can argue BC is all upside for Luke. He will most likely earn 2-3x what he is now and he gains major experience in the ACC. If he somehow makes BC marginally competitive he catapults to the top of every list. If he fails, BC is not committed to basketball and no one succeeds here. His failure will be reflective of the school not his ability. Meanwhile, he still gained high major experience and made good coin. Where is the downside for a first time coach?
Sure on a message board people can put this down. In real life, it’s an entirely different story.
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I think you underestimate the damage failure does to a coaching career. Remember, Luke makes big money now and is the heir to a substantial fortune. He does not need to take a crap job. My guess is that if he takes it, it is because he wants a head job and it’s nearby and won’t cause too much disruption to his family. I hope he does well there if he goes, but I’m not so sure this is the right job for him.

One thing that could be in play is that he knows Danny isn’t going to stick around for too many more years and he needs high level experience asap to be in line to take over at UConn. This keeps him nearby and visible while giving him that experience.
 
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Palatine said:
Jim Calhoun was offered the Northwestern job when he was Head Coach at Northeastern. He talked to his friend Booby Knight. Knight advised his against taking the job at the long time B10 laggard. The best rule of thumb is to look at each position individually and not follow rules of thumb.
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It's probably a little easier to turn down Northwestern when you're actively being pursued by two other high majors, UConn and Stanford, at the same time. I'm not sure Murray is in that boat.
 
imno1 said:
Luke will be missed but Nardi is becoming a really good coach too.
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From the tv it’s hard to tell how much Nardi does. I see Luke and Kimani interacting but they don’t show Nardi much.

I think Danny was planning to lose one or both of his assistants so moving Tom to Gm gave him the opportunity to bring in a young coach
 
nelsonmuntz said:
A good rule of thumb for any young assistant is to take the first major conference job you can get. Boston College may be the exception to that rule.
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Why. If y take a job and fail even because of circumstances beyond your control you may never get another HC job because people can say he’s a good assistant just not a good hc.

I would argue for someone in Lukes position the first job is critical.

If he turns perennial basement dweller Bcu into a top 1/3 of the conf he’s done wonders and will have the cred to go for a top 10 job
 
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