Lou's Journey towards Mt Rushmore

[CBear01]

Neither Diana, Maya or Stewie played with potentially three (3) other deserving All-Americans as well as a point guard that will most likely be one next season.

Huh?
*Diana played with Bird, Cash, Jones, all Americans. Also we have Svet and Shea on the 2001-01 team (Diana freshman). Players of the year too! TW had plenty of honors, including a FG% that you cannot touch

*Maya played with Charles and Montgomery, both all Americans, and both players of the year! Tiffany Hayes was also All American (3rd team). Chardé was honorable mention too.

*Stewie had Tuck and Jefferson, again All Americans. Plus Katie Lou and Pheese, all americans. And Gabby. And when Nurse becomes one this year add another

I'm confused...am I missing something? So all these ladies had fabulous help, which IMHO, makes them even better at what they do.

It's just too hard to start comparing the best of best in the sport. Point is we have been blessed with more All Americans than imaginable

 

[YellwJcket999]

Katie Lou is very much an improved player this year. Her defense, rebounds and post moves are much better. She is a fan favorite no doubt.
You can't seriously look at the statistics and place Katie Lou on Uconn Mt Rushmore. A comparative look at her versus the Uconn all time greats year by year does not support this.

I like the conversation and it fun to cheer our favorite. Looking at the numbers objectively just doesn't pan out.

 

[diggerfoot]

Hey Digger! As usual I love your posts!! Wish you posted more.

Regarding Bird/MoJeff- I don't know what else to do when I throw those efficiency numbers out there. Just like assists to turnovers as well. Heck the joke with Swin Cash was that she'd miss easy shots just so she can pad her offensive rebound numbers - so she must have brned Bird's assist number? j/k. Though it was a joke but a lesser player can hurt a pg's assist to turnovers etc. And who played the tougher schedule? Is today's game better scouted than the past etc?

So when I read from some that Bird is better. The line is something like "I never saw anyone run the team like her." So when I throw the stats out there in which MoJeff has the better assist to turnover ratio and the better shooting % -- the stats from MoJeff are super great. An efg% of 61+% PLUS taking care of the ball in the manner she did- that has to count for something. My comments don't mean to suggest MoJeff is the better offensive player. But MoJeff shouldn't be discarded. And ofc why this is all so hard an basically subjective - on the flip side a lot of her offense came from her defense than Bird. SO when MoJeff has had a breakaway and she scores on a gimme layup it's not really her offense. Thus her offensive fg% has quite a bit due to her defense as well as her passing. If she went in her prime college career vs Bird would she be able to affect Bird's efficiency?" We shall never know. Yet how about Bird? Those teams in her era used to press fullcourt a lot I think. Many teams just couldn't deal with it. SO was Bird of 01-02 in which her team caused 19 turnovers per game actually more available to make direct passes for assists than MoJeff's 15-16 team that caused 20 turnovers per game?

Imo some of these comes to down to preference and perception. Do you know what I wish? A game created that you can draft UCONN players and set up some type of tournament online in which the game is played out-- a best of 7 series - or a regular season - then the playoffs then you ultimately you advance. It won't prove a darn thing but it would be fun -- a computer simulation of a prime college Bird vs a prime college MoJeff etc.

Thanks, hoophuskee, you know I as well enjoy your evidence based posts. I think we are getting at the same thing, but with different sensitivities. Bird v Jefferson for their UConn careers I believe is a tough call (though Jefferson will have to do some remarkable things to catch Bird in the pros). However, I think the natural tendency is to rely on tangible stats to tell the story (while your sensitivity seems to be when people rely on reputation). The UConn mantra is "Play smart. Play hard. Have fun." Not "Score points. Get rebounds. Make assists." While the intangible qualities manifest themselves in stats that can be measured, they also have effects that cannot be measured. Few people played smarter than Taurasi, and in doing so able to make the most out of inexperienced teammates. Few people played harder than Moore, and in doing so inspired talented teammates to reach their potential. Few people have more fun on the court than Stewart, and in doing so calms her teammates even when playing a team that previously beat them repeatedly.

 

[HumblePie]

Huh?
*Diana played with Bird, Cash, Jones, all Americans. Also we have Svet and Shea on the 2001-01 team (Diana freshman). Players of the year too! TW had plenty of honors, including a FG% that you cannot touch

*Maya played with Charles and Montgomery, both all Americans, and both players of the year! Tiffany Hayes was also All American (3rd team). Chardé was honorable mention too.

*Stewie had Tuck and Jefferson, again All Americans. Plus Katie Lou and Pheese, all americans. And Gabby. And when Nurse becomes one this year add another

I'm confused...am I missing something? So all these ladies had fabulous help, which IMHO, makes them even better at what they do.

It's just too hard to start comparing the best of best in the sport. Point is we have been blessed with more All Americans than imaginable

Yes, you definitely missed something rather large. You might try re-reading (slowly) what I wrote! It should have been very obvious that I was speaking of All-Americans on the SAME TEAM, in the SAME SEASON, and NOT over an entire career!

What source did you use to claim Asjha Jones was an All-American?

 

[CBear01]

Yes, you definitely missed something rather large. You might try re-reading (slowly) what I wrote! It should have been very obvious that I was speaking of All-Americans on the SAME TEAM, in the SAME SEASON, and NOT over an entire career!

What source did you use to claim Asjha Jones was an All-American?

No, I read correctly. Diana played on the same team in the same season as as Bird, Cash, Jones, Svet, and Shea. All were all americans. I used the same idea for Maya and Stewie. Now you cant possibly be talking about more than 3 all americans in a single season from the same team, NCAA does not allow that. Asjha Jones was 3rd team in 2001-02. To refresh your memory here's a list compiled by the Courant in 2015 (just add all our All Americans after that! ) UConn Women's All-Time All-America List

 

[YellwJcket999]

I disagree with the sentiment that you cant compare greats.The entire purpose of keeping stats and record books is to provide tools for comparative measure that are not subjective. You can only compete against the people/players in your era. Batting average, RBI, ERA, Efficiency, shooting percentage, turnovers etc. All give a basis for comparison. Players can only perform under the situations that are present when they play. We can all say what if this or that. But numbers are what they are.

I don't think that T.Brady is the greatest quarterback of all time. His completion percentage, qb rating and superbowl rings say that he is. I don't think the Steph Curry Warriors are better than MJ Bulls, Show time Lakers or LB Celtics. =>B.R.'s 10 rings say otherwise.

When KLS passes KML for the all time Uconn 3ptrs, is she Uconn's best shooter? Define best. Without a doubt she will have made the most 3's in Huskie history.

I say for this debate we come up with an objective standard, a rubric, metric whatever and evaluate the All time greats.
The data is out there. We have excel proficient members. What's the harm? I think no matter the criteria, the cream will rise to the top.

 

[hoophuskee]

Thanks, hoophuskee, you know I as well enjoy your evidence based posts. I think we are getting at the same thing, but with different sensitivities. Bird v Jefferson for their UConn careers I believe is a tough call (though Jefferson will have to do some remarkable things to catch Bird in the pros). However, I think the natural tendency is to rely on tangible stats to tell the story (while your sensitivity seems to be when people rely on reputation). The UConn mantra is "Play smart. Play hard. Have fun." Not "Score points. Get rebounds. Make assists." While the intangible qualities manifest themselves in stats that can be measured, they also have effects that cannot be measured. Few people played smarter than Taurasi, and in doing so able to make the most out of inexperienced teammates. Few people played harder than Moore, and in doing so inspired talented teammates to reach their potential. Few people have more fun on the court than Stewart, and in doing so calms her teammates even when playing a team that previously beat them repeatedly.

Same here. Great point about intangibles. I agree 100%. Which is why I can't say definitively either (no one can). Though I know we agree that stats don't tell the entire story as you make mention with intangibles, they do tell a story. But I believe there is, but not limited to, that a mantra of score points, get rebounds and make assists though. Those are related to to basketball fundamentals and basketball skills which UCONN imo must preach.

 

[HumblePie]

No, I read correctly. Diana played on the same team in the same season as as Bird, Cash, Jones, Svet, and Shea. All were all americans. I used the same idea for Maya and Stewie. Now you cant possibly be talking about more than 3 all americans in a single season from the same team, NCAA does not allow that. Asjha Jones was 3rd team in 2001-02. To refresh your memory here's a list compiled by the Courant in 2015 (just add all our All Americans after that! ) UConn Women's All-Time All-America List

Dude, we are talking about two different things, but I'm going to let it go because it's too time consuming trying to get you to follow what I said. However, the words "potentially" and "deserving" should have precluded the referenced NCAA ruling.

 

[CBear01]

Dude, we are talking about two different things, but I'm going to let it go because it's too time consuming trying to get you to follow what I said. However, the words "potentially" and "deserving" should have precluded the referenced NCAA ruling.

2 dif things? This is what you said and why I commented:

Here's the thing you're missing, although you should have clearly seen it. Neither Diana, Maya or Stewie played with potentially three (3) other deserving All-Americans

How are we talking about dif things? I responded to the statement you made that Diana, Maya, and Stewie never played with 3 (and you use the word potential as well here) all americans. We can see that just isn't true so what different thing are you talking about? How am I reading what you say wrong? I mean you say it pretty definitively. I even included the list of all americans so you can double check your memory.

I'm not trying cause ruckus I'm just trying to understand your argument. Can you explain more then? Feel free to PM me

 

[ochoopsfan]

I am a bit confused by this topic. Why does Lou want to go to South Dakota? Is she going to play Eva Marie Saints role in a North By Northwest remake?

I dont know about being on a Mt Rushmore, but she is on my top 5 of all time "Buns" team.

 

[eebmg]

I am a bit confused by this topic. Why does Lou want to go to South Dakota? Is she going to play Eva Marie Saints role in a North By Northwest remake?

I dont know about being on a Mt Rushmore, but she is on my top 5 of all time "Buns" team.

I don't know. Her bun seems to be having more "accidents" lately. The bun want's to fly free.

 

[HumblePie]

How are we talking about dif things? I responded to the statement you made that Diana, Maya, and Stewie never played with 3 (and you use the word potential as well here) all americans. We can see that just isn't true so what different thing are you talking about? How am I reading what you say wrong? I mean you say it pretty definitively. I even included the list of all americans so you can double check your memory.

I'm not trying cause ruckus I'm just trying to understand your argument. Can you explain more then? Feel free to PM me

For the last time! I was clearly talking about this season! So, Lou is playing with three teammates who potentially deserve All-American honors for THIS SEASON. I've been a big fan of UConn basketball since 1995. To my best recollection, neither Diana, Maya or Stewie played with three additional All-Americans on the same team, in the same season. The main point I was making is that Lou is playing with (IMO) a much better and more talented supporting cast than the other three named super stars did in the same season.

Based on what I wrote, it doesn't matter what the NCAA rule is. Why? Because All-American honors are awarded by several different groups/associations (i.e., the AP, WBCA and USBWA). That means it's possible Lou, Phee, Gabby, Kia and Z could all be honored by these different associations this season as their team selections could be very different. (Personally, at this point in the season, I don't believe Z will make it but there's still a lot of games to play. Anyway, that's why I said three additional teammates instead of four).

You took what I wrote (which you still haven't gotten the meaning of correct) different than I intended it. You quoted what I said correctly, but interpreted it entirely wrong.
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[Bajan Best]

Interesting stuff: IMHO, persons who deserve to be listed as the four greatest players of all time, especially when it comes to UCONN because of the numerous talented and unselfish players recruited by this program, I believe this should be considered: Were you clearly the BEST/DOMINANT player on the team, EACH YEAR you played..? if the answer to that is no, then you should be on the outside looking in..

How much difference is there really between Katie Lou and Svetlana, Mariah, Shea, Tina, Sue or Nakesha? All UCONN Greats who consistently had major impact at this storied program

 

[Mister2]

Since a basketball team has 5 players, I don't quite understand the fascination many seem to have about the Mt. Rushmore allegory, which arbitrarily restricts the choice to 4 players. A more meaningful question seems to be the choosing of the 5 players who would make up the GOAT team at a given point in time.

I am a big KLS fan, but if I were asked to assemble the GOAT team at this juncture, I would not, and could not, have picked her; the stats simply do not support such a choice. To be fair, I don't think the OP is claiming she is already on the Mt. Rushmore either. Could she be on the GOAT team at some future point in time when her UCONN career is over? The answer is obviously yes. Whether she would be will depend a lot on how she performs during the rest of this season and the next. One thing I am quite certain though is that, based on her current performance trajectory, it would take a major calamity (such as a serious injury) to occur to not consider her as ONE of the greatest UCONN players ever (specifically, if one can have a GOAT first team and a GOAT second team, I think KLS's chance to be on the latter is pretty secure).

 

[JustinesGuy]

How is lobo not a lock for top 4?!? Coming from someone that watched her play, she was quite dominating in her generation. She was the single most important recruit in the history of the program, and led us to, at the time, the impossible.

The problem a lot of people on here don't remember her game, if they did that forth slot would not be so easily up for grabs. Lobo might not have Lou's smile, nor her three point shooting but she was more of an impact player. Let's not forget.

 

[cohenzone]

I am a bit surprised there is no real pushback to this idea. I love Lou's game and go so far as to say I think she is the MVP of the team and she does about everything very well but the gap between her and some of our other players is not that large. More to the point, I assume Rushmore still has 4 players max and I cant imagine ever pushing out DT, Maya or Stewie. Unless Lou became a player that dominates WCBB to the point that there would be no doubt she is NPOY as well as pulling our team to multiple NC as an MVP, I would place Rebecca Lobo as number 4 not for her overall game but her importance to building UConn's legacy.

In Geno's words on his last show in answering the importance of Lou and Gabby to the team, he said all our players have strength and weaknesses and some players cover their weaknesses better than others. You need diversity of skills. The perfect player would be like Gabby but can shoot like Lou but there are not to many Maya Moore's around.

This illustrates the dichotomy between the real Mt Rushmores and the 2nd tier of great players that UConn develops.

Lobo is George Washington. He was not among the top four as a President, but without him, the world would have been far different. Lobo belongs on the mountain. A terrific rebounder and shot blocker who could score in so many ways and a-leader . Could be the UConn mountain needs a few more than 4. Ruth, Gehrig, DiMaggio and Mantle, but what the heck do you do with Yogi, Whitey, Derek and Mariano? Nice problem to have.

 

[Bajan Best]

How is lobo not a lock for top 4?!? Coming from someone that watched her play, she was quite dominating in her generation. She was the single most important recruit in the history of the program, and led us to, at the time, the impossible.

The problem a lot of people on here don't remember her game, if they did that forth slot would not be so easily up for grabs. Lobo might not have Lou's smile, nor her three point shooting but she was more of an impact player. Let's not forget.

So dominant in fact, that she was the first female basketballer to land a shoe deal with Nike, creating her own shoe... Madame Pioneer, one of the four pillars of the newly created WNBA.. That was how dominant Rebecca's play was in her time at Storrs. She's definately A lock in my book.. I challenge anyone to name me four players who had a greater impact on any Husky Team..

 

[cohenzone]

How is lobo not a lock for top 4?!? Coming from someone that watched her play, she was quite dominating in her generation. She was the single most important recruit in the history of the program, and led us to, at the time, the impossible.

The problem a lot of people on here don't remember her game, if they did that forth slot would not be so easily up for grabs. Lobo might not have Lou's smile, nor her three point shooting but she was more of an impact player. Let's not forget.

I have a cousin who was a leading sportswriter for a big city paper. When Lobo got that big sneaker contract, I told him he should do a story about it. He said no way. She was not Michael Jordan. And I told him that is precisely why it was a big story. Jordan signing an endorsement deal wasn’t news. In the years since, he has become the father of two daughters and an admirer of the Huskies of the female variety.

 

[JustinesGuy]

So dominant in fact, that she was the first female basketballer to land a shoe deal with Nike, creating her own shoe... Madame Pioneer, one of the four pillars of the newly created WNBA.. That was how dominant Rebecca's play was in her time at Storrs. She's definately A lock in my book.. I challenge anyone to name me four players who had a greater impact on any Husky Team..

Of course your 100% correct. I dont think Lou can crack Lobo, DT, MM, or STEWIE.
Now this is 100% no knock on Lou, I think she's absolutely an amazing player and getting better and more complete every year.

Is lou the best of the rest? Maybe?! Is sue bird the next best? I guess there's the argument.

 

[CBear01]

For the last time! I was clearly talking about this season! So, Lou is playing with three teammates who potentially deserve All-American honors for THIS SEASON. I've been a big fan of UConn basketball since 1995. To my best recollection, neither Diana, Maya or Stewie played with three additional All-Americans on the same team, in the same season. The main point I was making is that Lou is playing with (IMO) a much better and more talented supporting cast than the other three named super stars did in the same season.

Based on what I wrote, it doesn't matter what the NCAA rule is. Why? Because All-American honors are awarded by several different groups/associations (i.e., the AP, WBCA and USBWA). That means it's possible Lou, Phee, Gabby, Kia and Z could all be honored by these different associations this season as their team selections could be very different. (Personally, at this point in the season, I don't believe Z will make it but there's still a lot of games to play. Anyway, that's why I said three additional teammates instead of four).

You took what I wrote (which you still haven't gotten the meaning of correct) different than I intended it. You quoted what I said correctly, but interpreted it entirely wrong.
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Yeah I guess when Diana played she didn't have the all American help IN THE SAME SEASON as Cash, Jones, Bird. Taurasi was phenomenal that season.

And Stewie definitely didnt play IN THE SAME SEASON as all americans Tuck, Jefferson, and KML. If they only went undefeated...

Lol you see how rediculous this is getting? We get that you like Lou, we all like her! But there's no difference between the team she is on IN THIS SEASON with the hype of all the potential all americans and the teams Stewie and Diana etc were on. Stars at UCONN shine brightest when they help the other stars shine around them.

 

[DefenseBB]

There wouldn’t be a Mt Rushmore if it weren’t for Rebecca Lobo...I’m very confused as to how she could be left off this list, unless we’re simply debating best players without regard to their impact on the program. She led the team to first championship, won the wade trophy, and set the stage for all players who followed her.

Actually, Kerry Bascom was the first but I get your point. I think any discussion for the Rushmore consideration needs to start with NPLOY, and now with the bar so high, multiple AA's and Nat'l Championship rings. So yes, Rebecca help elevate the program just like Ben Franklin elevated the United States of America, giving it credibility, logic and a "can do" attitude. He, unfortunately also is not on Mt Rushmore but without him, there is no Rushmore...respectfully submitted-DefenseBB

 

[JustinesGuy]

Actually, Kerry Bascom was the first but I get your point. I think any discussion for the Rushmore consideration needs to start with NPLOY, and now with the bar so high, multiple AA's and Nat'l Championship rings. So yes, Rebecca help elevate the program just like Ben Franklin elevated the United States of America, giving it credibility, logic and a "can do" attitude. He, unfortunately also is not on Mt Rushmore but without him, there is no Rushmore...respectfully submitted-DefenseBB

Ben franklin was too old to be president. He died in 1790. If he was on par age and health wise as Washington and Jefferson he certainly would have be president and probably given mt Rushmore status.

 

[hoophuskee]

How is lobo not a lock for top 4?!? Coming from someone that watched her play, she was quite dominating in her generation. She was the single most important recruit in the history of the program, and led us to, at the time, the impossible.

The problem a lot of people on here don't remember her game, if they did that forth slot would not be so easily up for grabs. Lobo might not have Lou's smile, nor her three point shooting but she was more of an impact player. Let's not forget.

You asked the question-- here is the answer. IMO your opinion of Lobo shouldn't be set in stone. And because Mt Rushmore is silly because it has nothing to do with basketball, you're asking if she belongs on the top 4. What does Mt Rushmore even mean? It becomes "arbitrary /selective." I agree with you in that Lobo was dominant. I've changed my mind over the years and would put Lobo as the center or Stewie as the center and Lobo as a pf for UCONN's all-time 5 over Tina. Lobo can play both c and pf. But as far as "the single most important recruit in the history of the program." What does that even mean? And why is she more important than the others? For example, Bascom? Do we all recognize how amazing Bascom was and what she did? You recognize "single most important recruit" - then I think some are using that along with she was NPOY. But they are two different things. Which makes this Rushmore mention even all the more silly. It has no meaning. But again I agree Lobo was awesome/dominant!

1- Would Lobo have come if there were no Bascom to get UCONN to the Final Four? Didn't Kay Yow say that she was the one that set-up Geno? It was the upset of NC State getting to the final four according to Yow that put Geno on the map, - wasn't it? Can't it be argued in this manner? I can't find the quote now, but I know she said something to the effect her loss helped make Geno/UCONN. So maybe it was Bascom that set the stage? Lobo's family didn't want Rebecca to go to UCONN, right? If UCONN lost to NC State as they were supposed to and didn't get tot the final four, possibly Lobo never comes because she doesn't feel they cna get to championship level?

2- Would Maya Moore have come if there were no Tina Charles? The UCONN program had leveled off after DT left. Three straight years no final four - and their rankings were anywhere from 6-16? In addition, I was there in Hartford when North Carolina ripped UCONN apart in 05-06. The year before they beat UCONN too. And in 05-06 the classy UCONN fans gave Ivory Latta a standing ovation I believe. Tennessee was the elite program (along with LSU and North Carolina, Stanford and Duke. Do you remember UCONN was losing recruiting battles with Duke?) we were during that time with Parker. Rutgers was giving UCONN fits. Unfortunately- with Tenn we had to witness Parker dunking on UCONN/ beat UCONN - I was there for that. Never thought UCONN was better than Tennessee during the Parker era until Maya came. Then I thought we at least had a chance. What makes you so sure Maya would have came if Tina Charles wasn't there? At least I can be skeptical of anyone's confidence that Maya would have come anyways, right?

The year before Tina came UCONN got wiped out by Standard pretty good in the S16. Then when Jess Moore graduated, look at UCONN's rebound margin in 05-06. We have about a +3 margin. Without Tina and UCONN getting to the Elite 8, I am not as confident if you or anyone else that would suggest that UCONN would have gotten Maya anyways. Maya I'm sure wanted to win championships. And without a big - I'm not so sure she wins championships. And then without Maya . . .

3- And I see no problem with putting the better players on a list. It's an opinion. Mt Rushmore and basketball don't have any correlation anyways. It's based on opinion and fantasy sports. I can understand both sides of Rebecca on or off.

 

[Los24]

Hey Digger! As usual I love your posts!! Wish you posted more.

Regarding Bird/MoJeff- I don't know what else to do when I throw those efficiency numbers out there. Just like assists to turnovers as well. Heck the joke with Swin Cash was that she'd miss easy shots just so she can pad her offensive rebound numbers - so she must have brned Bird's assist number? j/k. Though it was a joke but a lesser player can hurt a pg's assist to turnovers etc. And who played the tougher schedule? Is today's game better scouted than the past etc?

So when I read from some that Bird is better. The line is something like "I never saw anyone run the team like her." So when I throw the stats out there in which MoJeff has the better assist to turnover ratio and the better shooting % -- the stats from MoJeff are super great. An efg% of 61+% PLUS taking care of the ball in the manner she did- that has to count for something. My comments don't mean to suggest MoJeff is the better offensive player. But MoJeff shouldn't be discarded. And ofc why this is all so hard an basically subjective - on the flip side a lot of her offense came from her defense than Bird. SO when MoJeff has had a breakaway and she scores on a gimme layup it's not really her offense. Thus her offensive fg% has quite a bit due to her defense as well as her passing. If she went in her prime college career vs Bird would she be able to affect Bird's efficiency?" We shall never know. Yet how about Bird? Those teams in her era used to press fullcourt a lot I think. Many teams just couldn't deal with it. SO was Bird of 01-02 in which her team caused 19 turnovers per game actually more available to make direct passes for assists than MoJeff's 15-16 team that caused 20 turnovers per game?

Imo some of these comes to down to preference and perception. Do you know what I wish? A game created that you can draft UCONN players and set up some type of tournament online in which the game is played out-- a best of 7 series - or a regular season - then the playoffs then you ultimately you advance. It won't prove a darn thing but it would be fun -- a computer simulation of a prime college Bird vs a prime college MoJeff etc.

All I want to add is that with all the gifted athletes including our own Gabby and Kelly (past) I have never seen a better perimeter defender than Mo.

 

[Los24]

Katie Lou is very much an improved player this year. Her defense, rebounds and post moves are much better. She is a fan favorite no doubt.
You can't seriously look at the statistics and place Katie Lou on Uconn Mt Rushmore. A comparative look at her versus the Uconn all time greats year by year does not support this.

I like the conversation and it fun to cheer our favorite. Looking at the numbers objectively just doesn't pan out.

Her story is not done... but she was starting and contributing in March her freshman year before hurting her foot before the final. Then avg 20 points a game her Soph year and AA. She is avg 19+ and may finish at 20ppg while being better in almost every area of her game to a most likely AA selection (and heavily favored NC.)

These stats are not impressive enough to warrant a conversation? I guess at the end she could be a 3x AA, 3x NC, finish near the top of Uconn career points and 3s, and maybe NPOY ( again book not finished,) is not enough statistics? Wow... wonder what you would need then by someone in the middle of junior year?

What I think she misses most is the swagger the other 3 have, which were all displayed in a different way.

 

[RockyMTblue2]

"What I think she misses most is the swagger the other 3 have, which were all displayed in a different way."

Lou won't put it out there like DT, but she has plenty of swagger, just in a Cool Hand Luke sort of way.

 

[Bajan Best]

You asked the question-- here is the answer. IMO your opinion of Lobo shouldn't be set in stone. And because Mt Rushmore is silly because it has nothing to do with basketball, you're asking if she belongs on the top 4. What does Mt Rushmore even mean? It becomes "arbitrary /selective." I agree with you in that Lobo was dominant. I've changed my mind over the years and would put Lobo as the center or Stewie as the center and Lobo as a pf for UCONN's all-time 5 over Tina. Lobo can play both c and pf. But as far as "the single most important recruit in the history of the program." What does that even mean? And why is she more important than the others? For example, Bascom? Do we all recognize how amazing Bascom was and what she did? You recognize "single most important recruit" - then I think some are using that along with she was NPOY. But they are two different things. Which makes this Rushmore mention even all the more silly. It has no meaning. But again I agree Lobo was awesome/dominant!

1- Would Lobo have come if there were no Bascom to get UCONN to the Final Four? Didn't Kay Yow say that she was the one that set-up Geno? It was the upset of NC State getting to the final four according to Yow that put Geno on the map, - wasn't it? Can't it be argued in this manner? I can't find the quote now, but I know she said something to the effect her loss helped make Geno/UCONN. So maybe it was Bascom that set the stage? Lobo's family didn't want Rebecca to go to UCONN, right? If UCONN lost to NC State as they were supposed to and didn't get tot the final four, possibly Lobo never comes because she doesn't feel they cna get to championship level?

2- Would Maya Moore have come if there were no Tina Charles? The UCONN program had leveled off after DT left. Three straight years no final four - and their rankings were anywhere from 6-16? In addition, I was there in Hartford when North Carolina ripped UCONN apart in 05-06. The year before they beat UCONN too. And in 05-06 the classy UCONN fans gave Ivory Latta a standing ovation I believe. Tennessee was the elite program (along with LSU and North Carolina, Stanford and Duke. Do you remember UCONN was losing recruiting battles with Duke?) we were during that time with Parker. Rutgers was giving UCONN fits. Unfortunately- with Tenn we had to witness Parker dunking on UCONN/ beat UCONN - I was there for that. Never thought UCONN was better than Tennessee during the Parker era until Maya came. Then I thought we at least had a chance. What makes you so sure Maya would have came if Tina Charles wasn't there? At least I can be skeptical of anyone's confidence that Maya would have come anyways, right?

The year before Tina came UCONN got wiped out by Standard pretty good in the S16. Then when Jess Moore graduated, look at UCONN's rebound margin in 05-06. We have about a +3 margin. Without Tina and UCONN getting to the Elite 8, I am not as confident if you or anyone else that would suggest that UCONN would have gotten Maya anyways. Maya I'm sure wanted to win championships. And without a big - I'm not so sure she wins championships. And then without Maya . . .

3- And I see no problem with putting the better players on a list. It's an opinion. Mt Rushmore and basketball don't have any correlation anyways. It's based on opinion and fantasy sports. I can understand both sides of Rebecca on or off.

I'm not following your reasoning I'm sorry... The objective is to list the 4 greatest PLayers of all time or the ones with the most impact towards success (if that can truly be measured), If Kerry Bascom was a Better player or had more impact than MM, DT, RL or BS then please make a case otherwise she is just another really good player at UCONN..

And When asked why she choose To Attend UCONN, I believe Rebecca answered it was how she felt about Geno, Never once have I heard her say it had anything to do with Kerry Bascom or any other currrent player on the team, as the #1 recruit in the country she could have chosen to go a number of places where they were established programs with other equally or proven talented players, She went against her family wishes because of how she felt about her coach.. How genuine he appeared etc.. Just As most other players UCONN has successfully recruited over the years.. None of us can truly say who might have ended up at Storrs because truly no one knows, the fact remains they did, so stay focused, Who are the greatest of them all? Pick four if you can..

All I know is Rebecca is in the Basketball Hall a fame, name me another ex-UCONN female player who is currently there? If that alone does not say why she should be considered one of the four greatest players to date, I don't know what is?

 

[oldude]

I'm not following your reasoning I'm sorry... The objective is to list the 4 greatest PLayers of all time or the ones with the most impact towards success (if that can truly be measured), If Kerry Bascom was a Better player or had more impact than MM, DT, RL or BS then please make a case otherwise she is just another really good player at UCONN..

And When asked why she choose To Attend UCONN, I believe Rebecca answered it was how she felt about Geno, Never once have I heard her say it had anything to do with Kerry Bascom or any other currrent player on the team, as the #1 recruit in the country she could have chosen to go a number of places where they were established programs with other equally or proven talented players, She went against her family wishes because of how she felt about her coach.. How genuine he appeared etc.. Just As most other players UCONN has successfully recruited over the years.. None of us can truly say who might have ended up at Storrs because truly no one knows, the fact remains they did, so stay focused, Who are the greatest of them all? Pick four if you can..

All I know is Rebecca is in the Basketball Hall a fame, name me another ex-UCONN female player who is currently there? If that alone does not say why she should be considered one of the four greatest players to date, I don't know what is?

One of the reasons that Rebecca is the only former UConn WBB player in the Hall of Fame, is that players are not voted in until their playing days are over. DT, Maya, Sue, Stewie and perhaps others will all be enshrined in Springfield when they’re done playing.

Different story for coaches. Geno, Tara, MM, C Viv, Hatchell are all enshrined.

 

[Bajan Best]

One of the reasons that Rebecca is the only former UConn WBB player in the Hall of Fame, is that players are not voted in until their playing days are over. DT, Maya, Sue, Stewie and perhaps others will all be enshrined in Springfield when they’re done playing.

Different story for coaches. Geno, Tara, MM, C Viv, Hatchell are all enshrined.

I'm fully aware of that sir PLus her contributions to basketball outside of playing,
Kerry Bascom, Nakesha, Svetlana are no longer playing and it is Rebecca who gets the nod so far, that should give some credibility as to her impact as a player in her time, I could further argue Rebecca was probably never second to anyone she played with on her team at Storrs..

 

[HumblePie]

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Yeah I guess when Diana played she didn't have the all American help IN THE SAME SEASON as Cash, Jones, Bird. Taurasi was phenomenal that season.

Jones was a 3rd team All-American that year and besides the University of UConn (understandably) she isn't recognized as such.

And Stewie definitely didnt play IN THE SAME SEASON as all americans Tuck, Jefferson, and KML. If they only went undefeated...

Tuck was NOT an All-American that year!

Lol you see how rediculous this is getting? We get that you like Lou, we all like her! But there's no difference between the team she is on IN THIS SEASON with the hype of all the potential all americans and the teams Stewie and Diana etc were on.

Well, once you correct your above statements to actual FACTS, I believe there is a significant difference! [ ]