Lou's Journey towards Mt Rushmore

[diggerfoot]

This thread has so much good food for thought. As to Rushmore, I agree with eebmg. The real Rushmore includes Washington, the first president. Being first and limiting his terms when others would have made him king makes him perhaps the most deserving figure, even though the other three may have more impressive executive office resumes. Just so, I support Lobo's permanent placement on the Mount because she ushered in the first NC and she personified all the characteristics on and off the court that became part of the ongoing UConn mystique. Though, as for downgrading Samuelson because she is surrounded by others of like importance, it should be noted that Lobo played with two other "players of the year," including best point guard and center, the two most valuable positions, and a fourth person who may have been the most talented of the whole bunch.

I agree with UcMiami that Samuelson was more than a shooter even coming to UConn. I don't pay much attention to recruits until after they put on a UConn uniform, but even I saw enough highlights to know that Samuelson was a scorer, not just a shooter, who could get to the basket well. She also was reported as being tough in high school; I think it's part of the California rep that led others to doubt that until she played on a broken foot and after puking in a bucket.

I would not compare Samuelson's "court sense" to Moore's. I think the word "instinctive" is more appropriate for Moore. Well into her upperclassmen years Auriemma made fun of Moore for not really knowing where to be, yet ending up at the right place at the right time to make the the right shot (that usually went in). Moore personifies effort and instinct, but not so much the "court sense" of knowing where to be and seeing things before they happened, like Taurasi, or Samuelson. I am not saying Samuelson is as good as Taurasi or Moore (or Stewart, who I think she most resembles), just that her "cerebrals" are more like Taurasi than Moore.

In this regards I give a shout out to Mater Dei, because I thought KML also had great court sense coming in. Both fit well early in their UConn careers because they compensated for not being the greatest natural defenders with knowing what is going on in the system and how they should fit in (I also thought KML had a more complete offensive game from the get go than she was credited). Since Mater Dei is a common denominator, I suspect that might have something to do with it.

Be well all and Happy New Year!

 

[boontonbomber]

Keep in mind that the generally rated #2 president, FDR, is not on Rushmore. It's fun to refer to Rushmore in discussion of the great UConn players, but also keep in mind that there have been a whole lot more great UConn players than there have been great presidents. As Rushmore is limited, leaving out FDR, to limit UConn discussion to 4 is not fair. Anyway, I think it's impossible to compare players who play different positions; definitely better to rate by position, as vball coach said in earlier post. In which case, 2 of the positions, in my mind are easy; best point guard goes without saying, and best center is Tina Charles. Best wing or forward? There are 3 who are the best, again they don't have to be named. Samuelson may very well join that group of wings/forwards, as she gets stronger and quicker.

 

[iamcbs]

Kelsey Mitchell has to go on the top line and I'm glad people are starting to appreciate Ionescu.....

 

[eebmg]

Kelsey Mitchell has to go on the top line and I'm glad people are starting to appreciate Ionescu.....

Everyone on the BY appreciated Ionescu from the beginning. Mitchell is far more an acquired taste.

 

[iamcbs]

Yes, Lou is one fine player, but...
Geno's comment about low scoring when Lou was on the bench, was amended right after with, "Lou and Gabby".
My point is that this is clearly an ensemble team, without a standout like the first 3 on the Mount.
There is no resemblance to, e.g, DT holding up the rest of the crew in '04.
Kia's a 1st rate defender and possesses the best 3 pt % in America.
Gabby is an other-worldly athlete who's the disruptive Lawrence Taylor of wcbb.
Pheesa's a super finisher; Z & CD are contributing nicely in an above average fashion.
I just don't see the singling out of Katie Lou as an accurate perception.

Just watch how much differently the team plays when she's not in the game, maybe your perception will change....

 

[iamcbs]

Just because you haven't acquired a taste for her doesn't mean that she's not one of the 3 best WCBB players in the country today. Her talent and ability doesn't require that you like her....

 

[RockyMTblue2]

@iamcbs your posts are a bit - okay more than a bit - off topic.

 

[RockyMTblue2]

Whenever this Rushmore thing makes an appearance I feel compelled to say: We need a bigger mountain.

 

[DefenseBB]

After Geno's comment, I began thinking along somewhat the same lines, oldude, though not nearly as articulately or fully as you.

Lou is amazing, and improving all the time. But I don't think she quite deserves to be on Mt Rushmore. That's D, Maya, and Stewie territory, and Lou just doesn't get up there, IMHO. Even when her 3s are dropping like spring rain, she just can't take over a game quite as completely as they did.

You highlight Lou's leadership skills, which are manifested by her stellar ability to take charges and by her emotional displays. But there's another skill that I think Geno meant most: Lou has fantastic court sense (to distinguish it from my2cents's judgment, which I agree with, about Maya's supernal basketball instincts). She moves constantly, and keeps the flow moving for all 5 players. That's really what question Geno was answering: why was the UConn offense so listless. Because everyone was sort of standing around without Lou's motion, creativity, and constant thread to pop a couple of 3s in a row. She is the straw that stirs the drink. But in 2 years, when Geno gives her more freedom, Meg could well be the drink.

Bags, I always respect your opinion and perspective, however on this opinion we must part. With 1.5 years left and the noted improvement that our fine colleague Oldude articulated so eloquently, I want to remind you we are saying she would be 4th, not supplanting any of the other supernatural 3. Her competition is Lobo, Bird and probably Tina Charles. That the current team is significantly better with KLS on the floor (I like KLS over “Lou” so please bear with my indulgence) which was evidences in her absences due to her foot injury and by Geno himself last night. She is, to coin a phrase, the straw that stirs this Long Island ice tea of potent alcohols!
As she developed more swagger/confidence with big games against big competition, she will have the opportunity for that profile to be chiseled. Remember, DT had tremendous support her 1st 2 years and NO support her last two so the team had to rely on her and gave her the opportunity to shine (and boy did she!). Maya came in after a few years of drought and helped elevate Tina and make UConn the most relevant program over Tenn. Stewie, well she just absolutely became whatever we needed to stay on top and had other team already intimidated before the games. She put UConn in EXALTED status where it is Expect for UConn to reload and win.
After those 3, KLS certainly can rise to #4 but she does need a NPOY award to be considered.

 

[DefenseBB]

Yes, Lou is one fine player, but...
Geno's comment about low scoring when Lou was on the bench, was amended right after with, "Lou and Gabby".
My point is that this is clearly an ensemble team, without a standout like the first 3 on the Mount.
There is no resemblance to, e.g, DT holding up the rest of the crew in '04.
Kia's a 1st rate defender and possesses the best 3 pt % in America.
Gabby is an other-worldly athlete who's the disruptive Lawrence Taylor of wcbb.
Pheesa's a super finisher; Z & CD are contributing nicely in an above average fashion.
I just don't see the singling out of Katie Lou as an accurate perception.

Wirechief, I don’t think anyone is dismissing the other GREAT players and to clarify Maya, has Tina for 3 years, Stewie had KML, Steph and Bria for a few and Morgan/Moriah for all 4 and we are not taking away their contributions. We are only discussing who we think is the lead actor in an academy award winning movie/play. That’s what forums are for. So I stand by Oldude’s, mine and others posts with the caveat we are not diminishing any other of our outstanding team members contributions. Kindly and respectfully submitted-DefenseBB

 

[Phil]

I think the Mt Rushmore concept itself is a bit limiting. (I believe the sculpture was originally intended to include more presidents as well). My mind game through the years has always been to think of the best five or alternately 10. We have had too many incredible players.

Not just more presidents, I read recently that the plan was to be more than just heads, maybe from waist up or so. But they ran out of funding.

 

[dtbtbtb]

I'm impressed by the strides Lou made on defense. When she played for the US U17 team I was thinking she was one of the worst defenders I've seen (she couldn't guard a chair...literarily as that chair would drive past her). Well, look at her now...moving her feet, sliding, covering space, having her hands up, taking charges, switching on defense, help defense...she is not Gabby and never be but she became a reliable defender.
She is one of my favorites on the team and love watching her play as it's clear she just loves the game and loves to play it. She could average 25-30 points a game on basically every team in the country but in UConn she is a total team player and her assists are indeed Bird (Larry) like.
Will she get to be that 4th best UConn player of all time? we'll see....but she is already IMO one of the top 15 with the possibility on going higher and higher.

 

[JordyG]

Lou’s constant movement isn’t confined to the basketball court. Whenever she’s interviewed she is constantly bobbing and weaving from side to side. At first, I found that a little disconcerting, but now that I’ve grown accustomed to it, it’s just one more thing I like about Lou.

I still get seasick watching her interviews.

 

[bags27]

Just watch how much differently the team plays when she's not in the game, maybe your perception will change....

UConn came back from down 11 and pulled away from Notre Dame in the final period, with Lou on the bench. Just sayin'

 

[oldude]

UConn came back from down 11 and pulled away from Notre Dame in the final period, with Lou on the bench. Just sayin'

I absolutely agree, but would respectfully point out that with ND threatening to put the game out of reach in the 3rd qtr, Lou was spectacular on both ends of the court keeping the Huskies within range before going down with an injury early in the 4th qtr. While she wasn't around for the finish, Lou's heroic effort on a bum ankle was inspiring.

 

[bags27]

I absolutely agree, but would respectfully point out that with ND threatening to put the game out of reach in the 3rd qtr, Lou was spectacular on both ends of the court keeping the Huskies within range before going down with an injury early in the 4th qtr. While she wasn't around for the finish, Lou's heroic effort on a bum ankle was inspiring.

I think Lou's previous injury was pretty well healed. I watched her warm up and she looked loose and confident, and Geno thought all week that she'd play. Not knocking Lou: she's a warrior (think Maryland game last year). My point is that with both her and Gabby on the bench the 4th Q, UConn came back. Z and Meg really stepped up. I really believe that the top 7 players on this team are pretty much interchangeable. When one or two are down, others step up.

 

[PAHuskeyFan]

UConn came back from down 11 and pulled away from Notre Dame in the final period, with Lou on the bench. Just sayin'

That is absolutely true...but let's not forget Lou was on the bench because of injury, and Z had her best UConn game to that point...and Lou provided 18 points (team leader for the game) in less than 3 quarters of playing time. So, clearly she was doing her part to keep UConn close through that time.
On the same line of discussion, Lou has taken over games when others seemed to fade (?? not sure that's the right word)... most notably the barf bowl in MD in 2016... USF in AAC Championship game 2017 and more

I don't know enough about Husky History to debate 4th seat on a imaginary mountain, but Lou's contributions to this year's Team have been pretty important... so let's revel in that... and root the Team to another National Championship.

Just sayin'

 

[Golden Husky]

What's left to say? Did anyone mention that Lou's team-best assist-to-turnover rate this season is one dish shy of 3-1?

 

[mhshuskies]

This thread has so much good food for thought. As to Rushmore, I agree with eebmg. The real Rushmore includes Washington, the first president. Being first and limiting his terms when others would have made him king makes him perhaps the most deserving figure, even though the other three may have more impressive executive office resumes. Just so, I support Lobo's permanent placement on the Mount because she ushered in the first NC and she personified all the characteristics on and off the court that became part of the ongoing UConn mystique. Though, as for downgrading Samuelson because she is surrounded by others of like importance, it should be noted that Lobo played with two other "players of the year," including best point guard and center, the two most valuable positions, and a fourth person who may have been the most talented of the whole bunch.

I agree with UcMiami that Samuelson was more than a shooter even coming to UConn. I don't pay much attention to recruits until after they put on a UConn uniform, but even I saw enough highlights to know that Samuelson was a scorer, not just a shooter, who could get to the basket well. She also was reported as being tough in high school; I think it's part of the California rep that led others to doubt that until she played on a broken foot and after puking in a bucket.

I would not compare Samuelson's "court sense" to Moore's. I think the word "instinctive" is more appropriate for Moore. Well into her upperclassmen years Auriemma made fun of Moore for not really knowing where to be, yet ending up at the right place at the right time to make the the right shot (that usually went in). Moore personifies effort and instinct, but not so much the "court sense" of knowing where to be and seeing things before they happened, like Taurasi, or Samuelson. I am not saying Samuelson is as good as Taurasi or Moore (or Stewart, who I think she most resembles), just that her "cerebrals" are more like Taurasi than Moore.

In this regards I give a shout out to Mater Dei, because I thought KML also had great court sense coming in. Both fit well early in their UConn careers because they compensated for not being the greatest natural defenders with knowing what is going on in the system and how they should fit in (I also thought KML had a more complete offensive game from the get go than she was credited). Since Mater Dei is a common denominator, I suspect that might have something to do with it.

Be well all and Happy New Year!

I don’t disagree with Lobo being considered as the fourth. However, if the criteria was the first great player, even Geno would tell you that was Kerry Bascom.

 

[Lynx23]

That is absolutely true...but let's not forget Lou was on the bench because of injury, and Z had her best UConn game to that point...and Lou provided 18 points (team leader for the game) in less than 3 quarters of playing time. So, clearly she was doing her part to keep UConn close through that time.
On the same line of discussion, Lou has taken over games when others seemed to fade (?? not sure that's the right word)... most notably the barf bowl in MD in 2016... USF in AAC Championship game 2017 and more

I don't know enough about Husky History to debate 4th seat on a imaginary mountain, but Lou's contributions to this year's Team have been pretty important... so let's revel in that... and root the Team to another National Championship.

Just sayin'

Regarding the ND game, Lou did score the most points but she was also 5-10 with 6 points coming at the free-throw line. Not her best game. You can argue that her points put UCONN in a position to win but, frankly, so did everyone else's up to that point. Yet, history shows that we were down 8 points going into the 4th. Stevens generally gets the credit for bringing the team back but people overlook the fact that Kia scored 7 points in a row in that quarter (if my memory serves me well) and surely a stellar defensive effort on her part as well as others contributed to the fact that UCONN outscored ND 26-7 in that quarter. Lou, God bless her, as good as she is, had nothing to do with that. One of her fans went so far as to suggest that she was the game's BADASS because she made a Willis Reed appearance with injury in the closing seconds to will the team to victory (major eye roll). I get it, she has a lot of fans on this board but none of her accomplishments, or those of the other players, exist in a vacuum. If a player is scoring the most points in any given game, there's a good chance it's the result of unselfish team play, which really is this team's mantra.

 

[DefenseBB]

I still get seasick watching her interviews.

Ok, I agree, so she has ONE thing she really still needs to work on....

 

[DefenseBB]

I think Lou's previous injury was pretty well healed. I watched her warm up and she looked loose and confident, and Geno thought all week that she'd play. Not knocking Lou: she's a warrior (think Maryland game last year). My point is that with both her and Gabby on the bench the 4th Q, UConn came back. Z and Meg really stepped up. I really believe that the top 7 players on this team are pretty much interchangeable. When one or two are down, others step up.

I respect ND and Muffet more than any other program, however if anyone on here really thinks ND has/had the talent to stay within this team with all the injuries, no versatile big (yes I am slighting the former #3 ranked Nebraska transfer who is woefully out of shape) and no depth is not really paying attention. I wasn’t really worried and feel just like in 2013 when we played ND in the Tourney that even after 3 close defeats, we would beat them and it wasn’t close. I feel the same way this year if we meet them again, it will not be close. So I hear ya on KLS not being on the floor when the official “taking the lead occurred, however I again agree with Oldude (is this now a pattern?) that the writing was on the wall when KLS helped get us back. We have the whole remaining season and two bi OOC games to assess.

 

[PAHuskeyFan]

Regarding the ND game, Lou did score the most points but she was also 5-10 with 6 points coming at the free-throw line. Not her best game. You can argue that her points put UCONN in a position to win but, frankly, so did everyone else's up to that point. Yet, history shows that we were down 8 points going into the 4th. Stevens generally gets the credit for bringing the team back but people overlook the fact that Kia scored 7 points in a row in that quarter (if my memory serves me well) and surely a stellar defensive effort on her part as well as others contributed to the fact that UCONN outscored ND 26-7 in that quarter. Lou, God bless her, as good as she is, had nothing to do with that. One of her fans went so far as to suggest that she was the game's BADASS because she made a Willis Reed appearance with injury in the closing seconds to will the team to victory (major eye roll). I get it, she has a lot of fans on this board but none of her accomplishments, or those of the other players, exist in a vacuum. If a player is scoring the most points in any given game, there's a good chance it's the result of unselfish team play, which really is this team's mantra.

Well, OK...

So, I responded to someone commenting that neither Lou nor Gabby played a part in the comeback vs ND...presumably an effort to show neither was that important to the effort(??). I just wanted to show that while she was "on the bench" due to injury, she still played a big part in the TEAM win, and she helped put the Team in position to be able to pull it out... true I did not spell out the contributions of everyone else on the Team, that wasn't my intent (And I didn't mention Gabby's points because she didn't have many in that game)...and I wasn't meaning to discount the contributions of anyone else. WE all know, UConn wins as a TEAM...

As for the "Willis Reed Moment" comments,... blame that on the TV announcers...they made the reference, 1st when she ran back to the bench from the locker room with about 5 (??) minutes to go...and then when Geno put her in the game. So, it was just folks repeating what the announcers said.

 

[hugefan]

Regarding the ND game, Lou did score the most points but she was also 5-10 with 6 points coming at the free-throw line. Not her best game. You can argue that her points put UCONN in a position to win but, frankly, so did everyone else's up to that point. Yet, history shows that we were down 8 points going into the 4th. Stevens generally gets the credit for bringing the team back but people overlook the fact that Kia scored 7 points in a row in that quarter (if my memory serves me well) and surely a stellar defensive effort on her part as well as others contributed to the fact that UCONN outscored ND 26-7 in that quarter. Lou, God bless her, as good as she is, had nothing to do with that. One of her fans went so far as to suggest that she was the game's BADASS because she made a Willis Reed appearance with injury in the closing seconds to will the team to victory (major eye roll). I get it, she has a lot of fans on this board but none of her accomplishments, or those of the other players, exist in a vacuum. If a player is scoring the most points in any given game, there's a good chance it's the result of unselfish team play, which really is this team's mantra.

LOL not her best game, you use a 50% FG as an example against the number 2 team in the nation and getting to the free throw line as negatives but God bless you for trying to knock her for that, I mean without her efforts on both ends we would have been down closer to 30.

 

[Carnac]

Lou is great. Just the fact that we can have this discussion shows how much so. But if you're talking top four in the program, we have to compare her to Sue Bird.

When the topic of UConn's Mount Rushmore is brought up, I agree with Oldude's assessment that 3 of the spots are permanently carved in stone, while the 4th spot remains in a constant state of flux. This could be a topic for discussion and debate the entire summer, every summer, and still not achieve a majority consensus or a satisfactory resolution come October.

This program has too many All-Americans, Olympic Gold medalist, and otherwise Great players that have come through, since Geno's arrival and made a name for themselves. Some would argue that Lobo and/or Bird should be there, many think It's impossible to have a 4th player's likeness permanently etched in that last spot, and everyone (or most) agree with it.

It's very easy to become a prisoner of the moment and think that a player on the current roster (any roster) should be a candidate for inclusion on the mount. Who knows, in 4 years, there may be some folks that will vigorously stump for Megan Walker to rightfully and boldly take that remaining spot!?!

Every Boneyarder has their favorite four. It's their opinion, and most will argue and support the soundness and credibility of that opinion to their grave. They'll give you chapter and verse on why their four should be on the mount if you'll listen. We all have our favorites, and our minds are made up!!!! Nobody is going to make us change our minds.......nobody!!!

I think the best solution to this matter is for each of us to decide who is on our own personal Mount Rushmore, and understand that others may not agree or feel as we do, but none the less be satisfied in our own minds and comfortable that we got it right!!

 

[DefenseBB]

Keep in mind that the generally rated #2 president, FDR, is not on Rushmore. It's fun to refer to Rushmore in discussion of the great UConn players, but also keep in mind that there have been a whole lot more great UConn players than there have been great presidents. As Rushmore is limited, leaving out FDR, to limit UConn discussion to 4 is not fair. Anyway, I think it's impossible to compare players who play different positions; definitely better to rate by position, as vball coach said in earlier post. In which case, 2 of the positions, in my mind are easy; best point guard goes without saying, and best center is Tina Charles. Best wing or forward? There are 3 who are the best, again they don't have to be named. Samuelson may very well join that group of wings/forwards, as she gets stronger and quicker.

As Rushmore was designed, agreed upon and started before FDRs presidency, you lost me on your point as he couldn’t have been considered. But if you want to say something like “a new Mt Rushmore for Presidents” put it as a OT thread and stop being pedantic. As our colleague started this as a “interesting discussion perspective”, the thread was limited to Four per Rushmore so we went with it. If you want to parse to your illogic trying to use positions (the NBA doesn’t do that when siscussing) feel free to start a new thread an not play in our Reindeer games....

 

[DefenseBB]

When the topic of UConn's Mount Rushmore is brought up, I agree with Oldude's assessment that 3 of the spots are permanently carved in stone, while the 4th spot remains in a constant state of flux. This could be a topic for discussion and debate the entire summer, every summer, and still not achieve a majority consensus or a satisfactory resolution come October.

This program has too many All-Americans, Olympic Gold medalist, and otherwise Great players that have come through, since Geno's arrival and made a name for themselves. Some would argue that Lobo and/or Bird should be there, many think It's impossible to have a 4th player's likeness permanently etched in that last spot, and everyone (or most) agree with it.

It's very easy to become a prisoner of the moment and think that a player on the current roster (any roster) should be a candidate for inclusion on the mount. Who knows, in 4 years, there may be some folks that will vigorously stump for Megan Walker to rightfully and boldly take that remaining spot!?!

Every Boneyarder has their favorite four. It's their opinion, and most will argue and support the soundness and credibility of that opinion to their grave. They'll give you chapter and verse on why their four should be on the mount if you'll listen. We all have our favorites, and our minds are made up!!!! Nobody is going to make us change our minds..nobody!!!

But we are allowed to have a fun discussion, right? Or are you against that?
Why is it when a discussion like this is started, people wan to make it definitive? Just go with, politely disagree with the initial premise making a case for your proposition and not be limiting. If you are against the thread and I am not saying that Scoop is, I amjust saying Scoop and others want to either be definitive or not have the discussion as there is no “right answer”. Lighten up people, it brutally cold/snowy storm day here in Ct and we wanted to have some fun!!!

 

[Los24]

My point is that with both her and Gabby on the bench the 4th Q, UConn came back. Z and Meg really stepped up. I really believe that the top 7 players on this team are pretty much interchangeable. When one or two are down, others step up.

This has been a great discussion. I have not had had time to participate as I would like to this year even though I have read plenty, but wanted to chime in because I always thought parts of KLS' game were under appreciated such as her passing (would lead in assists if hockey rules applied) and ball handling. This year you see a big improvement in defense, which also means having very few fouls and much much less than rest of starters/key reserves.

I always had put a premium on KLS' scoring because I think that she can score better outside the flow of the offense more than any other player on the team while also having the most diversity. Many of the teams players high percentage comes on lay ups and open cuts. When the team becomes stagnant on offense I always think give the ball to KLS...

I also think that we should not discount her game because there are other capable players on the team. I mean Mo, Tuck and even KML took over games that Stewie played in. No player wins on their own and rarely no player wins championships without other very good players on the team.

That said, this is UConn and I need to see something(s) special in March from KLS to consider the Mount... meaning taking over games and in spots like Maryland last year or ND this year before getting hurt. Like Stewie her freshman year. When there is a sense of panic or loss of confidence by the team and she says I got this!!! It is hard for her to show because the amount of close games and spots are limited with how good this team is...

I thought her and Gabby showed the most heart in the Miss St game/loss. I thought that game was an opportunity to step up more but physically she struggled against MSST. I also believe she took it to heart and it shows how she came in this season. But 2 more championships is also required because great players do not lose with the amount of talent she has around her.

(On a side note I would consider Mo Jefferson. 4 championships. Her overall game was unbelievable her Junior and Senior seasons. Defense was tenacious, could get to the rim against anyone, became a very good outside shooter and ran the offense like a PG should.)

 

[mhshuskies]

Regarding the ND game, Lou did score the most points but she was also 5-10 with 6 points coming at the free-throw line. Not her best game. You can argue that her points put UCONN in a position to win but, frankly, so did everyone else's up to that point. Yet, history shows that we were down 8 points going into the 4th. Stevens generally gets the credit for bringing the team back but people overlook the fact that Kia scored 7 points in a row in that quarter (if my memory serves me well) and surely a stellar defensive effort on her part as well as others contributed to the fact that UCONN outscored ND 26-7 in that quarter. Lou, God bless her, as good as she is, had nothing to do with that. One of her fans went so far as to suggest that she was the game's BADASS because she made a Willis Reed appearance with injury in the closing seconds to will the team to victory (major eye roll). I get it, she has a lot of fans on this board but none of her accomplishments, or those of the other players, exist in a vacuum. If a player is scoring the most points in any given game, there's a good chance it's the result of unselfish team play, which really is this team's mantra.

But if Lou had played that full 4th quarter in a healthy way we would have outscored nd 35-6. She would have made a significant difference, unlike “Ace” who would not have for an entire game.

 

[Biff]

I can't count how many times this conversation has come up over the last 15-20 years. There is no definitive answer on criteria, and evaluation against that criteria. Should it be 4 or more? Are we just talking players? Does it recognize just the College career or does it include play/contributions after College?
I also have lost track of the number of versions of this graphic I have made over the years. Realizing this conversation will never converge I gave up.

This is one of my last one's where sometime during Stewie's tenure, they had begun to add her on the left. Not sure if they ever finished her head.