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I expect that Maryland to the B1G and Louis
btstimpy said:
Maybe it is now dawning on Dr. Wallace Loh that he's paying the $52 million exit fee, and that makes the financial benefit of the move a lot less appealing. The financial appeal was the only appeal. Most of the Maryland fans hate the idea, and they expressed it this week. I have no idea what's going on.
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So, if Maryland has to pay the $52 million, and decides not to leave instead; then what? Can they stay? Can the ACC make them pay and make them leave?
 
BlueHen said:
I expect that Maryland to the B1G and Louis


So, if Maryland has to pay the $52 million, and decides not to leave instead; then what? Can they stay? Can the ACC make them pay and make them leave?
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No clue. Everything I had read stated that Maryland was happy with the finances of the move even including the $52 million in their calculation. They intended to negotiate the $52 million down, but it is not an amount that they were not aware of before making these plans.
 
btstimpy said:
No clue. Everything I had read stated that Maryland was happy with the finances of the move even including the $52 million in their calculation. They intended to negotiate the $52 million down, but it is not an amount that they were not aware of before making these plans.
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I guess that it's good for UConn if Maryland stays in the ACC. Then both the B1G and ACC will have an odd number of teams.
 
Maryland has resigned the conference...they have been replaced...FINIS
 
billybud said:
Maryland has resigned the conference...they have been replaced...FINIS
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You are probably right, but there could be a legal battle if the ACC forces them out and forces them to pay.
 
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BlueHen said:
You are probably right, but there could be a legal battle if the ACC forces them out and forces them to pay.
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Maryland is no longer a part of the ACC once this current school year ends. Period. There is no scenario where they will be a member on July 1, 2014.

Louisville WILL be a member of the ACC on July 1, 2014. It would outstanding if they were to welcome UConn on the same day.
 
btstimpy said:
Maybe it is now dawning on Dr. Wallace Loh that he's paying the $52 million exit fee, and that makes the financial benefit of the move a lot less appealing. The financial appeal was the only appeal. Most of the Maryland fans hate the idea, and they expressed it this week. I have no idea what's going on.
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Well, the financial appeal and the whole, you know, joining a much more stable league composed almost entirely of like institutions? I've really grown weary of ACC people trying to portray Maryland's move as anything but a slam dunk. Or portraying the move as some sort of heist perpetrated on poor innocent Maryland fans, proud ACC partisans all down to the last loyal Terp, by the nefarious B1G operative Wallace Loh. The ACC got Swofforded and you all are having trouble coming to terms with it. That's fine! I'm an old time Big East fan and I still hate every inch of your guts, so I can't say it will be easy. But possibly you're more well-adjusted and don't hold a grudge like I do.

(With my luck as commentator the Maryland to the B1G deal will somehow blow up after I post this. Full disclosure: I am one of the Boneyard's Rutgers lurkers.)
 
SouthronCross said:
Maryland is no longer a part of the ACC once this current school year ends. Period. There is no scenario where they will be a member on July 1, 2014.

Louisville WILL be a member of the ACC on July 1, 2014. It would outstanding if they were to welcome UConn on the same day.
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I don't disagree, but then what it is the purpose of the articles that caused this thread? Just a writer trying to stir up a story?
 
justinslot said:
Well, the financial appeal and the whole, you know, joining a much more stable league composed almost entirely of like institutions? I've really grown weary of ACC people trying to portray Maryland's move as anything but a slam dunk. Or portraying the move as some sort of heist perpetrated on poor innocent Maryland fans, proud ACC partisans all down to the last loyal Terp, by the nefarious B1G operative Wallace Loh. The ACC got Swofforded and you all are having trouble coming to terms with it. That's fine! I'm an old time Big East fan and I still hate every inch of your guts, so I can't say it will be easy. But possibly you're more well-adjusted and don't hold a grudge like I do.

(With my luck as commentator the Maryland to the B1G deal will somehow blow up after I post this. Full disclosure: I am one of the Boneyard's Rutgers lurkers.)
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A lot of angst there....

1...Maryland is gone from the ACC....and their weak football as well. That's a fact.

2...It is a fact that many Maryland fans felt shanghied by the seceretive move to the Big Ten (including BOT members)..no disputing the public reports.

3...And it is true that some Big East fans will have a never ending hate for an entire conference that borders on neurotic.

4...Rutgers fans should be screaming Halleluja while twitching and having mini seizures of near religious ecstasy at the thought of playin in the B1G. As did WVU fans last year when they were raptured into the Big 12.
 
BlueHen said:
I don't disagree, but then what it is the purpose of the articles that caused this thread? Just a writer trying to stir up a story?
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That is exactly what it is. This issue, save for what the ACC will get from UMD in terms of an exit fee, is settled.
 
justinslot said:
Well, the financial appeal and the whole, you know, joining a much more stable league composed almost entirely of like institutions? I've really grown weary of ACC people trying to portray Maryland's move as anything but a slam dunk. Or portraying the move as some sort of heist perpetrated on poor innocent Maryland fans, proud ACC partisans all down to the last loyal Terp, by the nefarious B1G operative Wallace Loh.

LOL, and, its just as silly that you automatically think that it IS a slam dunk. We don't know either way, and, won't, for years. If the B1G's revenue projections do not pan out as they have stated, it won't be.

What you DO show with this post is how completely uninformed you are of the how the move was made.

The ACC got Swofforded and you all are having trouble coming to terms with it. That's fine! I'm an old time Big East fan and I still hate every inch of your guts, so I can't say it will be easy. But possibly you're more well-adjusted and don't hold a grudge like I do.

The ACC got Swofforded? Thats funny. Maryland's atheltic department was bleeding money. It was $30M in the red. That was not the ACC's fault. It was a move made in secret, possibly in violation of state meetings laws, and out of desperation.

Mad about them leaving? No way. I say good riddance. They did us a favor taking them. They were a drag on the league. We upgraded with Louisville. I wish UMD good luck. They're sure going to need it.

(With my luck as commentator the Maryland to the B1G deal will somehow blow up after I post this. Full disclosure: I am one of the Boneyard's Rutgers lurkers.)
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Out of respect for Nicky, all I will say is congrats to Rutgers on your B1G invite. I wish y'all good luck, too.
 
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Ultimately Maryland departs to the B1G. However, a $25 million settlement (or worse) vs. a $52 million payout has huge implications on the long term stability of the ACC.
 
billybud said:
A lot of angst there....

1...Maryland is gone from the ACC....and their weak football as well. That's a fact.
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Yah. . .when it comes to football, they're no Wake Forest, Duke, North Carolina, Georgia Tech, NC State, BC, Virginia, Syracuse, Pitt. . .
 
billybud said:
I do not think that Maryland can DECIDE to stay...they have resigned...their resignation was accepted and their spot filled.

I find the whole statement kind of mystifying.
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OK, so if Maryland says "We will remain" and the ACC responds "No, you told us you were leaving, we've replaced you, you are out" Maryland then takes the stance "We tried to be reasonable, they kicked us out. There should be no exit fee for a school that was kicked out". I imagine that there are a few attorneys who believe they could successfully defend Maryland's stance in that case.

It provides the ACC no benefit if are shown taking the stance "We don't want Maryland anyway". They need to defend the position that Maryland's leaving has damaged the conference or the argument that the exit fees are excessive had additional validity.
 
FfldCntyFan said:
OK, so if Maryland says "We will remain" and the ACC responds "No, you told us you were leaving, we've replaced you, you are out" Maryland then takes the stance "We tried to be reasonable, they kicked us out. There should be no exit fee for a school that was kicked out". I imagine that there are a few attorneys who believe they could successfully defend Maryland's stance in that case.

It provides the ACC no benefit if are shown taking the stance "We don't want Maryland anyway". They need to defend the position that Maryland's leaving has damaged the conference or the argument that the exit fees are excessive had additional validity.
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It was clearly announced at the Barclays Center last night, that Maryland's last basketball game as a member of the ACC would be against Virginia. I take that to mean they are history for the ACC.
 
I am fully aware that MD is leaving for the B1G. I was just stating why both sides need to posture as they currently are. It would not be in the ACC's best interests to do as billybud suggests as there is a lawsuit involved.
 
SouthronCross said:
Maryland is no longer a part of the ACC once this current school year ends. Period. There is no scenario where they will be a member on July 1, 2014.

Louisville WILL be a member of the ACC on July 1, 2014. It would outstanding if they were to welcome UConn on the same day.
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The ACC made its choice, we will see how palatable it is a decade from now. A turd in the formerly proud academic punch bowl.
 
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btstimpy said:
No clue. Everything I had read stated that Maryland was happy with the finances of the move even including the $52 million in their calculation. They intended to negotiate the $52 million down, but it is not an amount that they were not aware of before making these plans.
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Maybe Maryland got the bill for how much it took to buy Barclay’s in Brooklyn as a home arena for a few games. Geez, it was a good game; but, it was 50/50 between Terps and Huskies fans as several Maryland folks told me Maryland heavily subsidized their alumni ticket prices. The halftime highlights on the jumbotron make it look like Maryland was up by 100 over UConn even though they were down by 16.
 
justinslot said:
Well, the financial appeal and the whole, you know, joining a much more stable league composed almost entirely of like institutions? I've really grown weary of ACC people trying to portray Maryland's move as anything but a slam dunk. Or portraying the move as some sort of heist perpetrated on poor innocent Maryland fans, proud ACC partisans all down to the last loyal Terp, by the nefarious B1G operative Wallace Loh. The ACC got Swofforded and you all are having trouble coming to terms with it. That's fine! I'm an old time Big East fan and I still hate every inch of your guts, so I can't say it will be easy. But possibly you're more well-adjusted and don't hold a grudge like I do.

(With my luck as commentator the Maryland to the B1G deal will somehow blow up after I post this. Full disclosure: I am one of the Boneyard's Rutgers lurkers.)
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Yes the financial appeal is the only appeal. You can ask just about anyone associated with Maryland, and this is exactly would they would say. The majority actually would also say it isn't worth it either because it is based on projections, not contracted funds. Regardless they will have to live with it because the ACC has moved on and replaced Maryland with a better athletic department.
 
itgoeslike said:
Yah. . .when it comes to football, they're no Wake Forest, Duke, North Carolina, Georgia Tech, NC State, BC, Virginia, Syracuse, Pitt. . .
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They are certainly not...as an FSU fan, I have watched the gawd awful Terps go 2-20 against FSU including that 63-0 goodbye present FSU put on them this year....a horrible conference opponent.
 
btstimpy said:
Yes the financial appeal is the only appeal. You can ask just about anyone associated with Maryland, and this is exactly would they would say. The majority actually would also say it isn't worth it either because it is based on projections, not contracted funds. Regardless they will have to live with it because the ACC has moved on and replaced Maryland with a better athletic department.
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You keep trying to self-soothe with that lint of thought.

The Big Ten already hands out $10M per team more than the ACC does.

The ACC is essentially hard-capped for the next 13 years - the Big Ten has nothing but open sky in terms of revenue.
 
btstimpy said:
Yes the financial appeal is the only appeal. You can ask just about anyone associated with Maryland, and this is exactly would they would say. The majority actually would also say it isn't worth it either because it is based on projections, not contracted funds. Regardless they will have to live with it because the ACC has moved on and replaced Maryland with a better athletic department.
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And a far worse school, which further confirms the ACC's status as a kludge league of flagships, second schools in their own states, fanbase-challenged private schools and--the cherry on top--the prototypical Metro Conference school. The appeal of moving from ESPN's spare parts league to a league composed almost entirely of Maryland's peer institutions (and one with a league-owned network) should be obvious. (And let's not kid ourselves--the B1G is getting paaaiiiid.) I'm not sure who these people associated with Maryland are, but they apparently are not in charge with safeguarding Maryland as an institution. Because the people in charge of THAT moved Maryland from a less stable, less wealthy league to a more stable, more wealthy league. Moves like that are generally considered to be appropriate moves, or even good moves, from the perspective (again) of safeguarding and advancing one's university.
 
SouthronCross said:
The ACC got Swofforded and you all are having trouble coming to terms with it. That's fine! I'm an old time Big East fan and I still hate every inch of your guts, so I can't say it will be easy. But possibly you're more well-adjusted and don't hold a grudge like I do.

The ACC got Swofforded? Thats funny. Maryland's atheltic department was bleeding money. It was $30M in the red. That was not the ACC's fault. It was a move made in secret, possibly in violation of state meetings laws, and out of desperation.
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So yeah, they got Swofforded. Unless you're saying the various ACC raids of the Big East were done in an open, public way.
 
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TRest said:
The ACC made its choice, we will see how palatable it is a decade from now. A turd in the formerly proud academic punch bowl.
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And Nebraska...NEBRASKA...is some sort of academic bellwether of the plains?

Please.

Yeah, the ACC made their choice. Many of us wanted UConn. We were outvoted. Its not the first time.
 
The truth has always been that the seeds of the Big East destruction were sown internally....a patchwork of a conference, patching together basketball schools with football schools with the resultant policy gaffs. During the BCS era, the BE was a child of a lesser God who did not have a contracted BCS Bowl to its name unlike the other AQ conferences.

If conferences expanded on the eastern seaboard, the weakness of the Big East position guaranteed defectors who would be more then receptive to offers.

And, as the ACC moved from 9 members to 14, it was inevitable that the Big East would lose teams. As ACC and BE areas overlapped, it was evident that there would only be one.
 
itgoeslike said:
Ultimately Maryland departs to the B1G. However, a $25 million settlement (or worse) vs. a $52 million payout has huge implications on the long term stability of the ACC.
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No, it doesn't. The ACC GOR has stablised the league.

Unless FSU or UNC decide to bolt, the ACC is not going anywhere.
 
Fishy said:
You keep trying to self-soothe with that lint of thought.

The Big Ten already hands out $10M per team more than the ACC does.

The ACC is essentially hard-capped for the next 13 years - the Big Ten has nothing but open sky in terms of revenue.
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How is the ACC hard capped, when it has 5-year (or sooner) look-ins from ESPN?

Yeah, they'll hand out more revenue. They always have. We all know that. So what? How has it helped them in terms of winning championships, compared to the ACC?
 
justinslot said:
So yeah, they got Swofforded. Unless you're saying the various ACC raids of the Big East were done in an open, public way.
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You might want to check out your ACC-BE 'raid' history. You own POS former BE commish, Mike Tranghese, tried to sell your league down the river as far back as 1998. So, it wasn't all on Swofford.

As far as UMD is concerned, they can leave now, if they want. Nobody in the ACC cares. Not everybody in the B1G is welcoming them with open arms, anyway. After a few seasons, B1G fans will find out just how fair-weathered and downright inhosipitible Terp fans are. Good riddance.
 
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