Louisville's Move To The ACC Suddenly 'Not A Done Deal'

[billybud]

Yah. . .when it comes to football, they're no Wake Forest, Duke, North Carolina, Georgia Tech, NC State, BC, Virginia, Syracuse, Pitt. . .

They are certainly not...as an FSU fan, I have watched the gawd awful Terps go 2-20 against FSU including that 63-0 goodbye present FSU put on them this year....a horrible conference opponent.

 

[Fishy]

Yes the financial appeal is the only appeal. You can ask just about anyone associated with Maryland, and this is exactly would they would say. The majority actually would also say it isn't worth it either because it is based on projections, not contracted funds. Regardless they will have to live with it because the ACC has moved on and replaced Maryland with a better athletic department.

You keep trying to self-soothe with that lint of thought.

The Big Ten already hands out $10M per team more than the ACC does.

The ACC is essentially hard-capped for the next 13 years - the Big Ten has nothing but open sky in terms of revenue.

 

[justinslot]

Yes the financial appeal is the only appeal. You can ask just about anyone associated with Maryland, and this is exactly would they would say. The majority actually would also say it isn't worth it either because it is based on projections, not contracted funds. Regardless they will have to live with it because the ACC has moved on and replaced Maryland with a better athletic department.

And a far worse school, which further confirms the ACC's status as a kludge league of flagships, second schools in their own states, fanbase-challenged private schools and--the cherry on top--the prototypical Metro Conference school. The appeal of moving from ESPN's spare parts league to a league composed almost entirely of Maryland's peer institutions (and one with a league-owned network) should be obvious. (And let's not kid ourselves--the B1G is getting paaaiiiid.) I'm not sure who these people associated with Maryland are, but they apparently are not in charge with safeguarding Maryland as an institution. Because the people in charge of THAT moved Maryland from a less stable, less wealthy league to a more stable, more wealthy league. Moves like that are generally considered to be appropriate moves, or even good moves, from the perspective (again) of safeguarding and advancing one's university.

 

[justinslot]

The ACC got Swofforded and you all are having trouble coming to terms with it. That's fine! I'm an old time Big East fan and I still hate every inch of your guts, so I can't say it will be easy. But possibly you're more well-adjusted and don't hold a grudge like I do.

The ACC got Swofforded? Thats funny. Maryland's atheltic department was bleeding money. It was $30M in the red. That was not the ACC's fault. It was a move made in secret, possibly in violation of state meetings laws, and out of desperation.

So yeah, they got Swofforded. Unless you're saying the various ACC raids of the Big East were done in an open, public way.

 

[SouthronCross]

The ACC made its choice, we will see how palatable it is a decade from now. A turd in the formerly proud academic punch bowl.

And Nebraska...NEBRASKA...is some sort of academic bellwether of the plains?

Please.

Yeah, the ACC made their choice. Many of us wanted UConn. We were outvoted. Its not the first time.

 

[billybud]

The truth has always been that the seeds of the Big East destruction were sown internally....a patchwork of a conference, patching together basketball schools with football schools with the resultant policy gaffs. During the BCS era, the BE was a child of a lesser God who did not have a contracted BCS Bowl to its name unlike the other AQ conferences.

If conferences expanded on the eastern seaboard, the weakness of the Big East position guaranteed defectors who would be more then receptive to offers.

And, as the ACC moved from 9 members to 14, it was inevitable that the Big East would lose teams. As ACC and BE areas overlapped, it was evident that there would only be one.

 

[SouthronCross]

Yah. . .when it comes to football, they're no Wake Forest, Duke, North Carolina, Georgia Tech, NC State, BC, Virginia, Syracuse, Pitt. . .

You might want to look up those teams' records vs FSU, before you put some of their names in your post.

http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_ia/acc/florida_state/opponents.php

 

[SouthronCross]

Ultimately Maryland departs to the B1G. However, a $25 million settlement (or worse) vs. a $52 million payout has huge implications on the long term stability of the ACC.

No, it doesn't. The ACC GOR has stablised the league.

Unless FSU or UNC decide to bolt, the ACC is not going anywhere.

 

[SouthronCross]

You keep trying to self-soothe with that lint of thought.

The Big Ten already hands out $10M per team more than the ACC does.

The ACC is essentially hard-capped for the next 13 years - the Big Ten has nothing but open sky in terms of revenue.

How is the ACC hard capped, when it has 5-year (or sooner) look-ins from ESPN?

Yeah, they'll hand out more revenue. They always have. We all know that. So what? How has it helped them in terms of winning championships, compared to the ACC?

 

[SouthronCross]

So yeah, they got Swofforded. Unless you're saying the various ACC raids of the Big East were done in an open, public way.

You might want to check out your ACC-BE 'raid' history. You own POS former BE commish, Mike Tranghese, tried to sell your league down the river as far back as 1998. So, it wasn't all on Swofford.

As far as UMD is concerned, they can leave now, if they want. Nobody in the ACC cares. Not everybody in the B1G is welcoming them with open arms, anyway. After a few seasons, B1G fans will find out just how fair-weathered and downright inhosipitible Terp fans are. Good riddance.

 

[btstimpy]

You keep trying to self-soothe with that lint of thought.

The Big Ten already hands out $10M per team more than the ACC does.

The ACC is essentially hard-capped for the next 13 years - the Big Ten has nothing but open sky in terms of revenue.

I said that the financial advantage was the only advantage. But the Big Ten has always had more money, and they regularly lose the Rose Bowl and rarely are a threat for a National Championship in football, and have had a long dry spell in basketball. Ohio State is rolling through that schedule and will probably sit behind some 1 loss teams in the BCS because the Big Ten is such a weak football conference.

The high school football talent concentration has moved out of the Big Ten states and into the ACC, SEC, and PAC 12 states along with Texas. Maryland obviously did not make this move for football. They are leaving the football recruiting hotbeds behind to go to the Midwest where they have no recruiting presence or experience, and the quality high schol talent is diminishing in the midwest. Ask Ron Zook at Illinois. He's an expert on it. He's been at Florida and at Illinois. It's less of an issue with Urban Myer because there is some talent in Ohio, and he'll get it all.

In basketball, Maryland will find some good competition with Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, and Indiana. But they were not hurting for basketball competition in the ACC, especially now. So this move was not made for basketball either.

The ACC isn't capped for 13 years. There are 2 5 year look ins with the first being in 2017. And your gap numbers are exaggerated. With a declining football product in the Big Ten, and demographics will force the continued decline, that open sky might add some rain clouds really quick. Yes the Big Ten is full of big stadiums and large alumni bases, but Penn State's about due to consider tarping parts of their stadium. Can't fill it these days.

 

[Fishy]

No, you're up against a pretty hard ceiling.

You have no network, you're not adding membership or inventory and you have no leverage.

There's simply no reason for ESPN to pay more for something they've already locked down.

 

[justinslot]

You might want to check out your ACC-BE 'raid' history. You own POS former BE commish, Mike Tranghese, tried to sell your league down the river as far back as 1998. So, it wasn't all on Swofford.

As far as UMD is concerned, they can leave now, if they want. Nobody in the ACC cares. Not everybody in the B1G is welcoming them with open arms, anyway. After a few seasons, B1G fans will find out just how fair-weathered and downright inhosipitible Terp fans are. Good riddance.

Oh Tranghese's incompetence is well-documented. That doesn't make Swofford any less of a snake.

 

[PSUproUConn]

Penn Stater born and raised in Philly living in Virginia Beach for the past five years, very much hope UConn gets invited to the B1G as it's safe to say PSU isnt leaving anytime soon and in my opinion they are a perfect institute to match the B1g's Northern identity and their northeastern aspirations, but good God the ACC homers need to give it a rest or at least take it to another forum. I mean there's page after page of Cavalier fans bashing Rutgers and Maryland on their Athletic Departmets, is UVA really more important than either of those schools athletically? The ACC and the B1G are similarly competitive in football at this point with one school carrying the conference banner and everybody else watching (ie as football conferences they both suck), but enough with the inferiority complexes. I truly hope UConn finds a home and was befuddled when they were not the next addition to the ACC. Been following this board since I was sitting in Afghanistan a year ago and can say at this point I route for UConn sports.

 

[itgoeslike]

You might want to look up those teams' records vs FSU, before you put some of their names in your post.

http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_ia/acc/florida_state/opponents.php

I wasn't using their all time record against FSU as a measuring stick to suggest that Maryland Football is pretty comparable to the majority of the conference, but I think you proved my point. Wake Forest 6-24, Duke 0-16, UNC 2-15, GTech 9-13, NC State 11-21, BC 4-6, Virginia 3-13, Syracuse 1-5. . .And while GTech, BC and PITT have had some competence, it was, for the most part, before their current graduating class was born. The most interesting part of the link is that the only team to really own FSU since they started playing football in 1947 was Houston, who beat them 12 out of 14 times.

 

[itgoeslike]

They are certainly not...as an FSU fan, I have watched the gawd awful Terps go 2-20 against FSU including that 63-0 goodbye present FSU put on them this year....a horrible conference opponent.

I'm not here to defend Maryland football, but rather point out their recent history is comparable to the majority of the ACC, (see my previous post). Further proof is that if Oregon hadn't choked, an undefeated (and arguably better) FSU likely wouldn't be playing for a NC. You know that.

 

[B1GALUM]

Yes the Big Ten is full of big stadiums and large alumni bases, but Penn State's about due to consider tarping parts of their stadium. Can't fill it these days.

People in glass houses ...

It's been tough for Atlantic Coast Conference schools to fill their stadiums — even during one of the league's best seasons on the field in years.

ACC stadiums have been less than 85 percent full this season, according to STATS LLC. That's the smallest number since the league expanded in 2004, and that's despite having three teams in the top 10 in the rankings.

"It takes a great fan to come to games now," said Wake Forest coach Jim Grobe, whose team lost at Miami last week before thousands of vacant orange seats. "Everywhere we go, we see empty seats."

Attendance in the ACC has been declining every year since 2007, when the stadiums were 93 percent full.

That number dipped to 88 percent in 2010 and fell to 85 percent last year, according to STATS.

Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/20...ns-a-struggle.html#.Un-R40Yo6Uk#storylink=cpy

 

[upstater]

Over the last decade, I was always of the opinion that the ACC, with its basketball first mentality, was best for UConn. But I don't feel that way anymore. I really am beginning to believe that with the enlarging of the school and the change in B1G hoops, that the B1G is a much better fit. Travel is the same.

 

[B1GALUM]

Ohio State is rolling through that schedule and will probably sit behind some 1 loss teams in the BCS because the Big Ten is such a weak football conference..

My apologizes in advance to UCFBfan for the argument ...

I am objective enough to recognize that Florida State has a compelling argument to be ranked ahead of Ohio State. Florida State has a fantastic team. However, the ACC as a conference is not exactly a football juggernaut. If Alabama goes undefeated and Florida State goes undefeated, then there is your national championship game and I am fine with that pairing and would love to see it. However, Ohio State is going to be fine If we remain unbeaten in our regular season schedule and then face and defeat a one loss and ranked Michigan State team, with one of the nation's best defenses, in the B1G championship. We will have a great shot at playing in the national championship game if Alabama or Florida State stumble. I think a 1 loss SEC team is about the only 1 loss team that could make an argument to be ahead of an undefeated Florida State, Ohio State or Baylor.

 

[B1GALUM]

Over the last decade, I was always of the opinion that the ACC, with its basketball first mentality, was best for UConn. But I don't feel that way anymore. I really am beginning to believe that with the enlarging of the school and the change in B1G hoops, that the B1G is a much better fit. Travel is the same.

As a public research and flagship university, I think UConn would fit well in the B1G and the B1G would benefit from the inclusion of UConn. It is a d*#n shame that some in the B1G cannot let go of a de facto AAU membership requirement for the entrance of new members.

 

[upstater]

As a public research and flagship university, I think UConn would fit well in the B1G and the B1G would benefit from the inclusion of UConn. It is a d*#n shame that some in the B1G cannot let go of a de facto AAU membership requirement for the entrance of new members.

The AAU thing will only be used for schools that don't want UConn. Those same schools would probably overlook it for other schools. That's UConn's problem, that it doesn't have a sufficient football program to override those concerns. If you see the emails from PSU's, Northwestern's and Iowa's presidents to Nebraska's president(unsealed with a FOIA request) long before Nebraska joined the B1G, it was clear that everyone in the B1G knew that Nebraska was in the process of being ousted from the AAU (mainly by the Pres's of Michigan and Wisconsin) prior to joining the B1G. The former Pres. of Wisconsin, now Pres. of Amherst College, said that in the discussion of Nebraska's candidacy, she never once recalled anyone mentioning its AAU status.

Now, that is not to say that AAU status won't be a topline item with any other candidate because it could be that people avoided talking AAU when discussing Nebraska because they knew it was a minefield.

 

[SouthronCross]

No, you're up against a pretty hard ceiling.

You have no network, you're not adding membership or inventory and you have no leverage.

There's simply no reason for ESPN to pay more for something they've already locked down.

So, the 5-year 'look-in'worked into the ACC's contract with ESPN is of no worth to us? Good to know.

 

[SouthronCross]

Oh Tranghese's incompetence is well-documented. That doesn't make Swofford any less of a snake.

Which is why I said it isn't all on Swofford. He is not guiltless. Not by any means. But, he's not the sole destroyer of the Big East, either.

 

[B1GALUM]

The AAU thing will only be used for schools that don't want UConn. Those same schools would probably overlook it for other schools. That's UConn's problem, that it doesn't have a sufficient football program to override those concerns. If you see the emails from PSU's, Northwestern's and Iowa's presidents to Nebraska's president(unsealed with a FOIA request) long before Nebraska joined the B1G, it was clear that everyone in the B1G knew that Nebraska was in the process of being ousted from the AAU (mainly by the Pres's of Michigan and Wisconsin) prior to joining the B1G. The former Pres. of Wisconsin, now Pres. of Amherst College, said that in the discussion of Nebraska's candidacy, she never once recalled anyone mentioning its AAU status.

Now, that is not to say that AAU status won't be a topline item with any other candidate because it could be that people avoided talking AAU when discussing Nebraska because they knew it was a minefield.

Point taken. I just think the basketball success of UConn combined with the mission and the location of the university should override the status of the football program. I think there is much about UConn that fits with the B1G and its goals.

 

[DarthGrumpy]

Over the last decade, I was always of the opinion that the ACC, with its basketball first mentality, was best for UConn. But I don't feel that way anymore. I really am beginning to believe that with the enlarging of the school and the change in B1G hoops, that the B1G is a much better fit. Travel is the same.

No to mention the opportunity, assuming the B1G divided into some form of an east/west split, having the opportunity to drive the 4 hours from Jersey to tailgate in State College every other year. Maybe even save some dough for a road trip to Ann Arbor, East Lansing, Madison, and Minneapolis from time to time.