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James said:
Dunns biggest knocks was he was put in a system where he couldn't run (as many as uconns) high pnr nearly enough, and it's often curtailed his ability to show his other offense abilities like (not just threading needles, but jumpers when turning the corner. And passing metrics are hard to gauge , many players have a propensity to hunt them . Forget assists , extra passes/entry passes/ and skip ones to weak side shooters are what I mean. There's a reason pcs offence was a dumpster fire , even being led by the best pg in the land.
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I'd sort of be inclined to take the middle between where you and Friar stand. You're right that PC runs a lot of flex action and underperformed offensively last season, but the PC staff still gets a ton of credit for the player Dunn turned into and I can see why MAL (similarly ranked by the services, local kid just like Dunn, similar physical profile...) would see the appeal in following in his footsteps. I mean, offense didn't hold him back that much when he was a first team AA and top 5 pick even at what, 22?
 
FriarJ said:
That is simply wrong, PC ran a pick and roll offense at a higher percentage than just about any team in the country. The offense sucked because outside of Bentil it was the team that couldn't shoot straight. Did you even watch them play? Every single draft card on him talks about how he excels in the pick and roll. Derrick Thornton's trainer specifically called out Coach K for lying to him about how much pick and roll he would play and actually compared it to how much pick and roll Dunn was exposed to. Just google it and you will see it. Interesting ... on why he might be leaving Duke. | Utefans.Net I honestly don't know where you are coming from here.
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He runs inefficient pick n rolls congrats. Oh and PC offense was a dumpster fire because of how bad the players were?a number of scouts cited pcs system as a hinderence, they all thought he should have been more prolific.
 
James said:
He runs inefficient pick n rolls congrats. Oh and PC offense was a dumpster fire because of how bad the players were?a number of scouts cited pcs system as a hinderence, they all thought he should have been more prolific.
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I can give you literally dozens of reports on how well Dunn plays the pick and roll, can you show me one scouts that says he is inefficient in it because of PC's offense? We can just agree to disagree. If you are a PG that can score the ball you will be allowed to put up big numbers. This is a simple fact proven by PG performance at PC under Cooley.
 
I think you guys are overcomplicating the discussion. Over the period 2013-16 would I rather:

A) Have Kris Dunn
B) Not have Kris Dunn

I would go with A. That's all.

The discussion is not "would I give up the last 4 years to take a chance on something different".

That said, the last two years, which were well below the program's standard, would have been much better with Dunn than without him. That point isn't really debatable.
 
FriarJ said:
I can give you literally dozens of reports on how well Dunn plays the pick and roll, can you show me one scouts that says he is inefficient in it because of PC's offense? We can just agree to disagree. If you are a PG that can score the ball you will be allowed to put up big numbers. This is a simple fact proven by PG performance at PC under Cooley.
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Pick n rolls whether initial or secondary are basketball actions that create imbalance for set defenses. Being an elite pick n roll player you should be able drag a team to atleast average offense . Full disclosure I'm a Dunn fan and a strong proponent of Rubio being moved
 
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Tenspro2002 said:
Is your criterion for whether we could have benefited from a recruit whether it would have led to a championship?

We just experienced probably the worst 2-year stretch in this program's history since the 80's. Whether we would have won a championship or not, I would have rather had Dunn.
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Actually, re-reading my post I can see how it could be misinterpreted.

I did not mean "whether we would have won a championship [in 2014] or not, I would have rather had Dunn". Obviously I'll take the 2014 championship.

I meant "whether the addition of Dunn would have resulted in a championship in 2015 or 2016 or not, I would have rather had Dunn", responding to the comment that "sure last two years we could have used him but don't think that would led us to a title anyway."
 
James said:
Pick n rolls whether initial or secondary are basketball actions that create imbalance for set defenses. Being an elite pick n roll player you should be able drag a team to atleast average offense . Full disclosure I'm a Dunn fan and a strong proponent of Rubio being moved
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Two friggin pro's on the team, they should have done better, that I agree on. Some of the roster was not Cooley's fault. He expected to have Brandon Austin and Paschal Chukwu there and an experienced Rodney Bullock. The other players simply could not hit an open outside shot. What if's is the ongoing PC story.
 
FriarJ said:
It's the great story of our time, UConn never offered a McD's All-American from Connecticut.
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Who pretty desparately wanted to go to Storrs. I'd call it a swing and a miss by our staff. It happens. Congrats on being the rebound chick. It worked out for you.
 
CL82 said:
Who pretty desparately wanted to go to Storrs. I'd call it a swing and a miss by our staff. It happens. Congrats on being the rebound chick. It worked out for you.
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This is nonsense. First of all, every independent recruiting site shows UConn as having offered Dunn. We gave a scholarship to RJ Evans that year. Dunn didn't come to UConn because the program was in a bad place, which sucks, but it is what it is. Did he make a mistake? Of course. He could have been on a title-winning team in 2014, and last year's team would have probably been top-10 last year with him. Instead he went and won a single NCAA tournament game in four seasons (the only tournament win for Providence since I was in middle school). Does Providence suck? Of course. Is FriarJ an annoying turd who won't be wiped off? Obviously. But let's not embarrass ourselves by pretending that UConn didn't offer a top-20 player in its own home state.
 
CallMeBruce said:
This is nonsense. First of all, every independent recruiting site shows UConn as having offered Dunn. We gave a scholarship to RJ Evans that year. Dunn didn't come to UConn because the program was in a bad place, which sucks, but it is what it is. Did he make a mistake? Of course. He could have been on a title-winning team in 2014, and last year's team would have probably been top-10 last year with him. Instead he went and won a single NCAA tournament game in four seasons (the only tournament win for Providence since I was in middle school). Does Providence suck? Of course. Is FriarJ and annoying turd who won't be wiped off? Obviously. But let's not embarrass ourselves by pretending that UConn didn't offer a top-20 player in its own home state.
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Mmm, I'm not that easily embarassed. I remember interest in Dunn falling off and Dunn reacting to it. He definitely was very hot on UConn for a long time.

Don't care enough to google it though. This is classic trolling. When your program hasn't won anything in decades, you find little victories where you can. I don't see the point in following him down the rabbit hole.
 
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CallMeBruce said:
This is nonsense. First of all, every independent recruiting site shows UConn as having offered Dunn. We gave a scholarship to RJ Evans that year. Dunn didn't come to UConn because the program was in a bad place, which sucks, but it is what it is. Did he make a mistake? Of course. He could have been on a title-winning team in 2014, and last year's team would have probably been top-10 last year with him. Instead he went and won a single NCAA tournament game in four seasons (the only tournament win for Providence since I was in middle school). Does Providence suck? Of course. Is FriarJ an annoying turd who won't be wiped off? Obviously. But let's not embarrass ourselves by pretending that UConn didn't offer a top-20 player in its own home state.
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That's not at all how I remember things going down. RJ Evans committed to UConn a year after Dunn committed to PC.
 
CL82 said:
Mmm, I'm not that easily embarassed. I remember interest in Dunn falling off and Dunn reacting it. He definitely was very hot on UConn for a long time.

Don't care enough to google it though. This is classic trolling. When your program hasn't won anything in decades, you find little victories where you can. I don't see the point in following him down the rabbit hole.
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Your memory of what happened is correct.
 
Ed Cooley has won only 1 NCAA tournament game in 10 years as a head coach. That's probably why Providence underperformed last season. Not trying to be cruel, but it is what it is.
 
Huskybass said:
Ed Cooley has won only 1 NCAA tournament game in 10 years as a head coach. That's probably why Providence underperformed last season. Not trying to be cruel, but it is what it is.
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How could MAL choose such dregs? it's over you guys are good.
 
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Huskybass said:
Ed Cooley has won only 1 NCAA tournament game in 10 years as a head coach. That's probably why Providence underperformed last season. Not trying to be cruel, but it is what it is.
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He's only been there for 5 years and has had them ranked much of the past few years, and won the Big East Tournament 2 years ago. I don't think they underperformed as a whole. Unless you're claiming that they choked last year, but regardless, they lost to a great team.
 
CL82 said:
Who pretty desparately wanted to go to Storrs. I'd call it a swing and a miss by our staff. It happens. Congrats on being the rebound chick. It worked out for you.
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Lame, you can do better. Actually on second thought I'm sure you blew your load. Take a seat because you don't have a friggin clue what you are talking about. No surprise there though.
 
Maybe it's just me but I don't think Friar J is being as abhorrent as some of you are making him out to be.

Everyone just chill. I think it's all this Big 12 stuff that has everyone on edge.

If we get MAL, great. If not, I'm sure Ollie will find someone else very capable of playing at a high level and playing his system. He's brought in Jalen and Alterique. It's all good.
 
The Viking said:
Maybe it's just me but I don't think Friar J is being as abhorrent as some of you are making him out to be.

Everyone just chill. I think it's all this Big 12 stuff that has everyone on edge.

If we get MAL, great. If not, I'm sure Ollie will find someone else very capable of playing at a high level and playing his system. He's brought in Jalen and Alterique. It's all good.
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To be completely fair, I poked at Upstater who I like but he lacks any sense of humor whatsoever (also made a ridiculous claim) and then a couple guys were cramping and it has just gone downhill from there. I tried to bring it back on track multiple times but some other menstrating Husky would quote my earliest post and get it all going again. I have not spoken poorly of UConn in this thread but there is some sensitivity here that simply can't be overcome. There is a recruit that is down to two local schools, it's all good for him no matter what. Free ride to play high end division 1 basketball no matter where he goes. We should all be so lucky, but we aren't so we get our biscuit all puffy and overreact to almost everything.
 
The Viking said:
Maybe it's just me but I don't think Friar J is being as abhorrent as some of you are making him out to be.

Everyone just chill. I think it's all this Big 12 stuff that has everyone on edge.

If we get MAL, great. If not, I'm sure Ollie will find someone else very capable of playing at a high level and playing his system. He's brought in Jalen and Alterique. It's all good.
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We may not agree on PED's but I was waiting to throw a post like this up, spot on Vike. Friar J is fine, Dunn chose to go to PC because Cooley did a great job and nothing else matters. He was a CT kid who ended up being a player and give Cooley and PC credit for that it happens.

Now lets play basketball in 16-17 huh?;)
 
FriarJ said:
To be completely fair, I poked at Upstater who I like but he lacks any sense of humor whatsoever (also made a ridiculous claim) and then a couple guys were cramping and it has just gone downhill from there. I tried to bring it back on track multiple times but some other menstrating Husky would quote my earliest post and get it all going again. I have not spoken poorly of UConn in this thread but there is some sensitivity here that simply can't be overcome. There is a recruit that is down to two local schools, it's all good for him no matter what. Free ride to play high end division 1 basketball no matter where he goes. We should all be so lucky, but we aren't so we get our biscuit all puffy and overreact to almost everything.
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I have no problem with you trolling and defending your program in here, if you wasn't so phony about it. There are moments where I feel that you're not a bad poster at all, only to check the PC message boards and watch you bash this forum. Upstater wrote his opinion on Dunn, people on here disagreed with him, but hey guys, look at The Boneyard, these clowns are saying they never offered Dunn. I'll give you props though, you have people actually defending you too.
 
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FriarJ said:
Lame, you can do better. Actually on second thought I'm sure you blew your load. Take a seat because you don't have a friggin clue what you are talking about. No surprise there though.
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I know you really want Dunn to be about your staff beating our staff, because those kinds of little victories are like winning a championship to you, but that wasn't the case. Who knows? Maybe you guys will get MAL and you can have a medal made up for you guys:

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That would be really nice for you.
 
PC fans are theeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee worrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrst.. The amount of butt-hurt envy I've felt from that fan base for 20 years is just startling.. It's sad to be honest.
 
I still don't get why a Providence fan is still hanging out here on a UConn board. Will he be here 10 years after we let THEM have the BigEast name?
 
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