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GemParty said:
Napier may be the most decorated impact player, but once in a lifetime he wasn't. We've had KEA & Kemba recently too. It's the program.
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I don't disagree with this Kemba and KEA were great players who achieved great things (NC's) I just think Napier had less around him. Just loved the kid. This is just an opinion.
 
husky99 said:
Seriously what @ u= c× k .... the mix of guys we had = a title. Who cares after that. PC is at best a short ugly uconn lite who took a real fall skateboarding in the 6th grade and probably had a mom who did not mind a drink when she was 7 month pregnant with pc..
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Tell us how you really feel lol this was not taken with a grain of salt that's for sure !
 
FriarJ said:
I disagree with this a bit, there last 3 point guards under Cooley are Council who ended up breaking the all-time BE assist record and is making a nice living overseas. He took Bryce Cotton from literally a 400th ranked recruit who nobody wanted to an all-american and he is still in the NBA, and then Dunn who was two time BE POY and Defensive POY (Granted in a weaker BE) His offense completely centers on the PG and if you come to PC you will put up numbers. That's the draw. Plus Cooley is a good guy that the kids like. To me it's not hard to see why guards might want to play for him but I'm obviously biased, but that's my take. Every year a PC player leads the league in scoring and another one leads in assists. He lets his stars play.
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Dunns biggest knocks was he was put in a system where he couldn't run (as many as uconns) high pnr nearly enough, and it's often curtailed his ability to show his other offense abilities like (not just threading needles, but jumpers when turning the corner. And passing metrics are hard to gauge , many players have a propensity to hunt them . Forget assists , extra passes/entry passes/ and skip ones to weak side shooters are what I mean. There's a reason pcs offence was a dumpster fire , even being led by the best pg in the land.
 
James said:
Dunns biggest knocks was he was put in a system where he couldn't run (as many as uconns) high pnr nearly enough, and it's often curtailed his ability to show his other offense abilities like (not just threading needles, but jumpers when turning the corner. And passing metrics are hard to gauge , many players have a propensity to hunt them . Forget assists , extra passes/entry passes/ and skip ones to weak side shooters are what I mean. There's a reason pcs offence was a dumpster fire , even being led by the best pg in the land.
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That is simply wrong, PC ran a pick and roll offense at a higher percentage than just about any team in the country. The offense sucked because outside of Bentil it was the team that couldn't shoot straight. Did you even watch them play? Every single draft card on him talks about how he excels in the pick and roll. Derrick Thornton's trainer specifically called out Coach K for lying to him about how much pick and roll he would play and actually compared it to how much pick and roll Dunn was exposed to. Just google it and you will see it. Interesting ... on why he might be leaving Duke. | Utefans.Net I honestly don't know where you are coming from here.
 
James said:
Dunns biggest knocks was he was put in a system where he couldn't run (as many as uconns) high pnr nearly enough, and it's often curtailed his ability to show his other offense abilities like (not just threading needles, but jumpers when turning the corner. And passing metrics are hard to gauge , many players have a propensity to hunt them . Forget assists , extra passes/entry passes/ and skip ones to weak side shooters are what I mean. There's a reason pcs offence was a dumpster fire , even being led by the best pg in the land.
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I'd sort of be inclined to take the middle between where you and Friar stand. You're right that PC runs a lot of flex action and underperformed offensively last season, but the PC staff still gets a ton of credit for the player Dunn turned into and I can see why MAL (similarly ranked by the services, local kid just like Dunn, similar physical profile...) would see the appeal in following in his footsteps. I mean, offense didn't hold him back that much when he was a first team AA and top 5 pick even at what, 22?
 
FriarJ said:
That is simply wrong, PC ran a pick and roll offense at a higher percentage than just about any team in the country. The offense sucked because outside of Bentil it was the team that couldn't shoot straight. Did you even watch them play? Every single draft card on him talks about how he excels in the pick and roll. Derrick Thornton's trainer specifically called out Coach K for lying to him about how much pick and roll he would play and actually compared it to how much pick and roll Dunn was exposed to. Just google it and you will see it. Interesting ... on why he might be leaving Duke. | Utefans.Net I honestly don't know where you are coming from here.
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He runs inefficient pick n rolls congrats. Oh and PC offense was a dumpster fire because of how bad the players were?a number of scouts cited pcs system as a hinderence, they all thought he should have been more prolific.
 
James said:
He runs inefficient pick n rolls congrats. Oh and PC offense was a dumpster fire because of how bad the players were?a number of scouts cited pcs system as a hinderence, they all thought he should have been more prolific.
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I can give you literally dozens of reports on how well Dunn plays the pick and roll, can you show me one scouts that says he is inefficient in it because of PC's offense? We can just agree to disagree. If you are a PG that can score the ball you will be allowed to put up big numbers. This is a simple fact proven by PG performance at PC under Cooley.
 
I think you guys are overcomplicating the discussion. Over the period 2013-16 would I rather:

A) Have Kris Dunn
B) Not have Kris Dunn

I would go with A. That's all.

The discussion is not "would I give up the last 4 years to take a chance on something different".

That said, the last two years, which were well below the program's standard, would have been much better with Dunn than without him. That point isn't really debatable.
 
FriarJ said:
I can give you literally dozens of reports on how well Dunn plays the pick and roll, can you show me one scouts that says he is inefficient in it because of PC's offense? We can just agree to disagree. If you are a PG that can score the ball you will be allowed to put up big numbers. This is a simple fact proven by PG performance at PC under Cooley.
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Pick n rolls whether initial or secondary are basketball actions that create imbalance for set defenses. Being an elite pick n roll player you should be able drag a team to atleast average offense . Full disclosure I'm a Dunn fan and a strong proponent of Rubio being moved
 
Tenspro2002 said:
Is your criterion for whether we could have benefited from a recruit whether it would have led to a championship?

We just experienced probably the worst 2-year stretch in this program's history since the 80's. Whether we would have won a championship or not, I would have rather had Dunn.
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Actually, re-reading my post I can see how it could be misinterpreted.

I did not mean "whether we would have won a championship [in 2014] or not, I would have rather had Dunn". Obviously I'll take the 2014 championship.

I meant "whether the addition of Dunn would have resulted in a championship in 2015 or 2016 or not, I would have rather had Dunn", responding to the comment that "sure last two years we could have used him but don't think that would led us to a title anyway."
 
James said:
Pick n rolls whether initial or secondary are basketball actions that create imbalance for set defenses. Being an elite pick n roll player you should be able drag a team to atleast average offense . Full disclosure I'm a Dunn fan and a strong proponent of Rubio being moved
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Two friggin pro's on the team, they should have done better, that I agree on. Some of the roster was not Cooley's fault. He expected to have Brandon Austin and Paschal Chukwu there and an experienced Rodney Bullock. The other players simply could not hit an open outside shot. What if's is the ongoing PC story.
 
FriarJ said:
It's the great story of our time, UConn never offered a McD's All-American from Connecticut.
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Who pretty desparately wanted to go to Storrs. I'd call it a swing and a miss by our staff. It happens. Congrats on being the rebound chick. It worked out for you.
 
CL82 said:
Who pretty desparately wanted to go to Storrs. I'd call it a swing and a miss by our staff. It happens. Congrats on being the rebound chick. It worked out for you.
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This is nonsense. First of all, every independent recruiting site shows UConn as having offered Dunn. We gave a scholarship to RJ Evans that year. Dunn didn't come to UConn because the program was in a bad place, which sucks, but it is what it is. Did he make a mistake? Of course. He could have been on a title-winning team in 2014, and last year's team would have probably been top-10 last year with him. Instead he went and won a single NCAA tournament game in four seasons (the only tournament win for Providence since I was in middle school). Does Providence suck? Of course. Is FriarJ an annoying turd who won't be wiped off? Obviously. But let's not embarrass ourselves by pretending that UConn didn't offer a top-20 player in its own home state.
 
CallMeBruce said:
This is nonsense. First of all, every independent recruiting site shows UConn as having offered Dunn. We gave a scholarship to RJ Evans that year. Dunn didn't come to UConn because the program was in a bad place, which sucks, but it is what it is. Did he make a mistake? Of course. He could have been on a title-winning team in 2014, and last year's team would have probably been top-10 last year with him. Instead he went and won a single NCAA tournament game in four seasons (the only tournament win for Providence since I was in middle school). Does Providence suck? Of course. Is FriarJ and annoying turd who won't be wiped off? Obviously. But let's not embarrass ourselves by pretending that UConn didn't offer a top-20 player in its own home state.
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Mmm, I'm not that easily embarassed. I remember interest in Dunn falling off and Dunn reacting to it. He definitely was very hot on UConn for a long time.

Don't care enough to google it though. This is classic trolling. When your program hasn't won anything in decades, you find little victories where you can. I don't see the point in following him down the rabbit hole.
 
CallMeBruce said:
This is nonsense. First of all, every independent recruiting site shows UConn as having offered Dunn. We gave a scholarship to RJ Evans that year. Dunn didn't come to UConn because the program was in a bad place, which sucks, but it is what it is. Did he make a mistake? Of course. He could have been on a title-winning team in 2014, and last year's team would have probably been top-10 last year with him. Instead he went and won a single NCAA tournament game in four seasons (the only tournament win for Providence since I was in middle school). Does Providence suck? Of course. Is FriarJ an annoying turd who won't be wiped off? Obviously. But let's not embarrass ourselves by pretending that UConn didn't offer a top-20 player in its own home state.
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That's not at all how I remember things going down. RJ Evans committed to UConn a year after Dunn committed to PC.
 
CL82 said:
Mmm, I'm not that easily embarassed. I remember interest in Dunn falling off and Dunn reacting it. He definitely was very hot on UConn for a long time.

Don't care enough to google it though. This is classic trolling. When your program hasn't won anything in decades, you find little victories where you can. I don't see the point in following him down the rabbit hole.
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Your memory of what happened is correct.
 
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