Long Goodman article on the program

[whaler11]

Maybe because he wanted his kid to be the focal point of the UCONN team on offense? That and he fed Goodman his side of the story regarding their acrimonious parting with UCONN? Or perhaps the possibility that daddy was the guy who ratted UCONN out to the NCAA?

Read Calhoun's book. He discusses at some length having to deal with parents like Jackson's daddy on the recruiting trail.

Everything about this program stinks.

Jackson played pretty well last year.

Guess what it’s 2018 - the players and their parents are a pain in the rear.

It’s all still Ollie’s fault for signing him in the first place.

 

[UConnNick]

Everything about this program stinks.

Jackson played pretty well last year.

Guess what it’s 2018 - the players and their parents are a pain in the rear.

It’s all still Ollie’s fault for signing him in the first place.

You acknowledge he was a good player, and that you have to deal with "pain in the rear" players and parents nowadays, and then you directly contradict all of that by saying Ollie never should have recruited him? If all the players and parents are a pain in the rear anyway, what was wrong about recruiting this particular one, if he's a good player?

 

[Storrs South]

Anyone still thinks that Glenn Miller was responsible for our recruiting failures and coaching problems is in trouble with reality. Karl Hobbs was the smart one who saw the reality ahead of time.

Being at UCONN, whoever the new coach hired is, the expectation is to fight for the NCAA tournament in his first year. Ohio State did it, Washington is doing it with Mike Hopkins, etc.

Whoever the new coach is, they need to have some good players to bring in the fold to couple with some returning players like Vital, Polley, Wilson, Carlton, Gilbert, Kisunas, etc that is enough to work with and compete well in the AAC.

PS: This whole UCONN needs to wait 3 years before they are even competitive for the NCAA tournament is BS. People here need to have some pride that this is UCONN basketball not football. All you need is 1 or 2 really good players to be very competitive in basketball.

Add NC State to that list, too, hiring the guy from UNCW this year. It won't be my expectation, but certainly a good hire can turn around a program quickly and would give me reason for hope.

 

[whaler11]

You acknowledge he was a good player, and that you have to deal with "pain in the rear" players and parents nowadays, and then you directly contradict all of that by saying Ollie never should have recruited him? If all the players and parents are a pain in the rear anyway, what was wrong about recruiting this particular one, if he's a good player?

No - I’m saying you can’t blame Jackson’s father because if he was the problem it’s Ollie’s fault he was ever involved with the program.

Yeah part of making $3MM is managing parents - how horrible.

There is a case to be made for Ollie to get another season but none of the pro-Ollie people ever make it. They just try to pretend what has happened it’s his fault.

Everything that has happened is his fault. Ev-ree-thing.

 

[Northbound]

Um that's actually something to be proud of.

Something to be proud of, sure, but it’s not a big deal. If you want to make a team at the D3 level you can do it.

High school coaches and Ad’s are appalled by it as well as the signing ceremonies for kids committing to D3 schools - it’s done because of parents. I’m with Hs coaches and ad’s every day and just came from a large HS football coaching convention and universally the feeling was that it’s way overkill.

I could go on a lengthy discussion about “recruiting” at the D3 level, but will spare everyone. .

It’s not a big deal amd the need to announce and be applauded for everything you do is unfortunate.

We can agree to disagree.

 

[intlzncster]

There is a case to be made for Ollie to get another season but none of the pro-Ollie people ever make it.

Not pro Ollie, but it's easy. There's a really big buyout.

What's this case you speak of? I can think of some marginal things that everybody is aware of that could certainly improve the product on the floor...but what is this mystery case you speak of?

 

[olehead]

Thanks for the investigative reporting Jeff.

I'd love to know how many games the average coach goes to of a recruit that is already signed? Maybe Jeff could ask Jim Calhoun. Why the hell would a signee even want his future coach wasting time watching numerous games of his while his coach could be out recruiting other top players to play with? Why would we even want prima donnas like this in the first place?

Recruits ego.

 

[noeynox]

Not pro Ollie, but it's easy. There's a really big buyout.

What's this case you speak of? I can think of some marginal things that everybody is aware of that could certainly improve the product on the floor...but what is this mystery case you speak of?

I think the case is this is a really bad mix of players as far as styles go. One of Jalen or Terry has to go preferably Terry. Perhaps with a true point Jalen could thrive and carry this team. The rest of the team just isn't talented enough. With another year under their belts, a couple of true points and Jalen this team could maybe compete in the league. The flipside is is there even an offensive system in place for the players to improve under?

 

[intlzncster]

I think the case is this is a really bad mix of players as far as styles go. One of Jalen or Terry has to go preferably Terry. Perhaps with a true point Jalen could thrive and carry this team. The rest of the team just isn't talented enough. With another year under their belts, a couple of true points and Jalen this team could maybe compete in the league. The flipside is is there even an offensive system in place for the players to improve under?

That's similar to what I was going to say. I typed up:

You could also say that he's getting 2 junk yard dog type players next year at PG (in Gilbert/Akinjo) which should help the team's slack mentality and lack of leadership. Perhaps having some PGs in the fold and moving Adams off the ball will free things up.

He's also getting some shooters that he's failed to recruit prior to this. He seems to have identified that at least. Should open things up for other guys. He's somewhat addressed the recruiting issues with Chillious, but he needs time to work. Chill's recruiting efforts and talent evaluation are probably rubbing off on him as well.

It's admittedly not the strongest case in the world. And I question he has what it takes to turn this around.

What I didn't address was rebounding issues. This has to be addressed. And defense, god the defense.

 

[Tenspro2002]

I think the case is this is a really bad mix of players as far as styles go. One of Jalen or Terry has to go preferably Terry. Perhaps with a true point Jalen could thrive and carry this team. The rest of the team just isn't talented enough. With another year under their belts, a couple of true points and Jalen this team could maybe compete in the league. The flipside is is there even an offensive system in place for the players to improve under?

The problem with Larrier is that his game is predicated on his being the #1 option. And no team is going to win with him being the #1 option.

 

[noeynox]

The problem with Larrier is that his game is predicated on his being the #1 option. And no team is going to win with him being the #1 option.

I get this, but he also gets out sorts if he isn't the 1st option and throws up a ton of garbage shots it seems.

 

[whaler11]

Not pro Ollie, but it's easy. There's a really big buyout.

What's this case you speak of? I can think of some marginal things that everybody is aware of that could certainly improve the product on the floor...but what is this mystery case you speak of?

I’m can’t make it credibily but...

- 4 years from title
- Gilbert hurt
- Chill late to party, needs time
- Identify the home run replacement?
- cost of the buyout

I wouldn’t argue it - but it’s better than the emotional response they post now.

 

[Chief00]

What? All of this stuff is known by many posters.

Confirmed.

 

[Chief00]

Still waiting chief , you can tell me when Miller was the recruiting coordinator off the top of your head I presume.

For KO’s entire tenure until he got fired. I believe Chief already answered this. It’s not that complicated. For the 5th time Miller was Recruiting Coordinator for KO’s entire tenure until Miller got canned. The years Goodman criticized were all Miller coordinated years. Chief picked up on that despite Goodman not connecting the dots and saying how much recruits loved Miller.

 

[TRest]

For KO’s entire tenure until he got fired. I believe Chief already answered this. It’s not that complicated. For the 5th time Miller was Recruiting Coordinator for KO’s entire tenure until Miller got canned. The years Goodman criticized were all Miller coordinated years. Chief picked up on that despite Goodman not connecting the dots and saying how much recruits loved Miller.

Here's the section of the story criticizing recruiting

"....California standout in Daniel Hamilton. Since then, the well seems to have dried up.

UConn's 2016 class was heralded, but Gilbert is on his fourth shoulder surgery. Vance Jackson and Juwan Durham transferred, and a fourth top-100 player from the class, Mamadou Diarra, hardly sees the floor.

Last year's class -- Josh Carlton, Tyler Polley, Isaiah Whaley and Kwintin Williams -- was a far cry from UConn's standards. It was the first time since 2007 that the Huskies didn't land a single top-100 player. Williams chose the Huskies over Big West schools.

Ollie was in the mix for current Kentucky freshman Hamidou Diallo and also had a verbal commitment from freshman guard Makai Ashton-Langford, who ended up choosing Providence. Sources with direct knowledge of both recruitments said Ollie's lack of effort cost him in both cases."

So, last year's class is entirely on Miller? After KO lost the two top targets and most of the class were just warm bodies, brought in after both the exodus of players fleeing KO and Miller's firing?

 

[Hans Sprungfeld]

I’m can’t make it credibily but...

- 4 years from title
- Gilbert hurt
- Chill late to party, needs time
- Identify the home run replacement?
- cost of the buyout

I wouldn’t argue it - but it’s better than the emotional response they post now.

I don't think I could produce a correct answer if I were asked to identify these "pro-Ollie" posters who don't agree more than disagree with what you've written.
Do such posters exist?
I'm not seeing it.
Would any like to identify themselves for me?

 

[Chief00]

Here's the section of the story criticizing recruiting

"....California standout in Daniel Hamilton. Since then, the well seems to have dried up.

UConn's 2016 class was heralded, but Gilbert is on his fourth shoulder surgery. Vance Jackson and Juwan Durham transferred, and a fourth top-100 player from the class, Mamadou Diarra, hardly sees the floor.

Last year's class -- Josh Carlton, Tyler Polley, Isaiah Whaley and Kwintin Williams -- was a far cry from UConn's standards. It was the first time since 2007 that the Huskies didn't land a single top-100 player. Williams chose the Huskies over Big West schools.

Ollie was in the mix for current Kentucky freshman Hamidou Diallo and also had a verbal commitment from freshman guard Makai Ashton-Langford, who ended up choosing Providence. Sources with direct knowledge of both recruitments said Ollie's lack of effort cost him in both cases."

So, last year's class is entirely on Miller? After KO lost the two top targets and most of the class were just warm bodies, brought in after both the exodus of players fleeing KO and Miller's firing?

You are dealing with Chief!
The article started appropriately with the Miller coordinator 2012 /2013 class; you started with 2016 - LOL. This years FR class are largely on Miller. The guys who will be FR in Sept 2018 are on Chill.

 

[TRest]

You are dealing Chief!
The article started appropriately with the Miller coordinator 2012 /2013 class; you started with 2016 - LOL. This years FR class are largely on Miller. The guys who will be FR in Sept 2018 are on Chill.

Goodman wasn't criticizing those classes. And Miller recruited how many of the fab freshman we have right now?Wasn't he the lead guy on MAL, who skipped out once he was let go? Try harder.

 

[UConnNick]

No - I’m saying you can’t blame Jackson’s father because if he was the problem it’s Ollie’s fault he was ever involved with the program.

Yeah part of making $3MM is managing parents - how horrible.

There is a case to be made for Ollie to get another season but none of the pro-Ollie people ever make it. They just try to pretend what has happened it’s his fault.

Everything that has happened is his fault. Ev-ree-thing.

Again as before you contradict yourself. On the one hand, you seem to be indicating that Ollie never should have recruited Jackson because he knew, or should have known, that his father's a whack job. On the other hand, you state Ollie should "manage" parents as part of his job for 3 million dollars a year. So which is it? Either he never plays for UCONN because dad is too much to deal with, or you offer him a schollie and learn to deal with dad.

As for making the argument for Ollie to get another year, I personally won't, pending the final outcome this season. However, your premise that everything is Ollie's fault is patently absurd, unless you're arguing he went out on the court last year and deliberately tore Larrier's ACL, and knocked Gilbert's shoulder out of its socket, and somehow caused all the other injuries.

I will, as I've indicated before, say that in my view, Ollie wildly exceeded expectations in Years 1 and 2, regressed in Year 3, returned to acceptable (top 32 finish) in Year 4, and deserves a free pass due to all the injuries in Year 5. He has no excuses left, if you consider last season's injuries an excuse, for Year 6. To me, that's one bad season out of his first four, a wash for Year 5, and a clearly bad season so far in Year 6, trending downward toward the finish line. If it plays out the way it looks to be headed, it's time for a change.

 

[Tenspro2002]

Again as before you contradict yourself. On the one hand, you seem to be indicating that Ollie never should have recruited Jackson because he knew, or should have known, that his father's a whack job. On the other hand, you state Ollie should "manage" parents as part of his job for 3 million dollars a year. So which is it? Either he never plays for UCONN because dad is too much to deal with, or you offer him a schollie and learn to deal with dad.

As for making the argument for Ollie to get another year, I personally won't, pending the final outcome this season. However, your premise that everything is Ollie's fault is patently absurd, unless you're arguing he went out on the court last year and deliberately tore Larrier's ACL, and knocked Gilbert's shoulder out of its socket, and somehow caused all the other injuries.

I will, as I've indicated before, say that in my view, Ollie wildly exceeded expectations in Years 1 and 2, regressed in Year 3, returned to acceptable (top 32 finish) in Year 4, and deserves a free pass due to all the injuries in Year 5. He has no excuses left, if you consider last season's injuries an excuse, for Year 6. To me, that's one bad season out of his first four, a wash for Year 5, and a clearly bad season so far in Year 6, trending downward toward the finish line. If it plays out the way it looks to be headed, it's time for a change.

Ignore who wasn't here and consider who was.

Last year's team had a sophomore Jalen Adams, seniors Purvis, Facey, and Brimah, as well as sophomore Enoch and freshmen Jackson, Vital, and Durham. You don't think that team should have at least contended for an NCAAT appearance?

By the way, your "acceptable" year 4 was a team that underachieved for about 30 games before Adams's miracle shot.

That's 4 sub-par years in a row, including lows that the program hasn't experienced in 30 years.

 

[whaler11]

Again as before you contradict yourself. On the one hand, you seem to be indicating that Ollie never should have recruited Jackson because he knew, or should have known, that his father's a whack job. On the other hand, you state Ollie should "manage" parents as part of his job for 3 million dollars a year. So which is it? Either he never plays for UCONN because dad is too much to deal with, or you offer him a schollie and learn to deal with dad.

As for making the argument for Ollie to get another year, I personally won't, pending the final outcome this season. However, your premise that everything is Ollie's fault is patently absurd, unless you're arguing he went out on the court last year and deliberately tore Larrier's ACL, and knocked Gilbert's shoulder out of its socket, and somehow caused all the other injuries.

I will, as I've indicated before, say that in my view, Ollie wildly exceeded expectations in Years 1 and 2, regressed in Year 3, returned to acceptable (top 32 finish) in Year 4, and deserves a free pass due to all the injuries in Year 5. He has no excuses left, if you consider last season's injuries an excuse, for Year 6. To me, that's one bad season out of his first four, a wash for Year 5, and a clearly bad season so far in Year 6, trending downward toward the finish line. If it plays out the way it looks to be headed, it's time for a change.

Good grief. Whatever buddy.

 

[UConnNick]

Ignore who wasn't here and consider who was.

Last year's team had a sophomore Jalen Adams, seniors Purvis, Facey, and Brimah, as well as sophomore Enoch and freshmen Jackson, Vital, and Durham. You don't think that team should have at least contended for an NCAAT appearance?

By the way, your "acceptable" year 4 was a team that underachieved for about 30 games before Adams's miracle shot.

That's 4 sub-par years in a row, including lows that the program hasn't experienced in 30 years.

Not with injuries to a guy who would have started at PG (Gilbert) another scorer (Larrier), another big body to use off the bench (Diarra), and nagging injuries to other players for the entire season or large parts of it, including our best player (Adams). We had stretches of weeks at a time where we suited up only six scholarship players. Adams had to play out of position at PG, and Enoch never panned out. I actually think the team overachieved to reach the AAC semis and play a reasonably close game to get to the championship game, given the crushing string of injuries. Yes, it was a subpar year based on long term results, but it would have likely included several more wins with Gilbert and Larrier available for most or all of the season.

 

[SECONN]

For KO’s entire tenure until he got fired. I believe Chief already answered this. It’s not that complicated. For the 5th time Miller was Recruiting Coordinator for KO’s entire tenure until Miller got canned. The years Goodman criticized were all Miller coordinated years. Chief picked up on that despite Goodman not connecting the dots and saying how much recruits loved Miller.

I connected the dots and you are saying Ollie cannot recruit. Goodman connected the dots in there was no reason for those players to stay or come to UCONN if Miller was not there. This years class is not on Miller except possibly Polley and Carlton.

The head coach is supposed to close the deal. Diallo got recruited by Cal......Why couldn't Ollie close the deal with Diallo?

 

[UConn_Top_Dog]

Not in the least...actually laughing at what a moran you are...please keep the posts coming they sure are comical!

What's a moran?

 

[JMick]

What's a moran?

https://i.imgur.com/xbiqykK.jpg

 

[Waquoit]

I get the feeling Ollie started to believe his own press clippings and thought players would come to him.

 

[SeattleHoop]

Not in the least...actually laughing at what a moran you are...please keep the posts coming they sure are comical!

I’m the only Moran I know on this forum. Don’t tarnish the name

 

[Marat]

Yeah this is what I basically said earlier. It may have been better for KO to get NC #4 now instead of in 2014.

I get the feeling Ollie started to believe his own press clippings and thought players would come to him.

 

[Chief00]

I connected the dots and you are saying Ollie cannot recruit. Goodman connected the dots in there was no reason for those players to stay or come to UCONN if Miller was not there. This years class is not on Miller except possibly Polley and Carlton.

The head coach is supposed to close the deal. Diallo got recruited by Cal.Why couldn't Ollie close the deal with Diallo?

Again Miller was the “Lead Recruiter” 2012 to when Chill took over in March 2017. Chill is responsible for the 2018/2019 FR. You can’t hold Chill responsible for the current first year guys.

 

[SECONN]

Again Miller was the “Lead Recruiter” 2012 to when Chill took over in March 2017. Chill is responsible for the 2018/2019 FR. You can’t hold Chill responsible for the current first year guys.

Miller was gone in 3/17.........three of the class were signed after....one in may and two in september (if my memory is correct)....how is that on Miller

I would assume that Chill had to close the deal on those targeted by Miller or look else where........do we know these were the guys Miller was hoping to bring here or did they all lose interest and Chill and Ollie began fresh