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Last nights game was a perfect example of the uncertainty of constant outside shooting. Hawkins and Jackson were throttled by Marquette's, while closing in on Sanogo, whenever he got the ball in the paint. Outstanding defensive plan by Shaka Smart. By contrast, UC's perimeter D had multiple lapses in second half. Several times they did not rotate to the corner, and gave Marguette open looks, in which they didn't miss, while, in UC's case they did miss. Potential tourney opponents will be looking at this tape, and devising a defensive plan to throttle UC.
 
I'm not a fan of taking 2 threes to try to win the game down by 2. All we needed was an easy bucket to tie and go to overtime. Unfortunately no one can drive to the lane for an easy layup. I probably would have gone to Sanogo. But they insisted on taking a three. Oh well.
 
We missed 3’s, they didn’t. They hit free throws, we didn’t. They played lock down D, we didn’t. Their scorers came to play, our’s didn’t. Maybe the bright lights of the big city was too much? I don’t know.
 
We were 7/25 from 3. We hit one more last night we win. The fact that we missed 18 and still only lost by two tells me we played well in many other areas. I’m pumped for next week. We better take a full 40 minute beating to whomever is unlucky enough to get us in the first game.
 
We missed 3’s, they didn’t. They hit free throws, we didn’t. They played lock down D, we didn’t. Their scorers came to play, our’s didn’t. Maybe the bright lights of the big city was too much? I don’t know.
lol.

This is how you describe a 2-point loss to the #6 team in the country when we had a few game winning shot attempts.
 
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I'm not a fan of taking 2 threes to try to win the game down by 2. All we needed was an easy bucket to tie and go to overtime. Unfortunately no one can drive to the lane for an easy layup. I probably would have gone to Sanogo. But they insisted on taking a three. Oh well.
They were the only shots open at the time.
 
Tell me exactly what is off on my post? Did we hit threes? Did Hawkins score? Did our defense have lapses? Did we hit our free throws?

"They played lock down D, we didn’t." We played 2-points worth of difference in the defense. This is obviously an exaggeration. If our defense had lapses, so obviously did theirs, otherwise it wouldn't have ended in a one possession game in which we had the ball with a chance to win. They didn't score for the last 3:42 of the game...

"Their scorers came to play, our’s didn’t." It was a 2-point game. If you're judging that Hawkins is our only scorer, he was pretty bad. But, um, Sanogo had 19. And we found enough scoring to have multiple FG attempts to tie or give ourselves the lead.

All of your initial post reeks of over-exaggerated whining. If I hadn't known the score or watched the game, I'd have thought this was either a blowout in Marquette's favor or that we lost by 2 to a 13 seed. This was two top 10 teams playing a tough game and they outplayed us...barely. We can lament that we lost, but this is college basketball: when two top 10 teams play, a very good team is going to lose.
 
They were the only shots open at the time.
And why is that?

1. Because we were clearly only trying to get open for a 3.
2. Sanogo was isolated one on one in the post.
3. We didn't take a TO to call out a play in the last possession.
4. Driving lanes were open because everyone but Sanogo was on the perimeter. We just don't have anyone that can drive. Except Newton but he goes into the defender and doesn't get the call.
 
If Jordan gets hot, this team will win #5, plain and simple. We have the talent to make it to the second week, just playing our game. Then, if we can get some 5-9 from 3 games, we’ll be cutting down nets. It’s going to happen.

Dwell on the loss today, then get your swagger back boys
 
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"They played lock down D, we didn’t." We played 2-points worth of difference in the defense. This is obviously an exaggeration. If our defense had lapses, so obviously did theirs, otherwise it wouldn't have ended in a one possession game in which we had the ball with a chance to win. They didn't score for the last 3:42 of the game...

"Their scorers came to play, our’s didn’t." It was a 2-point game. If you're judging that Hawkins is our only scorer, he was pretty bad. But, um, Sanogo had 19. And we found enough scoring to have multiple FG attempts to tie or give ourselves the lead.

All of your initial post reeks of over-exaggerated whining. If I hadn't known the score or watched the game, I'd have thought this was either a blowout in Marquette's favor or that we lost by 2 to a 13 seed. This was two top 10 teams playing a tough game and they outplayed us...barely. We can lament that we lost, but this is college basketball: when two top 10 teams play, a very good team is going to lose.
I think you’re taking my post as whining, that’s not the case. Simply, if any one of these are different, we win. That’s all.
 
"They played lock down D, we didn’t." We played 2-points worth of difference in the defense. This is obviously an exaggeration. If our defense had lapses, so obviously did theirs, otherwise it wouldn't have ended in a one possession game in which we had the ball with a chance to win. They didn't score for the last 3:42 of the game...
Marquette is one of the best offenses in the country too (#6 according to Kenpom). We held them to 10 points below their season average. Definitely a weird game to try to put blame on the defense when we shot 60% from the line and 28% from 3.
 
Last nights game was a perfect example of the uncertainty of constant outside shooting. Hawkins and Jackson were throttled by Marquette's, while closing in on Sanogo, whenever he got the ball in the paint. Outstanding defensive plan by Shaka Smart. By contrast, UC's perimeter D had multiple lapses in second half. Several times they did not rotate to the corner, and gave Marguette open looks, in which they didn't miss, while, in UC's case they did miss. Potential tourney opponents will be looking at this tape, and devising a defensive plan to throttle UC.

Expected value of a 40% 3pt shooter taking 10 shots = 12 pts

Expected value of a 60% 2pt shooter taking 10 shots = 12 pts

You take the open shots that your shooters have a high EV of taking.

You also realize that 3pt shooters open up the game for 2pt shooters.

It’s really that simple.

The title of your post doesn’t really match with your point in the post.

Marquette got and made more quality 3pt shots. We just didn’t make as many.

The 3pt shot is not going away. Appreciate the effect it has in the game. It makes it a better game.
 
Some were lacking on the defensive end which was really disappointing.
On defense when he’s near the rim, Clingan leaving the ball carrier to stick with his man in the paint instead of helping out on defense. He should be standing his ground and keeping his hands up at the rim. Gave up 3 or 4 baskets because of this.
 
We missed 3’s, they didn’t. They hit free throws, we didn’t. They played lock down D, we didn’t. Their scorers came to play, our’s didn’t. Maybe the bright lights of the big city was too much? I don’t know.
Lol, it was a two point loss to the 6th ranked team in the AP. We should’ve won the game, but it’s not like we were blown out.

“Maybe the bright lights of the big city was too much?“

confused golden globes GIF
 
On defense when he’s near the rim, Clingan leaving the ball carrier to stick with his man in the paint instead of helping out on defense. He should be standing his ground and keeping his hands up at the rim. Gave up 3 or 4 baskets because of this.

lol please Clingan made them miss shots and made them back out on dribble penetration a few times. Not sure what game you were watching. Sanogo was horrid on that end so maybe you mixed them up.
 
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Lol, it was a two point loss to the 6th ranked team in the AP. We should’ve won the game, but it’s not like we were blown out.

“Maybe the bright lights of the big city was too much?“

confused golden globes GIF
Does it only count as .5 L because it was close?
 
But, um, Sanogo had 19.
Sanogo had 19 but was directly responsible for at least 20 Marquette points last night. He was -11 for the game on floor and just getting torched on the bounce early last night and lost on helps and recovers for the rest of game. For such a smart, hard working kid his lack of defensive principle awareness really hurts at times.
 
Both teams played horridly down the stretch. Marquette gave us many chances to tie or win. We gave them lots of chances to pull away.

We shot okay from three but they shot better. If Joey makes his 30 footer and Marquette misses their 30 footer, I think it's a different result.

The result was in the balance in the last minute.
 
Our best player on a pure talent level is Hawk. He is a first round NBA pick in a couple months. We need him to be something close to that in big games. His talent is part of the thing that should set us apart from other teams. In the games at Marquette and last night he was a combined 3-19 from the floor including 2-12 from three (and one of those was a banked in 3 pointer). He was great in the home game at XL versus them. I read his quotes after the game and feel horrible for him. He has a sub par game rather than an atrocious one, we win kinda easily. I am focused on Hawk because he is the best player we have - the Ray, Rip, Kemba, etc guy that is supposed to be the guy other teams just can’t stop. Marquette stopped him twice. Hawk had open shots that he usually makes and nothing dropped - hopefully he comes back really strong this week as he closes out his time at UConn over the next month
 
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Love Hawk, and I don’t think you’re comparing him to Ray, Rip or Kemba, but he’s not nearly at their level. Maybe if he came back for his junior year.
 
Our best player on a pure talent level is Hawk. He is a first round NBA pick in a couple months. We need him to be something close to that in big games. His talent is part of the thing that should set us apart from other teams. In the games at Marquette and last night he was a combined 3-19 from the floor including 2-12 from three (and one of those was a banked in 3 pointer). He was great in the home game at XL versus them. I read his quotes after the game and feel horrible for him. He has a sub par game rather than an atrocious one, we win kinda easily. I am focused on Hawk because he is the best player we have - the Ray, Rip, Kemba, etc guy that is supposed to be the guy other teams just can’t stop. Marquette stopped him twice. Hawk had open shots that he usually makes and nothing dropped - hopefully he comes back really strong this week as he closes out his time at UConn over the next month
He is not a Ray, Rip, Kemba type of guy. They were all national POY candidates. Hawkins made all conference because we put a 6th player on the team.

Hawkins is a really good player for us who has a lot of NBA potential. But anyone comparing him to Ray, Rip or Kemba (or Donyell, Okafor or Shabazz for that matter) is just setting themselves up for disappointment, because he is not that good a college player. Not even close.
 
Some were lacking on the defensive end which was really disappointing.
What was it, 3 times in the 2nd half, that they left someone WIDE OPEN in the right corner, and Marquette hit the 3. No one was even close to him. THAT is terrible defense. Smart had his kids playing lockdown defense for 40 minutes. You can't have multiple lapses like that at tourney time.
 
Our best player on a pure talent level is Hawk. He is a first round NBA pick in a couple months. We need him to be something close to that in big games. His talent is part of the thing that should set us apart from other teams. In the games at Marquette and last night he was a combined 3-19 from the floor including 2-12 from three (and one of those was a banked in 3 pointer). He was great in the home game at XL versus them. I read his quotes after the game and feel horrible for him. He has a sub par game rather than an atrocious one, we win kinda easily. I am focused on Hawk because he is the best player we have - the Ray, Rip, Kemba, etc guy that is supposed to be the guy other teams just can’t stop. Marquette stopped him twice. Hawk had open shots that he usually makes and nothing dropped - hopefully he comes back really strong this week as he closes out his time at UConn over the next month

Problem is it’s not just Marquette who has stopped him. Despite scoring a few points in a couple games in the last 5 he hasn’t shot the ball well at all as of late. He’s had to shoot a lot even when getting to the 20 point game or close.

He’s 24-68 overall and 12-44 from 3 last 5. It’s fixable no doubt but he can’t be that guy at the Dance if we are hoping to make a run at all. Needs to show up and play, both ends. I will be honest he’s much more focused on D when he’s making shots than when he’s not. That also needs to change bring it on the other end even during your struggles on O.

Time for him to show up or we can throw away the Ray, Rip comparisons. He’s not close but let’s see.
 
Tell me exactly what is off on my post? Did we hit threes? Did Hawkins score? Did our defense have lapses? Did we hit our free throws?
Don't speak heresy
 
I'm not a fan of taking 2 threes to try to win the game down by 2. All we needed was an easy bucket to tie and go to overtime. Unfortunately no one can drive to the lane for an easy layup. I probably would have gone to Sanogo. But they insisted on taking a three. Oh well.
Have to agree here. I'm generally for not calling a TO in that situation as that helps the D as much as you. Our guys should be smart enough and good enough by now to get the ball up quickly and start the offense w/o wasting time. One thing about missing AJax is he pushes tempo whereas Newton likes to settle above the key. On the last play it took Newton 4 seconds to cross half court.

That said, Hurley had 7.5 seconds if he wanted to call a TO. In hindsight, maybe he should've called it. I probably would've put Alleyne in for Joey there (Joey had just missed two open treys and Alleyne is crazy enough to crash the hoop and draw a foul). Hell, Hurley could've been a hero to half the BY there and put Clingan in too along with Adama. You're playing for the last shot with Sanogo, Clingan, Karaban, Newton and Alleyne. How in hell would Marquette defend that?

Anyway, OT would've been fine. Marquette was losing the war of attrition. In the post game locker room speech, Shaka talked about getting five stops at the end of the game. Well, so did we. In fact, Marquette didn't score in final 3:40. Nobody scored in the final 2:30, which is something you rarely see with teams as good as this. We had better looks but couldn't convert.

Just to put on the record, after Marquette went ahead 70-66 at 3:40, here are the final possessions:
3:22 Alleyne pass inside to Sanogo blocked, TO for MU
3:10 Jones missed 3 (22 secs on shot clock)
2:43 Alleyne missed 3 (5 secs on shot clock), UConn rebound
2:38 Sanogo layup after Marquette tips intercepted pass to Hawk, who feeds Adama
2:22 Jones falls down (no call) resulting in TO
2:17 Alleyne feeds Hawk for wide open transition 3, missed
2:14 Rebound goes OB, called a jump ball, UConn retains possession
1:55 Hawk misses short contested floater bank shot, (2 secs on shot clock). Could've slipped a pass to an open Sanogo underneath. AJax fouls out trying to tie up Prosper.
1:53 Prosper misses front end of 1 and 1.
1:21 Newton uses a ton of time at top of key. Passes to Hawk with 4 secs left, Hawk has open 10 footer, but passes to Joey, who rims a trey with 1 second on clock.
0:56 Kolek misses twisting 8 footer. Sanogo rebounds.
0:49 UConn timeout.
0:41 Newton hits wide open Joey on left wing. Joey rims another trey with 15 secs on shot clock. Rebound goes straight down to Kolek, not boxed out by Sanogo.
0:12 Kolek misses a trey with 4 secs on shot clock. Sanogo rebounds. Maybe bad decision by Kolek there, could've run off another couple seconds and tried to draw a foul going to hoop.
0:07.5 Newton crosses midcourt... and it goes to hell from there. Newton dribbles for 4 seconds. Sanogo has position on his man at 3.5 secs for what should be an easy bounce pass and layup. Newton holds ball another 1.5 seconds before finding Hawk for a desperation three as clock runs out.

All in all, Hurley could've called a TO at 7.5 left. But other than that, our guys played pretty solid ball at the end and just didn't make shots.
 
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