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I don't agree with all the fuss about Lin's turnovers. You have to look at all the other numbers and more importantly, W-L. Lin had FOURTEEN assists against the Mavs. If any analyst saw a 2:1 A:TO ratio, they'd be saying that is a fantastic number. Add in points, steal, rebounds (and the all important intangibles) and that TO number all of a sudden doesn't look too bad. Further, Lin has the ball in his hands almost all the time - so he is actually absorbing turnovers from others that would otherwise be handling the ball.

Granted, there a times when Lin drives the lane and I cringe as he gets stripped, but I think he will only get better in this regard.

I think that's a great point. Lin handles the ball for the Knicks like 80% to 90% of the time. His style of basketball will produce some turnovers but would you want him to stop attacking the rim and get less turnovers? If I am the coach, I would tell him to keep doing what he is doing because there are plenty of positive things that do happen when he goes aggressively to the rim.

He also had 5 steals yesterday, which almost negates his 6 TOs. BTW, Jeremy Lin is the FIRST NBA player this year to have 28 points, 14 assists and 5 steals. Think about that for a sec.
 
Right, and Warner was ignored. He was only the biggest story in the league that first year with the Rams.

And don't kid yourself. Guys come out of nowhere to become NFL superstars all the time. Warren Moon, John Randle, Priest Holmes, Antonio Gates. It is much less common in the NBA, and the point can't be reasonably argued.

To modify your original post, if Lin wasn't Asian and in NY, he'd be just another guy who did something that hadn't been done before.

"Right, and Warner was ignored. He was only the biggest story in the league that first year with the Rams."
-true he was a big story, but Linsanity big? I think not, lol look at this website, there are ads all over selling Linsanity gear, the kid has less than 10 games under his belt

"And don't kid yourself. Guys come out of nowhere to become NFL superstars all the time. Warren Moon, John Randle, Priest Holmes, Antonio Gates. It is much less common in the NBA, and the point can't be reasonably argued."
-oh ok thosed guys were NFL MVPS! Not to mention Super Bowl MVP as well as still holding the top 3 records for most yards thrown in the game, yes they may have their pro bowls, but nowhere near the accolades of Warner. But don't forget about John Starks and Ben Wallace who were All Stars and Superstars at one point in time as well.

To modify your original post, if Lin wasn't Asian and in NY, he'd be just another guy who did something that hadn't been done before...
- Thanks, but no thanks. I don't want you to modify it :)
 
That is true. And consistent with every post I've made. It is not consistent with your original post. If you're now saying "yes, Lin is a big time basketball story but wouldn't be the national phenomenon but for his ethnicity and location" I think you'd find no one is disagreeing with you.

And yet, you remain combative. Great.

Apologies, did want to come off aggressive. (It must be from getting attacked at every angle) But yes,that is what I am saying and have said. There would be no "Linsanity" if it werent for where he played and his backround. I'm glad we're all in agreement now
 
The reason that Lin is such a huge story is because it so unlikely. The fact that he is the first Asian-American ever to play in the NBA, and the fact that he is doing it on the Knicks are only two of factors that make it so unlikely. As many have noted, there is simply no other story like it in the NBA--ever. John Starks is the only one I can think of as remotely similar, but Starks had Ewing, among others, on that team. Lin's ascent started with his team in a death spiral, the coach likely days away from either quitting or being fired, Lin himself days away from being cut (again), and the team's two marquee stars not playing.

If this story had happened in Memphis or anywhere else it would still be a big story, but it would be one that I was not watching every game, and I would only be aware of it through the headlines and highlights, which I sense is the case for many here. I like but do not love the NBA. Not enough to watch teams for which I do not root. The reason I am watching is because I am a Knicks fan and have been since birth, for better or worse. Even so, I honestly can't remember the last time I watched a Knicks regular season game from tip to buzzer, and in the past two weeks I have watched several. They are now an interesting, fun team to watch, and NY has been so starved for NBA relevance for so long that anyone--no matter what race, background, etc.--who made them relevant again would be heralded. If anything, Lin's story underscores what a massive blunder (imo) LeBron made in not choosing the Knicks. LeBron is everything Lin is not, but if he restored NBA legitimacy to the Knicks, he would be walking alongside Eli right now with the city on his shoulders. They don't call MSG "The World's Most Famous Arena" for nothing. This was such a golden opportunity, and the fact that it was passed up by the most likely of heroes and taken up by the least likely is, well, a huge story. Hard to understand how someone could not see that, and as many have noted, it likely says more about those who don't get or enjoy it. I feel sorry for them, because it is such a great human story, not just in sports but in life. Who knows how long it will last, but to not enjoy it is, imo, to not enjoy the essence of life itself.

From his dim comments here and his "white girl" comment in the Shabazz thread, I sense that "sammydabiz" is a troll with bigoted tendencies (to put it lightly). But in the hopes that some actual learning can occur here, sammy, please understand that your flip-flop is as transparent as a bad magician's trick. I will give you the opposite advice that you gave someone above: do not try law school, because you are apparently unable to grasp basic reason and logic. You started by saying that the only reason Lin is a big story is because of his race and the fact that he has done it on the Knicks. You quickly flipped to defending a point you never made, and which no one else has challenged; i.e., that Lin's race, among other things, have played a part in the story. That is called making a straw-man argument, and it is a favorite of dim-witted trolls who have been outed. You later sunk to other sports in a desperate attempt to defend what is plainly indefensible, so take the advice from others and stop digging. Either man up and admit you were off-base, or get lost. And maybe, just maybe, you can find something to enjoy from this story.
 
The reason that Lin is such a huge story is because it so unlikely. The fact that he is the first Asian-American ever to play in the NBA, and the fact that he is doing it on the Knicks are only two of factors that make it so unlikely. As many have noted, there is simply no other story like it in the NBA--ever. John Starks is the only one I can think of as remotely similar, but Starks had Ewing, among others, on that team. Lin's ascent started with his team in a death spiral, the coach likely days away from either quitting or being fired, Lin himself days away from being cut (again), and the team's two marquee stars not playing.

If this story had happened in Memphis or anywhere else it would still be a big story, but it would be one that I was not watching every game, and I would only be aware of it through the headlines and highlights, which I sense is the case for many here. I like but do not love the NBA. Not enough to watch teams for which I do not root. The reason I am watching is because I am a Knicks fan and have been since birth, for better or worse. Even so, I honestly can't remember the last time I watched a Knicks regular season game from tip to buzzer, and in the past two weeks I have watched several. They are now an interesting, fun team to watch, and NY has been so starved for NBA relevance for so long that anyone--no matter what race, background, etc.--who made them relevant again would be heralded. If anything, Lin's story underscores what a massive blunder (imo) LeBron made in not choosing the Knicks. LeBron is everything Lin is not, but if he restored NBA legitimacy to the Knicks, he would be walking alongside Eli right now with the city on his shoulders. They don't call MSG "The World's Most Famous Arena" for nothing. This was such a golden opportunity, and the fact that it was passed up by the most likely of heroes and taken up by the least likely is, well, a huge story. Hard to understand how someone could not see that, and as many have noted, it likely says more about those who don't get or enjoy it. I feel sorry for them, because it is such a great human story, not just in sports but in life. Who knows how long it will last, but to not enjoy it is, imo, to not enjoy the essence of life itself.

From his dim comments here and his "white girl" comment in the Shabazz thread, I sense that "sammydabiz" is a troll with bigoted tendencies (to put it lightly). But in the hopes that some actual learning can occur here, sammy, please understand that your flip-flop is as transparent as a bad magician's trick. I will give you the opposite advice that you gave someone above: do not try law school, because you are apparently unable to grasp basic reason and logic. You started by saying that the only reason Lin is a big story is because of his race and the fact that he has done it on the Knicks. You quickly flipped to defending a point you never made, and which no one else has challenged; i.e., that Lin's race, among other things, have played a part in the story. That is called making a straw-man argument, and it is a favorite of dim-witted trolls who have been outed. You later sunk to other sports in a desperate attempt to defend what is plainly indefensible, so take the advice from others and stop digging. Either man up and admit you were off-base, or get lost. And maybe, just maybe, you can find something to enjoy from this story.

John Starks did not come out of the blue, grab a starting spot and start playing as well as anyone in the league from day one. Starks went from bench to rotation to starter to solid player/minor star. When he first started getting minutes for the Knicks, he was an outstanding defender and was awful on offense.
 
John Starks did not come out of the blue, grab a starting spot and start playing as well as anyone in the league from day one. Starks went from bench to rotation to starter to solid player/minor star. When he first started getting minutes for the Knicks, he was an outstanding defender and was awful on offense.
I didn't say Starks was comparable to Lin. I said he was the only one I could think of as remotely similar. Those similarities being: no notable college hoops career; undrafted; bounced around the lesser-league equivalents of today's D-league; cut from at least a few other NBA teams before landing on the Knicks as a backup; on the verge of being cut from the Knicks; ends up being starting point guard for the Knicks during a pretty decent, though hardly remarkable period. I agree it's not close, which is the whole point here. I've been wracking my brain for anything remotely similar, and Starks was the closest I could think of in the NBA. There may be others who are closer, and if so I'm interested to hear about them; but the fact that I have to go that far to try and find the next closest comparison speaks volumes imo about how unlikely the Lin story is.
 
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The reason that Lin is such a huge story is because it so unlikely. The fact that he is the first Asian-American ever to play in the NBA, and the fact that he is doing it on the Knicks are only two of factors that make it so unlikely. As many have noted, there is simply no other story like it in the NBA--ever. John Starks is the only one I can think of as remotely similar, but Starks had Ewing, among others, on that team. Lin's ascent started with his team in a death spiral, the coach likely days away from either quitting or being fired, Lin himself days away from being cut (again), and the team's two marquee stars not playing.

If this story had happened in Memphis or anywhere else it would still be a big story, but it would be one that I was not watching every game, and I would only be aware of it through the headlines and highlights, which I sense is the case for many here. I like but do not love the NBA. Not enough to watch teams for which I do not root. The reason I am watching is because I am a Knicks fan and have been since birth, for better or worse. Even so, I honestly can't remember the last time I watched a Knicks regular season game from tip to buzzer, and in the past two weeks I have watched several. They are now an interesting, fun team to watch, and NY has been so starved for NBA relevance for so long that anyone--no matter what race, background, etc.--who made them relevant again would be heralded. If anything, Lin's story underscores what a massive blunder (imo) LeBron made in not choosing the Knicks. LeBron is everything Lin is not, but if he restored NBA legitimacy to the Knicks, he would be walking alongside Eli right now with the city on his shoulders. They don't call MSG "The World's Most Famous Arena" for nothing. This was such a golden opportunity, and the fact that it was passed up by the most likely of heroes and taken up by the least likely is, well, a huge story. Hard to understand how someone could not see that, and as many have noted, it likely says more about those who don't get or enjoy it. I feel sorry for them, because it is such a great human story, not just in sports but in life. Who knows how long it will last, but to not enjoy it is, imo, to not enjoy the essence of life itself.

From his dim comments here and his "white girl" comment in the Shabazz thread, I sense that "sammydabiz" is a troll with bigoted tendencies (to put it lightly). But in the hopes that some actual learning can occur here, sammy, please understand that your flip-flop is as transparent as a bad magician's trick. I will give you the opposite advice that you gave someone above: do not try law school, because you are apparently unable to grasp basic reason and logic. You started by saying that the only reason Lin is a big story is because of his race and the fact that he has done it on the Knicks. You quickly flipped to defending a point you never made, and which no one else has challenged; i.e., that Lin's race, among other things, have played a part in the story. That is called making a straw-man argument, and it is a favorite of dim-witted trolls who have been outed. You later sunk to other sports in a desperate attempt to defend what is plainly indefensible, so take the advice from others and stop digging. Either man up and admit you were off-base, or get lost. And maybe, just maybe, you can find something to enjoy from this story.

Dear 887653,

Who's flip flopping?!? I like how you put "only" in bold, considering I never used the word. So before you attempt to write your next great essay on how I am wrong and a horrible person get some credible facts before you try to persecute another. What I did say was "This whole "Linsanity" is purely based off of race and the fact he plays in NY." that is not saying he hasn't played well nor the fact that he doesn't deserve a pat on the back (he's been playing great, heck I compared him to Westbrook). But to put him on a pedestal with this ongoing hoopla of Linsanity is due to the fact that he plays in the biggest media market and his unlikely heritage. And in my defense many on here have agreed with me. To disregard the Warner comparrison would be quite close minded of you, surprising since you seem like such an educated fellow with your ability to write such eloquent posts filled with contradictions and slander towards myself.

But I digress, and refuse to stoop to your level of juvenile name-calling. I'll take solace In the fact that my point was well received, and agreed upon by others. The only thing transparent 8876342, is your lack of dignity. Hope you have a good day ;)
 
I like how you put "only" in bold, considering I never used the word. So before you attempt to write your next great essay on how I am wrong and a horrible person get some credible facts before you try to persecute another. What I did say was "This whole "Linsanity" is purely based off of race and the fact he plays in NY."

Purely and only are pretty closely defined in this context.
 
Duly noted,

I'm not saying Lin isn't putting up great numbers, I'm just saying there is no way he'd be getting this messiah treatment if it weren't for being Asian and playing in NY. My best argument would be that of Kurt Warner, came from nothing to win a champinship his first year starting, and went on to win another one. In his IMO hall of Fame career, yes he may of got his 10 minute skit on his life on ESPN, but did he EVER get 3/4 of the treatment Lin has got in only what? 8 games in. Kurt Warneranity (ya try again) And coming from a shelf stocker in Iowa to Superbowl MVP is way better of a story.


Well Kurt Warneranity sounds stupid. :p

Seriously though, it's impossible to say it is because he is Chinese or in NYC that he is causing this to-do. There has quite literally never been another player like Lin (taking out location and race). I can't think of another player that has been so lowly thought of and played so well so immediately after all the trials before hand.

It's like Armon Johnson, Terrico White, Andy Rautins, or Willie Warren starting in the NBA tomorrow and putting up double double. If you are wondering why I mention those players, they are all 2010 second round PG/SG's taken ahead of Lin.
 
Don't be that guy. The definition of purely is "to a full extent : totally." Sounds like "only" to me.


Sure I guess only could be linked to purely, but so can: chiefly, basically, mostly, generally, largely, principally.
 
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Please, Tebow had as much to do with winning those 7 games as Giffey did winning the tourney last year. Atleast Lin actually has skill that is worthy of praise. Tim Tebow sucked for 3 1/2 quarters and would pull a drive out of his arse to end the game. If it wasn't for the Denver D, Tim Tebow would be a non story right now. That no talent ass clown deserves minimal credit for Denver's run this past season. And if I was Lin, I'd be pissed having Tebows skill set, compared to his.

You clearly didn't understand my post at all, so I'll spell it out for you slowly. You said "Lin wouldn't be getting this press if he weren't Asian or in NY." I gave you a very recent example of somebody who is neither Asian nor in New York, yet got just as much publicity. I am not comparing their talent levels, I am comparing the amount of coverage they received. Sorry you didn't understand that from that start, although I don't understand why, since you were the one that made the original point.
 
You clearly didn't understand my post at all, so I'll spell it out for you slowly. You said "Lin wouldn't be getting this press if he weren't Asian or in NY." I gave you a very recent example of somebody who is neither Asian nor in New York, yet got just as much publicity. I am not comparing their talent levels, I am comparing the amount of coverage they received. Sorry you didn't understand that from that start, although I don't understand why, since you were the one that made the original point.


Tebow and Lin are apples and oranges:

Tebow: College National Champ, Heisman winner, first round draft pick, documentary of him in high school, statue of him and a plaque of his famous quote at UF, etc, etc

Are you really going to tell me that their rise to fame is comparable?!? Tebow was top ten in jersey sales before his run this year. His following was established years ago.

Now for Lin to IMO surpass the hoopla of Tebow-mania in under 10 games, and it isn't largely influenced by where he plays or his background, I'd be hard pressed to believe that.
 
Like I said before, people love an underdog story. Tebow was a great college player, but there are plenty of guys who are great in college but never sniff success in the NFL. He was supposed to be one of those guys, according to just about everybody who plays or covers football. He rose above all of that talk, and had tremendous success.

Obviously, seeing an Asian-American have success in the NBA is rare, and adds to all of this, as does him being in New York. But you're kidding yourself if you think this wouldn't be a big story if, like I said, he was doing this in a different market and was not Asian. Maybe not as big, but still very big.
 
Sure they can, unless you want to argue with Webster, because that's where I just got it. :rolleyes:

None of those words are synonyms, according to the site. So unless you like being imprecise in your language, you're wrong.
 
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This video summarizes the Jeremy Lin story fairly well. Jeremy Lin story is not even close to be the same as Tebow. Tebow was a blue chip recruit who played at Florida. Jeremy could not even get a DIII school to give him a scholarship even though he was the CA state player with the year, had a 64-3 high school record and beat the Mater Dei high school from southern Cal full of D1A recruits. Also, whoever said Jeremy Lin is cocky got no idea what he is talking about. There is nothing cocky about this kid. He has this incredible quiet confidence that's hard to describe. He is extremely tough mentally which is the thing that separates him from other PGs that might fit the stereotypical mold better than him.

 
This video summarizes the Jeremy Lin story fairly well. Jeremy Lin story is not even close to be the same as Tebow. Tebow was a blue chip recruit who played at Florida. Jeremy could not even get a DIII school to give him a scholarship even though he was the CA state player with the year, had a 64-3 high school record and beat the Mater Dei high school from southern Cal full of D1A recruits. Also, whoever said Jeremy Lin is cocky got no idea what he is talking about. There is nothing cocky about this kid. He has this incredible quiet confidence that's hard to describe. He is extremely tough mentally which is the thing that separates him from other PGs that might fit the stereotypical mold better than him.



It is a good thing no D-III school offered him a scholarship, because they are forbidden from having athletic scholarships.

That having been said, I agree with the bulk of your post.
 
It is a good thing no D-III school offered him a scholarship, because they are forbidden from having athletic scholarships.

That having been said, I agree with the bulk of your post.

Sorry, Jeremy himself said in Sunday's interview that he could not even get DIII schools to look at him out of high school.

Here is a sports science breakdown of why Jeremy has been successful in the NBA. The kid has a lot more physical tools people give him credit for.

 
Dearest sammydabiz:

I am sorry for transposing your use of the word "purely" with my use of the word "only" in referencing your comments. You see, in the English language that I was taught and with which I am most familiar, they have identical meaning in the context for which you used them; i.e., meaning: limited to the items referenced (in your case, race and location) and excluding all other factors. If you intended "purely" to mean something different, I welcome your explanation of what that meaning is and how it is different from "only."

Next, because you have made clear that dignity is a quality that is important to you, I look forward to your dignified explanation of what, exactly, you intended with your "On a white girl probably" comment in response to the "Where does Shabazz get off" thread.

Finally, when you have finished with those two, please send word from China about what they think of Linsanity there, because that's where you'll be when you are through digging.

Thanks for confirming your sackless, bigoted troll status.

Best,
8893
 
Sammy, you lose this vocabulary debate.

It's not really much of a debate, actually. You're just wrong. You just threw a fit over someone using a synonym.
 
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Dearest sammydabiz:

I am sorry for transposing your use of the word "purely" with my use of the word "only" in referencing your comments. You see, in the English language that I was taught and with which I am most familiar, they have identical meaning in the context for which you used them; i.e., meaning: limited to the items referenced (in your case, race and location) and excluding all other factors. If you intended "purely" to mean something different, I welcome your explanation of what that meaning is and how it is different from "only."

Next, because you have made clear that dignity is a quality that is important to you, I look forward to your dignified explanation of what, exactly, you intended with your "On a white girl probably" comment in response to the "Where does Shabazz get off" thread.

Finally, when you have finished with those two, please send word from China about what they think of Linsanity there, because that's where you'll be when you are through digging.

Thanks for confirming your sackless, bigoted troll status.

Best,
8893

Lmao, your a piece of work 889743. One day I could only hope to be a tough guy like yourself, lol

As far as purely is concerned, it was my post , therefore, my context on how I intended the word to be interpreted. Case in point #2 under related words on the Webster website: http://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus/purely. Purely as related to largely, mainly, mostly.

My "white girl" post was purely comedic, as evidenced by another liking the post. Is it my fault your square sensability is offended by it? If so I can't help you there, sorry.

And lastly, no digging is needed my friend, I've proved my point and others have agreed with me. The fact that you still feel the need to squabble over a petty issue of the context of a word (which I had established and explained already), says more of your inadequacies and insecurities than anything else.

Thanks for confirming your callowness

Always,
SammyDaBiz
 
Whenever I think of Lin I get this running through my head:

Cinderella story. Outta nowhere. A former greenskeeper, now, about to become the Masters champion. It looks like a mirac... It's in the hole! It's in the hole! It's in the hole!
 
He was really overwhelmed tonight. I don't think there are any other teams that can blitz him the way that Miami did, but good lord he looked over matched.
 
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