Lets not be the Summitt

[rjuconn]

You like to criticize us a lot - the way we post, our tone, etc. We do it among ourselves, yes, but we squabble like family. You are a visitor.

If I can be a bit critical of this thought, how is it determined who is a visitor and not allowed full discourse? ETT is a great WBB fan and I think has earned the right to disagree without being asked to leave. We just had a close and tough win over Baylor, we should expect some frustration on both sides.

Can we just hold hands and sing Kumbaya?

 

[easttexastrash]

While I do not agree with Baylor fans, I do not find it embarrassing for fans to feel this way. I am sure you can give plenty examples where the refs made a bad call against Baylor and maybe caused them to lose the game. Officials do affect the game (which is what most fans here and elsewhere are griping about), but rarely the outcome.

In no way do I think the refs had a hand in the outcome of this game. I always say that the best team won...and the best team won.

 

[CL82]

That is what the comments remind me of. As if for some reason there needs to be an excuse for the fact that another team played UCONN closely. UCONN had fewer fouls than Baylor. The "it was the refs bit is "embarrassing."

The officiating was stunningly bad, filled with phantom fouls and largely skewed against UConn. I'm sorry if feel the need to rewrite that, because you are a good poster, but it is what it is.

 

[easttexastrash]

The officiating was stunningly bad, filled with phantom fouls and largely skewed against UConn. I'm sorry if feel the need to rewrite that, because you are a good poster, but it is what it is.

So skewed that Baylor had two more fouls that UCONN.

 

[CL82]

So skewed that Baylor had two more fouls that UCONN.

The phantom fouls were largely skewed against UConn. I don't have a problem that Mulkey game planned it. I do have a problem with the refs for calling fouls where no contact occurred. So my complaint is about the officiating not about Baylor. No worries. If we play again it is unlikely to be an issue.

 

[Kibitzer]

I'll be a minority voice. I thought the officiating was fair, a few missed or errant calls, but generally good. Replays stimulate nit-picking by viewers and support complaints by critics.

And mistakes (by coaches, players and posters alike) are inevitable. Beth Mowens, for example, did her characteristically superb job announcing play-by-play. BUT. . .

For a brief period Geno unveiled that 1-2-2 zone (introduced briefly vs.. Temple) and Ms Mowenns called it aa 2-3 zone (force of habit).

And when the refs went to the monitor to look at that "foul" by Kaleena, she would have us believe they were considering whether or not to call a foul. Wrong! The decision to call a foul had been made and no "further review" would change that. The reason they huddled around the monitor was to determine whether a flagrant foul (elbow contact up high) was in order. (It wasn't, of course.)

Great game and a great team effort to beat a proud and telented opponent in their house. Take the "W" and get on the bus.

 

[UcMiami]

ETT - don't go. Don't always like your posts, but in general like your perspective. And I can ignore the occasional missteps.

 

[UcMiami]

I'll be a minority voice. I thought the officiating was fair, a few missed or errant calls, but generally good. Replays stimulate nit-picking by viewers and support complaints by critics.

And mistakes (by coaches, players and posters alike) are inevitable. Beth Mowens, for example, did her characteristically superb job announcing play-by-play. BUT. . .

For a brief period Geno unveiled that 1-2-2 zone (introduced briefly vs.. Temple) and Ms Mowenns called it aa 2-3 zone (force of habit).

And when the refs went to the monitor to look at that "foul" by Kaleena, she would have us believe they were considering whether or not to call a foul. Wrong! The decision to call a foul had been made and no "further review" would change that. The reason they huddled around the monitor was to determine whether a flagrant foul (elbow contact up high) was in order. (It wasn't, of course.)

Great game and a great team effort to beat a proud and telented opponent in their house. Take the "W" and get on the bus.

Nice post -
And I think their reviewing of that foul/flop actually changed their perceptions and calling of fouls in the second half. So it actually was a benefit to Uconn that KML picked up that foul.
Also - I think Geno has a valid point - the fouls around the outside have been tighten way up, the mugging in the lane continues, unless you hit the arm above the head - pretty much all body contact is being let go including displacement of the player in the air, unless it is flagrant.

 

[CL82]

Nice post -
And I think their reviewing of that foul/flop actually changed their perceptions and calling of fouls in the second half. So it actually was a benefit to Uconn that KML picked up that foul..

Interesting observation.

 

[huskyharry]

Robertson and Sims are flamboyant floppers...very theatrical! would be entertaining if it wasn't so underhanded

 

[HuskyNan]

If I can be a bit critical of this thought, how is it determined who is a visitor and not allowed full discourse? ETT is a great WBB fan and I think has earned the right to disagree without being asked to leave. We just had a close and tough win over Baylor, we should expect some frustration on both sides.

Can we just hold hands and sing Kumbaya?

Visitors = non-UConn fans

This is a UConn board for UConn fans. If a non-UConn fans comes onto the Boneyard and scolds us for whatever, he's out of line. Period. And this isn't the first or even tenth time he's done it, so it's getting old. If he's going to gripe about the game, he should do it with other Baylor fans and not annoy UConn fans. I like visitors from other teams but not when they bother the people that are the reason this board exists. Non-UConn fans are visitors and need to conduct themselves accordingly.

 

[Shenandoah]

I think that, more than the officiating, was one of the announcers dynamic duo's statement that the officials had to keep Odyssey in the game! Really? A foul is afoul, regardless of who commits it. Are we to overlook some fouls because they were committed by the "star"?

 

[Stinger92860]

That is what the comments remind me of. As if for some reason there needs to be an excuse for the fact that another team played UCONN closely. UCONN had fewer fouls than Baylor. The "it was the refs bit is "embarrassing."

We don't flop.

 

[Ozzie Nelson]

We don't flop.

Geno has a rule...

 

[Waquoit]

And I think their reviewing of that foul/flop actually changed their perceptions and calling of fouls in the second half. So it actually was a benefit to Uconn that KML picked up that foul.

I thought the same thing. Review that play, ref. See how bad you blew the call. It paid off. I don't think Baylor was in the bonus until late in the 2nd half after that.

 

[Wbbfan1]

UConn only had three fouls call on them in the 2nd half and Baylor only five fouls. Neither team got into the bonus in the 2nd half. It was almost if the refs turned a switch or were told, there were too many fouls called in the 1st half, so limit the amount of fouls called. Only kidding. However, I also wonder if the review of KML's foul did have an impact on how the refs called the game in the 2nd half. We'll never know.

I thought the same thing. Review that play, ref. See how bad you blew the call. It paid off. I don't think Baylor was in the bonus until late in the 2nd half after that.

 

[RegisteredUconn]

The referees don't determine who will win. The teams do.

Try telling that to the 2008 Rutgers team that went to Knoxville. Or the 1972 men's Olympic team that still refuse the medals the refs say the earned.

 

[meyers7]

My wife became irate at some of the calls in the first half and asked me why doesn't Geno protest.
I explained that as terrible as they were, they were relatively evenly distributed.
Nothing much to be gained by throwing a tantrum...
Equal opportunity mal-officiating.

It was pretty bad both ways in the first half.

 

[Shenandoah]

As to Geno's comment earlier about the fouls being called on the outside, but not for contact inside, I'm seeing Stef becoming exasperated at times. It has to be getting old to get continually pounded in the lane, yet get called for a foul when she matches the "intensity". Maybe I'm reading too much into her expressions, but she doesn't seem to have the same smile on her face, that we are used to seeing, regardless of the opponent or situation.

 

[RegisteredUconn]

Geno has said in the past that bad calls are a part of every game and that if the team is in the positon of needing a call to win, they probably don't deserve to win.

If a team is in the position where a referees decision may determine the outcome of a game, then two teams are in that position.

 

[Icebear]

During the one foul called on Stef she was hit in the mouth/nose.

 

[Tonyc]

The calls that bothered me were the no calls on Baylor underneath and the calls on UConns post players underneath. Those calls made UConn almost defenseless underneath. Kiah was great but Stef and Breanna were forced to back off on defense and not take the ball to the hole based on some of the questionable calls. It wasn't one call either. To me it was like the refs were watching UConn bigs differently then Baylor defenders. The reaching and slapping on UConn underneath wasn't called. Stefs drive to the basket which was clearly a defender not allowing her to get the basket by pushing her away and a change was called. Our bigs holding the ball above their head and defenders reaching and slapping to knock the ball away weren't called. I thought there was a new rule of no touch fouls. The last foul on MoJeff late in game underneath where she didn't touch the offensive player was a bad call. The arm swinging call on KML with 2 defenders on her was wrong. She had a right to her space as did the defenders. This game reminded me of the LVille Baylor game against Griner last season. I hope we don't see LVille play that kind of defense on us this season and fouls not called. Bottom line UConn trusted their stuff and pulled it out.

 

[huskybill]

Were there some tough calls against both teams? Yes.
Were some of the fouls on both teams ticky-tacky? Yes.
Did the referees make themselves known today? Yes.
Did the referees call too many fouls in the game? Maybe.

The thing is, the best teams learn how to adjust to how the game is being called. You can't blame the close game on the referees, UConn made plenty of mistakes to allow Baylor to stay close and keep the game competitive. And, Baylor did a lot of things right to cause UConn to struggle and make poor decisions.

I think the team can learn a lot from this game; UConn's offense has been stagnant lately and the team has struggled often. I'm not concerned, I think this team will play through the rough patch and figure it out. This game could pay out dividends in March and April. I think Geno and the other coaches will be very happy with this win and with plenty of examples and game tape for the team to work with for the next three months.

This was a great learning experience for this team, and hopefully a chance for the team and players to get even better.

This is completely wrong. You can only learn from a game that you lose. I've read that on the Boneyard many times.

 

[huskybill]

Interesting...let's see the official scorers determine who wins the game when no players show up.

Please don't leave. No-one else on the BY could make such a clever response as you did above. I've forgotten which game we were talking about. Anyway, I thought it was a war when no players show up.

 

[huskybill]

We've been harping on the need for better officiating forever. This game only reinforces that need. The game is too fast for these folks and they are competent to do their jobs. Some horrible calls on both sides but sad when the refs can't recognize flops a little earlier in the game. As someone said - perhaps it was good that they looked the monitor after the KML "Phantom Elbow" , as the flops seemed to lose their effectiveness after that.

Golly gee. Harping on the need for better officiating has certainly done us a lot of good.

 

[huskybill]

If I can be a bit critical of this thought, how is it determined who is a visitor and not allowed full discourse? ETT is a great WBB fan and I think has earned the right to disagree without being asked to leave. We just had a close and tough win over Baylor, we should expect some frustration on both sides.

Can we just hold hands and sing Kumbaya?

How silly can you be? We have to throw ETT out to prove we are NOT the Summitt.

 

[RockyMTblue2]

If you want Tom's email address, just let me know and you can ask him yourself.

You like to criticize us a lot - the way we post, our tone, etc. We do it among ourselves, yes, but we squabble like family. You are a visitor.

Ah, Nan...just cuz east is a bastard doesn't mean he isn't family!

 

[huskybill]

I'll be a minority voice. I thought the officiating was fair, a few missed or errant calls, but generally good. Replays stimulate nit-picking by viewers and support complaints by critics.

And mistakes (by coaches, players and posters alike) are inevitable. Beth Mowens, for example, did her characteristically superb job announcing play-by-play. BUT. . .

For a brief period Geno unveiled that 1-2-2 zone (introduced briefly vs.. Temple) and Ms Mowenns called it aa 2-3 zone (force of habit).

And when the refs went to the monitor to look at that "foul" by Kaleena, she would have us believe they were considering whether or not to call a foul. Wrong! The decision to call a foul had been made and no "further review" would change that. The reason they huddled around the monitor was to determine whether a flagrant foul (elbow contact up high) was in order. (It wasn't, of course.)

Great game and a great team effort to beat a proud and telented opponent in their house. Take the "W" and get on the bus.

Make that 4 others who liked this, Kibby

 

[RockyMTblue2]

I like ETT and a non-UConn point of view ob the board. Please don't go ETT!

You ought to know that ETT thrives on this largely jocular banter. Hey, wasn't yesterday's game great! Got everyone's blood up, a profusion of threads, lots of good stuff.

I do not like that part of yesterday's game that said Baylor's grand strategy was the old flopola, but in the end talent and tenacity would rule the day.

 

[HoopsFan21]

There was one sequence where Hartley was dribbling at mid-court after receiving a pass from I think Mosqueda-Lewis in the back court, and on that one play you saw two separate Baylor players run into both players while they were not even really moving, just sort of dribbling in place. Naturally both players fell backwards without a foul call bringing out the boos from the crowd. Clearly they were attempting to draw the offensive foul which is going to be pretty tough to do on a near stationary offensive player.

Also I forgot that being 6-5 is an automatic foul.