Let's examine the 3-3-5

[NEforceUConn]

Or the actual game...which I watched again this morning.

My bad, it was a long way from section 516 to the field.

Perhaps HCRE should consider Jordan as a tailback.

 

[CL82]

This thread is why you are an idiot.

2 games giving up a lot of yards is NOT GOOD.

But instead of being a rational thinking human being who realizes that new systems take TIME and require a certain skill set to execute.... you jump to the conclusion that the entire scheme is worthless despite plenty of evidence that WHEN EXECUTED WELL, the scheme works just fine.

Abandoning ship after 2 games is an AWFUL idea. Just another variation of your "backup must be better" mantra. Instant gratification, or tear it down. Thank god you are not the coach.

Agree in principal, but is playing the nickel because it is the future even if it is ineffective this year sounds a lot like calling this season just exhibition games.

 

[buddy]

Agree in principal, but is playing the nickel because it is the future even if it is ineffective this year sounds a lot like calling this season just exhibition games.

It appears that they may be the case.....again!

 

[whaler11]

Agree in principal, but is playing the nickel because it is the future even if it is ineffective this year sounds a lot like calling this season just exhibition games.

Well then don't hire Crocker I guess.

Realistically there is no scheme or system by which this defense won't stink.

 

[CL82]

Well then don't hire Crocker I guess.

Realistically there is no scheme or system by which this defense won't stink.

Yeah, that the thing isn't it? There are times when our defenders look they are running through mud.

Still Randy says he's trying to win every game, and I believe him. I have to think he talking to Crocker about being more successful with the guys we have on the field.

 

[metsfan2323]

Our delayed blitzes from the second level aren't getting to the QB quickly enough if at all. I'd like to see us crowd the line more and more movement toward the line before the ball is snapped. Maybe this aggressive defense needs to get more aggressive.

 

[BlueDogs]

I don't care whether it is the scheme or players not good for the scheme, there is plenty to work with and they better find a scheme that leverages what we do have. I'm sorry but of all things, D was not a major weakness even last year with a fall off. You just can't be giving up 500-600 yards a game. I'd give it one more week before I moved into a base 4-3 or 4-4 traditional scheme where they can put their ears back and play instinctive football.

 

[whaler11]

I don't care whether it is the scheme or players not good for the scheme, there is plenty to work with and they better find a scheme that leverages what we do have. I'm sorry but of all things, D was not a major weakness even last year with a fall off. You just can't be giving up 500-600 yards a game. I'd give it one more week before I moved into a base 4-3 or 4-4 traditional scheme where they can put their ears back and play instinctive football.

This is the opposite of how the game works.

Either you fire Crocker or you live with the 3-3-5 growing pains.

Make no mistake: if you call for something other than the 3-3-5 you are calling for replacing the defensive coordinator.

 

[BlueDogs]

This is the opposite of how the game works.

Either you fire Crocker or you live with the 3-3-5 growing pains.

Make no mistake: if you call for something other than the 3-3-5 you are calling for replacing the defensive coordinator.

Any DC worth his salt has already built in other looks that can convert to your base with personnel changes. If the only looks we have are 3 fronts, then that's malpractice.

 

[whaler11]

Any DC worth his salt has already built in other looks that can convert to your base with personnel changes. If the only looks we have are 3 fronts, then that's malpractice.

Malpractice is the people that left this roster.

Again if you think you can turn this toilet water into wine you'll spend the year angry.

 

[Palatine]

Malpractice is the people that left this roster.

Again if you think you can turn this toilet water into wine you'll spend the year angry.

Is this team 91 places worse than last year? Because that the numbers of spots the defense has dropped in the defensive ratings.

Really nice calling our kids toilet water. Classy.

 

[Husky68]

The overall 3-3-5 scheme may work with the right players and lineup/coverage calls, but the way the coaches are calling the individual plays UConn's 3-3-5 is unworkable. Opposition is able to read defensive alignment and call plays that give them huge advantage at point that they attack, be it run or pass.

1. Have yet to see a team that uses 3 man rush that gets any type of push to the QB, just can't be done against talent that is anywhere near equal.
2. UConn's defense front 6 guards a rectangle between the inside of the 2 tackles and about 8-12 yards back with the 3 lineman and 3 LB's. This gives up wide runs and off tackle, there is only contact with RB after breaks clear of LOS and almost always from side or from behind, assuring 5 yard gains.
3. Often 3 or 4 defenders around receiver after catch, none of them close enough to impact plays.
4. Several times noted defenders (usually LB's) drifting around on passing plays guarding no one and yet not rushing passer and as play is halfway over start rushing QB and never even getting across line of scrimmage.
5. Not many DB's can guard WR's one on one when QB under no time pressure.

I had expected to see 6 or 7 guys at LOS with sometimes dropping 3 or 4 back and trying to confuse offense, thought were hiding some sets during HC game. This non aggressive, no disguise, never attack the offense on their side of LOS type defense will not work with a 3-3-5 or any other alignment.

Sometimes stats don't tell the whole story, this game they did.
Virginia 455 yds passing @ 11.4 ypc; 171 yds rushing @ 5.5 ypc; average gain per play 8.8 yards.
Time of possession 1st 3 qtrs. (last qtr was garbage time for Virginia just running out clock) was 17:53 minutes UConn vs. 27:07 for Virginia. Think maybe the 3 down linemen were a little tired and discouraged by end of 3rd qtr.?

Don't want to hear "scared or eye discipline or whatever crap", this was very poor defensive coaching. It's not like just before the game all the defensive players got sick and the coaches had to use Palatine, Whaler, Chief and BusLaw as fill ins. They know who they have and this is the best they can do!

 

[huskymedic]

Is this team 91 places worse than last year? Because that the numbers of spots the defense has dropped in the defensive ratings.

Ranking after week 2 last year to ranking after week 2 this year?

 

[Milo65]

Malpractice is the people that left this roster.

Again if you think you can turn this toilet water into wine you'll spend the year angry.

^Exactly... it's going to take time. We need speed, speed is what we need. And any of you believe that coaches and schemes will make up for the lack of athletisim on this team, must also believe that a 5' 7" Rocky Balboa chased a chicken and learned how to outbox Apollo Creed....pure Hollywood.

 

[whaler11]

Is this team 91 places worse than last year? Because that the numbers of spots the defense has dropped in the defensive ratings.

Really nice calling our kids toilet water. Classy.

Sorry I'll pretend the roster is good and then every week when they get curbstomped I'll cry for a 5th head coach and 73rd coordinator this decade.

You started this idiotic conversation. Deal with it.

 

[BlueDogs]

Is this team 91 places worse than last year? Because that the numbers of spots the defense has dropped in the defensive ratings.

Really nice calling our kids toilet water. Classy.

Exactly... it's not possible to fall off the table like this without a basic problem that is more than personnel talent. I don't care how relatively slow we are. We are not that slow. When there is no pressure up front because you have no size and strength plus quickness (not speed), I don't care how good we cover if it has to be maintained indefinitely. It's a formula for disaster. Two QBs have picked a part 5 DBs everywhere on the field - long, short, mid ... inside and out. If we are that slow in the back, then you better get personnel on the field that can apply effective pressure. I'd rather have an LB stunting or blitzing than a DB or small cross-over player almost any time because DBs get chipped by bigger lineman and are neutralized quickly unless they have a clear path.... at least you get some offsetting size and strength with more speed with LBs and DEs. We are going to have to give up some big plays but bring real pressure and jump the short and mid routes. This D in its current personnel configuration and scheme is by objective performance numbers not cutting it. Crocker is a crock, not our boys.

 

[JMick]

Exactly... it's not possible to fall off the table like this without a basic problem that is more than personnel talent. I don't care how relatively slow we are. We are not that slow. When there is no pressure up front because you have no size and strength plus quickness (not speed), I don't care how good we cover if it has to be maintained indefinitely. It's a formula for disaster. Two QBs have picked a part 5 DBs everywhere on the field - long, short, mid ... inside and out. If we are that slow in the back, then you better get personnel on the field that can apply effective pressure. I'd rather have an LB stunting or blitzing than a DB or small cross-over player almost any time because DBs get chipped by bigger lineman and are neutralized quickly unless they have a clear path.... at least you get some offsetting size and strength with more speed with LBs and DEs. We are going to have to give up some big plays but bring real pressure and jump the short and mid routes. This D in its current personnel configuration and scheme is by objective performance numbers not cutting it. Crocker is a crock, not our boys.

hahahahaha. two games in and you're calling crocker a "crock." you people are pathetic.

 

[kemba]

Exactly... it's not possible to fall off the table like this without a basic problem that is more than personnel talent.

How is it not possible? Our last 2 coaches were pathetic. We lost good players from last year and have injuries. It's certainly possible.

 

[RSTuthill]

This is the opposite of how the game works.

Either you fire Crocker or you live with the 3-3-5 growing pains.

Make no mistake: if you call for something other than the 3-3-5 you are calling for replacing the defensive coordinator.

Huh? So Crocker is a one trick pony? That's all he knows? I just cannot believe that.

 

[RSTuthill]

hahahahaha. two games in and you're calling crocker a "crock." you people are pathetic.

We are data driven and the data say that two very very mediocre offenses lit up the UConn D bigtime. Even with an extra week to teach the new D and fix the problems.

 

[JMick]

We are data driven and the data say that two very very mediocre offenses lit up the UConn D bigtime. Even with an extra week to teach the new D and fix the problems.

It's been two games...

 

[Jimdish255]

A couple of DB's looked pretty slow out there to me. Without pressure that gets magnified. The scheme is probably here regardless but a couple of players need to shape up this week or take a seat. The coaches needed more game film not an early bye week.

 

[JMick]

A couple of DB's looked pretty slow out there to me. Without pressure that gets magnified. The scheme is probably here regardless but a couple of players need to shape up this week or take a seat. The coaches needed more game film not an early bye week.

I won't be surprised if we see more redshirts get burned next week

 

[ibleedhuskyblue]

Can we all slow down and remember how terrible we looked in Don Brown's first year as DC ? It was so bad !

Now, he's regarded as a deity here, and very highly thought of at Michigan, along with everywhere else he's been.

Slow down. It's been 2 games, and 1 offseason of practice.

 

[RSTuthill]

It's been two games...

Fair enough. I think we have seen enough but if you see light at the end of the tunnel (sorry, just watched PBS), give it another game. So what's the over-under for total yards allowed to ECU? 450? 500?

 

[huskymedic]

So what's the over-under for total yards allowed to ECU? 450? 500?

Doesn't really make a difference to me as long as we have more points on the board than they do at the end of the game.

To be honest - at this point, I want to see a shoot out with both teams scoring in the mid 40's! I want the kids to have fun and build confidence.

 

[UConnDan97]

Doesn't really make a difference to me as long as we have more points on the board than they do at the end of the game.

To be honest - at this point, I want to see a shoot out with both teams scoring in the mid 40's! I want the kids to have fun and build confidence.

I hear what you're saying in your second point, but it would be nice to see the defense put up a fantastic game against ECU. They need a confidence boost in my opinion, and I'd love for it to come sooner rather than later.

But definitely let's just win, no matter what the score is...

 

[BlueDogs]

hahahahaha. two games in and you're calling crocker a "crock." you people are pathetic.

What's pathetic is implying the kids are a bunch of no talent losers beyond help. I'll lay it on staff over throwing the kids under a bus... if they are out alignment then that's on staff not getting them ready. If they are too slow then it's on the staff for not putting them in positions that maximize their skills and minimizing their deficiencies.

So, yeah, after 2 games (one a midling 1AA squad and the other being below average FBS), giving up 500 plus is a crock under any System. At least, some of us have enough confidence to believe we have players that can compete.

 

[Stainmaster]

What's pathetic is implying the kids are a bunch of no talent losers beyond help. I'll lay it on staff over throwing the kids under a bus... if they are out alignment then that's on staff not getting them ready. If they are too slow then it's on the staff for not putting them in positions that maximize their skills and minimizing their deficiencies.

So, yeah, after 2 games (one a midling 1AA squad and the other being below average FBS), giving up 500 plus is a crock under any System. At least, some of us have enough confidence to believe we have players that can compete.

There is no logical reason to completely absolve player skill from the equation, only emotional frustration.

 

[JMick]

What's pathetic is implying the kids are a bunch of no talent losers beyond help. I'll lay it on staff over throwing the kids under a bus... if they are out alignment then that's on staff not getting them ready. If they are too slow then it's on the staff for not putting them in positions that maximize their skills and minimizing their deficiencies.

So, yeah, after 2 games (one a midling 1AA squad and the other being below average FBS), giving up 500 plus is a crock under any System. At least, some of us have enough confidence to believe we have players that can compete.

or maybe we hired Crocker because he has had success with his defense and Randy liked what he saw/heard. And just maybe we don't have the players that fit that scheme right now but they're giving them much needed opportunity and playing time to work through issues. it's also giving the staff plenty of film to evaluate on.

players win games. that's why recruiting is important. to ignore that is childish; but I'm not surprised the poster who is still upset that a RB coach was derided for telling his players they had to believe in jesus has the mental capacity of a 12 year old