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Latest (Nov 28) AP Poll

Plebe said:
We're 3 weeks into the season. Can you come up with a top 25 ranking consisting exclusively of teams that have scored quality wins in the first 21 days? I'd like to see it.

In the big picture, why does it matter? The point totals are pretty close. If UConn were one point ahead of Stanford in the balloting in week 4, would we be happier? In the end it's people ticking boxes on a ballot.

It's hardly rocket science. If and when Stanford loses to a lower-ranked team, they'll drop. If UConn can succeed where Stanford failed and beat SC later in the season, we'll move up.
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Nowhere did I suggest anything about ranking the top 25, just who should be 2 and who should be 3. Don't invent a different discussion.
 
Plebe said:
Not an apples to apples comparison. One player is out for the season. The other isn't.
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Where did I say anything about the season? I was just reacting to a suggestion that in Texas vs UCONN, Texas was somehow more weakened than UCONN for that game
 
The polls are good for discussion. That's it.

Various writers have their opinions/ agendas as to who should be ranked and where. Were #3 and pretty much at the same level as SC and Stanford. All is good.

But I did smile when I noticed no Tennessee!
 
LSU at #11 is way too high considering the highest rated team that they have played so far in the Massey ratings is UAB, and they are rated #144 as of today's rating, the lowest is MS Valley St at #355. Teams that play schedules like this should not be rewarded for anything until they play someone that is not just cannon fodder. They will not play a team currently rated in the Top 50 until their first SEC game at Arkansas on 12/29, that's almost 2 months into the regular season and 13 games just to help earn a winning record at the end of the season.
 
If SCr and Stanford are far better than the rest of the team I fully agree Stanford should be #2 even they lost to SCr.

But UConn beat #3, #6 and #10 teams and is undefeated. This is not pure luck. UConn deserves some respect as one of the top team.
 
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tkaes said:
Nowhere did I suggest anything about ranking the top 25, just who should be 2 and who should be 3. Don't invent a different discussion.
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It's not a different discussion, unless you're claiming that there's something so unique about the #2 and #3 spots that an entirely different standard should apply only to them and not to all other 23 spots.
 
MSGRET said:
LSU at #11 is way too high considering the highest rated team that they have played so far in the Massey ratings is UAB, and they are rated #144 as of today's rating, the lowest is MS Valley St at #355. Teams that play schedules like this should not be rewarded for anything until they play someone that is not just cannon fodder. They will not play a team currently rated in the Top 50 until their first SEC game at Arkansas on 12/29, that's almost 2 months into the regular season and 13 games just to help earn a winning record at the end of the season.
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Kim had the same type of pre-conference schedule each year when she coached Baylor. It could be that she incorrectly believes that “all you can eat” applies to cupcakes.
 
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MSGRET said:
LSU at #11 is way too high considering the highest rated team that they have played so far in the Massey ratings is UAB, and they are rated #144 as of today's rating, the lowest is MS Valley St at #355. Teams that play schedules like this should not be rewarded for anything until they play someone that is not just cannon fodder. They will not play a team currently rated in the Top 50 until their first SEC game at Arkansas on 12/29, that's almost 2 months into the regular season and 13 games just to help earn a winning record at the end of the season.
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OK, it’s time for me to once again point out that Kim Mulkey’s OOC schedule contains more cupcakes than a high school bake sale……:rolleyes:
 
oldude said:
OK, it’s time for me to once again point out that Kim Mulkey’s OOC schedule contains more cupcakes than a high school bake sale……:rolleyes:
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oldude said:
OK, it’s time for me to once again point out that Kim Mulkey’s OOC schedule contains more cupcakes than a high school bake sale……:rolleyes:
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Kim has always been a cupcake scheduler but this one was even a new low for her. I get the schedule was made way ahead of time and they were expecting basically 10 new players replacing the entire team but to not schedule at least a few decent teams is a 100% failure on her. I REFUSE to believe they couldn't have found a way to tweak the schedule to fit in a couple better teams after the portal in late April.

Quite frankly, I think LSU has a solid squad this year with a lot of upside. Ange Reese and Morris are an amazing duo, very talented freshmen and some great transfers who play their roles extremely well. But until they play anyone with a pulse. I would put them in the 17-25 range until they prove themselves. I won't be shocked if they get beat up badly by Arkansas to open SEC play because not a single team the face is remotely competitive. I still expect them to do very well this year but thats enough of my rant. I have voiced it over and over. Me and @Plebe have beaten a dead horse over it.
 
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Aluminny69 said:
Only 11 point difference between UConn and Stanford. How do you you count the Texas win? Sure they were #3 at the time, but they got that ranking before their All Star point guard was hurt. So that is a misleading win.
Someone pointed out that our three wins against Texas, N.C. State and Duke, were against teams dominated with "portal" players, which means it wll take time for them to play together. Iowa was the first real team. Which is to say, a lot will change over the course of the season, so rankings now are basically meaningless.

Of course you can argue, correctly, that UConn is missing four starters from last year's Final Four team. Several players, Dorka, CD AG, Azzi, are recovering from last year's injuries. Which makes it difficult for outsiders to evaluate this year's team.
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Give Uconn a little more time, play a few more games we win and they will be # 2, until we meet SC and then we will be #1. Have patience. We're coming into our part of the season where we will shine.. GO HUSKIES!!!
 
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tkaes said:
I don't get Stanford at 2. Who have they beaten? No one. Meanwhile UCONN has wins over 3, at the time in the top 10. Where does the bias come from? (a rhetorical question.) Is it simply because Geno has too many NCs and Tara not enough?
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As a diehard UConn fan and what I hope is perceived as a knowledgeable WCBB fan, I too have voted Stanford as the #2 team behind SC. The Cardinal have a great front court with Brink, Iriafen, Jones with Prechtel and Betts coming off the bench. Add in Belibi and Demetre who also play over 12 min a game and that is far better than what we have at those positions and it's not even a close comparison. Our advantage is at guard play as Azzi, Lou and Nika are better than Jump, Lepola, Bosgana, Nivar and Emma-Nnopu but given the length that Stanford can put out on the court, that is a very tough match-up. Luckily games will determine the Top 2 spots and 3/4 will be voted on in the end. THIS IS NOT a conspiracy or a bias, simply voters thought Stanford is better. By the way not all 29 voted for Stanford as #2 29*24pts=696 only 20 of them voted the Cardinal as #2, the other 9 voted for UConn.

Our fans take these types of in-season polls and articles as personal slights when they are really designed to promote the game and garner discussion in a positive way.

Or to quote Sgt Hulka, "Lighten up, Francis"....;)
 
SECbbfan24 said:
Kim has always been a cupcake scheduler but this one was even a new low for her. I
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The thing is, she hasn't done it this way every season. In 2012-13, Baylor played an extremely difficult nonconference slate that included UConn, Notre Dame, Stanford, and several other good teams. IIRC Baylor that season had the #2 nonconference SOS and #1 overall SOS.

In 2018-19 her Baylor team played UConn, Stanford, South Carolina, Arizona State, and South Dakota State. Their nonconference SOS wasn't gangbusters but it wasn't bad either (maybe in the 20s or 30s, I forget exactly).

So it's not like she's constitutionally incapable of scheduling good or great teams. I do suspect that the 2013 Sweet 16 upset left her with a bad taste for super-tough scheduling, rightly or wrongly.
 
Plebe said:
The thing is, she hasn't done it this way every season. In 2012-13, Baylor played an extremely difficult nonconference slate that included UConn, Notre Dame, Stanford, and several other good teams. IIRC Baylor that season had the #2 nonconference SOS and #1 overall SOS.

In 2018-19 her Baylor team played UConn, Stanford, South Carolina, Arizona State, and South Dakota State. Their nonconference SOS wasn't gangbusters but it wasn't bad either (maybe in the 20s or 30s, I forget exactly).

So it's not like she's constitutionally incapable of scheduling good or great teams. I do suspect that the 2013 Sweet 16 upset left her with a bad taste for super-tough scheduling, rightly or wrongly.
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Wow, I have now seen it all and can rest peacefully-Plebe sort of stuck up for Kim here in this post. So you are a closet Kim supporter aren't you? Come on, it's ok to admit it. I sort of like her too.
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DefenseBB said:
Wow, I have now seen it all and can rest peacefully-Plebe sort of stuck up for Kim here in this post. So you are a closet Kim supporter aren't you? Come on, it's ok to admit it. I sort of like her too.
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:rolleyes:

I can appreciate many things about Kim, but her scheduling patterns aren't one of them. The fact that she's occasionally scheduled well makes it all the more irksome, since she can't claim it would violate something akin to a deeply held religious belief.
 
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Remember a couple of things when your thinking about who is ranked in the top 4 in the polls. It doesnt matter how many players they have over 6'3/6/4 it matters can they handle the ball, can they create their own shot, can they stay out of foul trouble and how well can they play within a team concept. Do those teams have players who can create their own shot and take over a game. Are those players quicker then their opponents. How many do to players do they have. What are their stats against good teams. Do they have ball handlers and players who can lead their teams especially at the point.
 
Next 12 said:
Give Uconn a little more time, play a few more games we win and they will be # 2, until we meet SC and then we will be #1. Have patience. We're coming into our part of the season where we will shine.. GO HUSKIES!!!
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Number 1 doesn’t matter ‘til April.

This year, the question is “Who’s number 4?”
 
Plebe said:
Not an apples to apples comparison. One player is out for the season. The other isn't.
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Good point but in this one game both teams were missing their starting pg's so mitigating Texas' loss based on Harmon being out is unjustified. It was apples to apples as far as that one game is concerned.
 
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