Latest Creme Bracketology Places LSU as #2 Seed, UConn a #3

[dabears17]

Updated today. I guess St John’s is the automatic qualifier from the Big East? Interesting choice

Big East website lists St. John’s in first place and UConn as second.

 

[HuskyNan]

Big East website lists St. John’s in first place and UConn as second.

Proof that zero thought goes into the analysis, I guess. People should take these things with a grain of salt

 

[MSGRET]

Proof that zero thought goes into the analysis, I guess. People should take these things with a grain of salt

His AQ is the team that is in first place at the time of the release. If you look at all of the AQ they are currently in first or tied for first in their conference.

 

[HuskyNan]

His AQ is the team that is in first place at the time of the release. If you look at all of the AQ they are currently in first or tied for first in their conference.

Hence my point. He’s not thinking about who should actually win, just who’s leading the conference in December, before conference play truly gets underway. As I said, zero thought.

 

[visitingcock]

Hence my point. He’s not thinking about who should actually win, just who’s leading the conference in December, before conference play truly gets underway. As I said, zero thought.

I think @zero thought” is Charlie’s point. Don’t think; don’t forecast the future. just put them in the position they occupy NOW. It will all work out during conference play. For every conference.

I’m excited about the Big Ten & ACC conference races. I think the Big East conference race will be interesting too. Indeed, all the P-6 races will be of some interest.

 

[Alydar]

I think @zero thought” is Charlie’s point. Don’t think; don’t forecast the future. just put them in the position they occupy NOW. It will all work out during conference play. For every conference.

I’m excited about the Big Ten & ACC conference races. I think the Big East conference race will be interesting too. Indeed, all the P-6 races will be of some interest.

Who do you see making it interesting for SCar? I see 3 ranked teams right now and Arkansas is barely hanging on while LSU should be ranked No 1 in DII for their level of competition?

The SEC this year is looking like the AAC when UConn was in it. (Not nearly that bad but lacking much mystery about who will win it)

 

[HuskyNan]

Who do you see making it interesting for SCar? I see 3 ranked teams right now and Arkansas is barely hanging on while LSU should be ranked No 1 in DII for their level of competition?

The SEC this year is looking like the AAC when UConn was in it. (Not nearly that bad but lacking much mystery about who will win it)

There is a thread called Who can beat South Carolina on the General Womens bball board

 

[BRS24]

Hey hey, it's .... of course you know. It's Tuesday. Added bonus, an article by CC with some detail on bracketology. Welcome Duke, welcome back Iowa State, and a bunch of other movement.

Women's Bracketology 2022-23: Biggest questions that will impact the rest of the season

 

[Tonyc]

All you need to know is what you see. UConn is playing the tuffest schedule in WCBB and winning with a depleted lineup. Now we are looking at Azzi and Aubrey coming back very soon and Caroline looking like the Caroline we saw last year. Couple them with Nika at the point and Lou and youve got a team that will blow out some ranked teams. IMO its SC and UConn(when healthy) with Stanford not far behind.

We are missing Paige and ICE for the season. Paige provided good ball handling skills, leadership and a great shot. Nika now provides the ball handling and leadership and Lou provides the outside shot. They are not Paige but they are great replacements. Aaliyah and Dorka have improved and just may have picked up the slack for ICE on the bench. Now I will profess that saying neither Paige or ICE can be replaced and we dont know what ICE might have contributed if she was healthy. We can though use what I mentioned as coming from what some of us thought.

The polls are the polls. Any dum dum can see that a healthy UConn team is better then advertised in the rankings. Keep that in mind when reading posts. When I look at the polls I sometimes think did these people do any research or look at what is going on with teams. Hey its somebody elses opinion and they are entitled to it. Some will agree and some will disagree and we should respect that and put it in the back of our minds.

Reading the posts on the board shows UConn fans are very excited about getting Aubrey and Azzi back and are excited about how the team is playing at another level. When Aubrey and Azzi get back give them some time to get back on track. Theyre coming back from and injury and being sick. They werent popped our of a microwave and will be what we remember them being. It will take a few games to get back on track. When they do ... We will be good. We are really really good.

 

[visitingcock]

Best thing Creme has written so far:
.......... "This is the time of year when Bracketology takes on a more analytical slant, rather than being quite so speculative. The NET (NCAA Evaluation Tool) ratings are the foundation for that analysis.

.......... As is said every year with NET -- or the RPI before it -- these ratings aren't the end-all, be-all. The straight NET rating is one piece of criteria. It's also the foundation for others such as significant wins, strength of schedule, strength of conference and bad losses. The NET is a formula that includes offensive and defensive efficiency, wins and losses, the strength of the opponent played and the location of the game. It's more inclusive than the RPI because it includes the efficiency portions (how a team played) in addition to the results. The pure NET ranking of a team won't strictly determine its seed, but these will be the ratings to watch the rest of the season. The more time goes by, the more important they become."

SCar was the number five NET ranked team at the end of the 2021 conference tournaments but was a number one seed by the committee due to SOS (and maybe quality of losses that year.) I think the same rationale would apply to UConn this year.

 

[Bone Dog]

The straight NET rating is one piece of criteria

No slight intended to you, @visitingcock. The passage you quoted practically made my head spin. Is Creme a professional writer? I mean, does he make a living with a pen? "One piece of criteria"????? I come from a family of journalists and writers, and my DNA practically revolts against this phrasing. Aaaarrrrgggghhhh!!!

All that aside, it isn't a terrible analysis. His point seems to be that the previous stuff was speculative and perhaps poorly founded. But the data for a more analytical take on things like rankings and seedings making something more substantial possible. This is what we've all been waiting for.

 

[fomalhaut]

Not only is he ignoring the NET rankings (Connecticut is #4 and should be on the top line), he doesn't even seem to understand how the S-curve works: unless he has Stanford 4th (and Connecticut 5th) or Connecticut 7th (and Stanford 2nd) overall, either of which is utterly absurd, Connecticut cannot be in the same bracket as Stanford. Massey, by the way, has had Connecticut 2nd or 3rd for quite a while now, jostling back and forth with Stanford. Sonny Moore has Connecticut 3rd as well.

Just for old times sake, RealTimeRPI has Connecticut 1st by a healthy margin, with Duke (13-1 against the 4th best schedule) 2nd and South Carolina 3rd. Stanford is 8th. [I sort of lost track of Duke, only to find out that their only loss is to Connecticut. They were unranked in the national polls until last week, despite being 8th in NET and 10th in Massey.]

 

[DefenseBB]

so

Best thing Creme has written so far:
.......... "This is the time of year when Bracketology takes on a more analytical slant, rather than being quite so speculative. The NET (NCAA Evaluation Tool) ratings are the foundation for that analysis.

.......... As is said every year with NET -- or the RPI before it -- these ratings aren't the end-all, be-all. The straight NET rating is one piece of criteria. It's also the foundation for others such as significant wins, strength of schedule, strength of conference and bad losses. The NET is a formula that includes offensive and defensive efficiency, wins and losses, the strength of the opponent played and the location of the game. It's more inclusive than the RPI because it includes the efficiency portions (how a team played) in addition to the results. The pure NET ranking of a team won't strictly determine its seed, but these will be the ratings to watch the rest of the season. The more time goes by, the more important they become."

SCar was the number five NET ranked team at the end of the 2021 conference tournaments but was a number one seed by the committee due to SOS (and maybe quality of losses that year.) I think the same rationale would apply to UConn this year.

so basically Charlie is ignoring his own words here.
#1. UConn is #4 in NET
#2. UConn is #1 in SOS
#3. He has them playing Stanford which anyone with an ounce of logic would have Stanford as the overall #2 seed and even if UConn became a #2, they should be playing the 4th best #1 seed who would be tOSU.
I am not a conspiracy theory guy but yee gads, the number of ESPN scribes who want disrespect on UConn continues. Every year, Geno et al prove them wrong time and time again so it is again this year....

 

[PAHuskeyFan]

so

so basically Charlie is ignoring his own words here.
#1. UConn is #4 in NET
#2. UConn is #1 in SOS
#3. He has them playing Stanford which anyone with an ounce of logic would have Stanford as the overall #2 seed and even if UConn became a #2, they should be playing the 4th best #1 seed who would be tOSU.
I am not a conspiracy theory guy but yee gads, the number of ESPN scribes who want disrespect on UConn continues. Every year, Geno et al prove them wrong time and time again so it is again this year....

Deep breath one and all... close your eyes and repeat after me...

HHHHMMMMMMMMMMM

At this point, Jan 3rd, 2023, no bracket is worth the paper it is printed on. Charlie has to earn his paycheck from ESPN some how... maybe there is a bonus clause for the number of UCONN fans he can get riled up.

The Committee's bracket is what matters and that is still a long way off.

In the meantime... to quote the Defensive Coach of the TC William's Titans, in the movie, Remember the Titans:

" LEAVE NO DOUBT"

GO HUSKIES

 

[Bone Dog]

maybe there is a bonus clause for the number of UCONN fans he can get riled up.

It seems to be a growth industry!

 

[CL82]

Latest Creme Bracketology Places LSU as #2 Seed, UConn a #3

 

[Phil]

Latest Creme Bracketology Places LSU as #2 Seed, UConn a #3

Huh? I see both as 2 seeds.

 

[CL82]

Huh? I see both as 2 seeds.

Didn’t look at the article, I just copied it down the title of this thread

 

[triaddukefan]

Didn’t look at the article, I just copied it down the title of this thread

Today's article has UCONN as the #2, with Duke as the #3.. with Stanford as the #1.

 

[DrummerDee]

We are most definitely a #2 seed. Look again.

 

[HopJim]

Without seeming narly, all these long anti-ESPN and Creme posts do is encourage him to submit more click bait. Its obvious he does little research and may in fact be rewarded by his employers for the increase in clicks. If no one pays attention to Creme, his platform will dissolve.

 

[jake0414]

No slight intended to you, @visitingcock. The passage you quoted practically made my head spin. Is Creme a professional writer? I mean, does he make a living with a pen? "One piece of criteria"????? I come from a family of journalists and writers, and my DNA practically revolts against this phrasing. Aaaarrrrgggghhhh!!!

All that aside, it isn't a terrible analysis. His point seems to be that the previous stuff was speculative and perhaps poorly founded. But the data for a more analytical take on things like rankings and seedings making something more substantial possible. This is what we've all been waiting for.

I believe Creme peddles drugs for a living, that is, he sells pharmaceuticals. Not sure how he became a wbb bracketologist but he certainly creates unnecessary angst for those closely following wbb just as Joe Lunardi does on the men’s bb side.