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Chin Diesel

Chin Diesel

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Starts tonight on ESPN. Parts 1 and 2. Not sure why they are waiting to 9 PM EDT but whatever.

Looking forward to it. Really looking forward to seeing how basketball was played 20-25 years ago compared to now.
 
storrsroars said:
Someone didn't watch Denver Nuggets games in the 80s.
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Or Golden State when they had Mullen/Hardaway/Mitch.

You can't point to the outliers and say that's what the NBA was like back then. Nice try though.
 
Chin Diesel said:
Starts tonight on ESPN. Parts 1 and 2. Not sure why they are waiting to 9 PM EDT but whatever.

Looking forward to it. Really looking forward to seeing how basketball was played 20-25 years ago compared to now.
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I've been watching some old Bird games. I keep yelling at open players to take a couple step back and take a 3. It is so bizarre they don't realize that tiny decrease in shooting % is more than made up by 50% more points and longer rebounds.

The D just sags off allowing open 18 foot jump shots with a closeout.

Bird should be taking a dozen 3's a game. easy
 
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People's memories of the past are often warped. They scored more in the 80s than they do now. I remember the Laker and Celtica scoring 120+ points against each other in the Finals. The Pistons beat Denver 186 - 184 in 1983. Isiah almost went for 50 pts and 20 assists.

The late 90s - early 2000s was some of the worst basketball in history. The overall level of athleticism is much higher now, but the game was grittier then.
 
UofCT2009 said:
why is high scoring a garbage product?
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I guess it's subjective. I like basketball that gets played on both ends of the court...offense AND defense. I just feel like the NBA regular season has minimal defense. The playoffs are MUCH better, and that's usually when I start watching. Basketball at the college level is just so much better.
 
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OldBosd said:
I've been watching some old Bird games. I keep yelling at open players to take a couple step back and take a 3. It is so bizarre they don't realize that tiny decrease in shooting % is more than made up by 50% more points and longer rebounds.

The D just sags off allowing open 18 foot jump shots with a closeout.

Bird should be taking a dozen 3's a game. easy
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The other weird thing was how the Ayers enforced the lane. And not just scrub end of bench players. Hall of Famers like McHale thought nothing of a clothes line to someone's neck. That 3 part Lakers Celtic documentary was great.
 
superjohn said:
A lot of people thought those 81-75 Knicks v. Heat and Knicks v. Pacers rock fights were brutal to watch.
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Yeah but not as bad as watching the Knicks of late. I usually like most games my team wins (see UConn/Butler)
 
MilliniumPrince said:
People's memories of the past are often warped. They scored more in the 80s than they do now. I remember the Laker and Celtica scoring 120+ points against each other in the Finals. The Pistons beat Denver 186 - 184 in 1983. Isiah almost went for 50 pts and 20 assists.

The late 90s - early 2000s was some of the worst basketball in history. The overall level of athleticism is much higher now, but the game was grittier then.
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I think the NBA is better now than ever. I like how Zion, Yannis, Tatum and Luka are all emerging as superstars but with different games.

I am hoping that Brown can make a similar leap that Tatum made this year and become the top 1-2 combo in the league. Both are great two way players.
 
OldBosd said:
I think the NBA is better now than ever. I like how Zion, Yannis, Tatum and Luka are all emerging as superstars but with different games.

I am hoping that Brown can make a similar leap that Tatum made this year and become the top 1-2 combo in the league. Both are great two way players.
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That's interesting! I think the NBA is unwatchable. Nothing but isolation, clear outs, one on ones, and no defense. I guess it's in the eye of the beholder.
 
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geordi said:
That's interesting! I think the NBA is unwatchable. Nothing but isolation, clear outs, one on ones, and no defense. I guess it's in the eye of the beholder.
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The Celtics play great defense. Marcus Smart is amazing.

When everyone realized the 3 point shot was 50% more valuable for a small decrease in shooting %, it changed the spacing. You have to guard people much further from the basket and cover more ground.

The game is just tougher now.
 
XLCenterFan said:
I guess it's subjective. I like basketball that gets played on both ends of the court...offense AND defense. I just feel like the NBA regular season has minimal defense. The playoffs are MUCH better, and that's usually when I start watching. Basketball at the college level is just so much better.
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Sounds like you want your team to win 120-65 every game.
 
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BigErnMcCracken said:
Out of curiosity, what do you think is better about it? I mean, it can’t be the skill level or quality of play.
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The players put so much more into every game at the college level. At both ends. Also, I like the rivalries, and the end of the college season ain’t bad - conference tourneys plus the big dance > NBA playoffs.

I also get sick of the NBA players crying about literally every foul. T them up already.
 
BigErnMcCracken said:
Out of curiosity, what do you think is better about it? I mean, it can’t be the skill level or quality of play.
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I enjoy college basketball more, but quality of play doesn't compare and it's definitely not a better product. I'm just lucky that I chose to go to school at UConn so there's one team Dolan can't ruin for me
 
The better teams in the NBA right now are an absolute pleasure to watch. I watch a lot of the Celtics this year. Lakers, Bucks, Heat, raps, clippers were really enioyable to watch.

The pick n roll coverage defense they're throwing out there are absolutely brilliant. Ball movement is better than it ever has been. Perimeter skill is at an all-time high.

I watch college ball because it helps my own coaching more. But the NBA game is incredible. The big matchups are a higher level game than I've ever seen.
 
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