Larrier NBA Mock Draft

[NielsisGood]

We are now comparing Ray Allen’s NBA career to Rudy Gay’s?

I am rooting for Rudy Gay I just believe his talent & skill set would’ve equaled a lot more, not that he’s had a bad career by any means, I just personally thought he would’ve made more noise.

I'm comparing the stupid winning statement you had made, yes.

 

[EBonz30]

I'm comparing the stupid winning statement you had made, yes.

It’s okay for me to think that Rudy didn’t fulfill his max potential. I thought he was going to be better than his career shows. As far as winning, he really hasn’t made an NBA team any better or any worse, that’s what I am talking about, not even talking about championships. Please don’t take my statements and make them something they aren’t.

Again I am rooting for him to do great things, In my eyes I just haven’t seen them yet.

 

[EBonz30]

Rudy was a second team AA as a sophmore, played in E8 and was a lottery pick. Butler was HM AA as a sophomore, played in E8 and was a lottery pick. Donyell did none of those things as a sophmore. I think your still butt hurt that the 06 team lost to George Mason and are taking it out on Rudy. Let it go.

I am not hurt about anything, lol, I live a phenomenal life & the Uconn Huskies have given me more great moments than any other sports team that I root for.

Not holding any resentment, not sure how we are even comparing Butler & Marshall to Rudy, but that’s a topic for another day.

 

[MSGSeven]

I am not hurt about anything, lol, I live a phenomenal life & the Uconn Huskies have given me more great moments than any other sports team that I root for.

Not holding any resentment, not sure how we are even comparing Butler & Marshall to Rudy, but that’s a topic for another day.

Well Rudy's more talented than both Caron and Donyell so to ask how we're even comparing the three shows just how clueless you are but that's also a topic for another day.

 

[NielsisGood]

It’s okay for me to think that Rudy didn’t fulfill his max potential. I thought he was going to be better than his career shows. As far as winning, he really hasn’t made an NBA team any better or any worse, that’s what I am talking about, not even talking about championships. Please don’t take my statements and make them something they aren’t.

Again I am rooting for him to do great things, In my eyes I just haven’t seen them yet.

You're setting the goalposts back now. Also, saying that "it's okay" for you to say something stupid doesn't actually make your statement any less stupid.

 

[EBonz30]

How

Couldn't agree more, that's why whenever people ask me who the best NBA player ever is I say Robert Horry

How about we go ask every NBA Coach Rudy has played for (we know there has been a lot of them) if Rudy made a major impact on their seasons as far winning & bringing the team to the next level?

I would imagine a lot of not all coaches would say No.

Please don’t take my statement & make it something it is not, I am not even talking about championships.

 

[EBonz30]

You're setting the goalposts back now. Also, saying that "it's okay" for you to say something stupid doesn't actually make your statement any less stupid.

You're setting the goalposts back now. Also, saying that "it's okay" for you to say something stupid doesn't actually make your statement any less stupid.

Agree to disagree on Rudy Gay.

 

[EBonz30]

Well Rudy's more talented than both Caron and Donyell so to ask how we're even comparing the three shows just how clueless you are but that's also a topic for another day.

Very aggressive, now I am clueless, thanks.

Agree to disagree on Rudy Gay’s career.

 

[NielsisGood]

Agree to disagree on Rudy Gay.

There's not really any debate to be had though. You're the one setting an irrational standard and then calling Rudy a disappointment because he hasn't hit whatever ridiculously high expectations you had set for him, expectations that you never even clearly defined.

 

[EBonz30]

There's not really any debate to be had though. You're the one setting an irrational standard and then calling Rudy a disappointment because he hasn't hit whatever ridiculously high expectations you had set for him, expectations that you never even clearly defined.

Coming out of college I thought Rudy had the talent, athleticism, skill set, etc. to be a 7 time all star & to be the top dawg on multiple playoff teams.

In my eyes At 6 foot 8 this guy had it all coming out of college, foot speed, hops, jump shot, mid range & most likely the ability to extend that range once in the league.

Like I said before agree to disagree, just had different expectations, which is fine.

 

[NielsisGood]

Coming out of college I thought Rudy had the talent, athleticism, skill set, etc. to be a 7 time all star & to be the top dawg on multiple playoff teams.

In my eyes At 6 foot 8 this guy had it all coming out of college, foot speed, hops, jump shot, mid range & most likely the ability to extend that range once in the league.

Like I said before agree to disagree, just had different expectations, which is fine.

And again that just shows that you had set unrealistic expectations in the first place. Rudy isn't disappointing, you just expected him to have basically a lock HoF type NBA career when the reality is that there's less than 10 players that can carry an NBA team to the playoffs singlehandedly in any given year.

 

[pj]

Rudy's NBA career was better than his college career. Good for him for developing his talent to a high level in the NBA. He's done better in the NBA than I expected.

 

[Palatine]

They'll never learn, folks still doing the "he can't enter the draft until he does this or that" thing like we didn't just see DHam enter the draft a couple of years ago after shooting below 40% from the field.

Yes, but DHam had shown all the skills that the NBA desires. They simply don't draft guys that can't (or don't show) they can shoot. There are simply too many guys who can shoot. While the NBA drafts potential rather than performance, they don't draft guards without jump shots.

 

[Austin316]

Stop it. He’s hanging around another year... he and Jalen will be lottery picks in 2019 when we get a natty....

Our motto needs to be trust the mfing process

A man can dream

 

[aceboon]

Yes, but DHam had shown all the skills that the NBA desires. They simply don't draft guys that can't (or don't show) they can shoot. There are simply too many guys who can shoot. While the NBA drafts potential rather than performance, they don't draft guards without jump shots.

All what skills? DHam couldn't shoot and he wasn't an uber athlete with plus athleticism or length at the wing position, all negatives for his draft position. If you can't shoot, then the hope would be that you would be a great athlete with length and other skills to bring to the table, the only thing DHam was bringing to the table was his ballhandling/passing and he still declared anyway. That's the point, that he still left with all those negatives so its a waste of time to talk in November about why Jalen won't declare when its not us making the decision, its him.

 

[Huskyforlife]

Yes, but DHam had shown all the skills that the NBA desires. They simply don't draft guys that can't (or don't show) they can shoot. There are simply too many guys who can shoot. While the NBA drafts potential rather than performance, they don't draft guards without jump shots.

Yeah, they do, all the time.

 

[UConnRock]

Rudy's NBA career was better than his college career. Good for him for developing his talent to a high level in the NBA. He's done better in the NBA than I expected.

Rudy was 19 years old when he was drafted. For comparison, Larrier is 22 years old. Rudy has spent 11 seasons in the NBA and has made $115 million. Taken before him in the 2006 draft were:

Andrea Bargnani, LeMarcus Aldridge, Adam Morrison, Tyrus Thomas, Shenden Williams, Brandon Roy, and Randy Foye. Taken after him were Patrick O'Bryant, Mouhamed Sene, J.J. Redick, and Hilton. I think Rudy did pretty well compared to the rest of the class.

 

[Dream Jobbed 2.0]

Rudy was 19 years old when he was drafted. For comparison, Larrier is 22 years old. Rudy has spent 11 seasons in the NBA and has made $115 million. Taken before him in the 2006 draft were:

Andrea Bargnani, LeMarcus Aldridge, Adam Morrison, Tyrus Thomas, Shenden Williams, Brandon Roy, and Randy Foye. Taken after him were Patrick O'Bryant, Mouhamed Sene, J.J. Redick, and Hilton. I think Rudy did pretty well compared to the rest of the class.

I can’t believe that JJ is still a starting SG in the NBA a real testament to his work ethic. Hate to say it but hats off to him.

 

[EBonz30]

And again that just shows that you had set unrealistic expectations in the first place. Rudy isn't disappointing, you just expected him to have basically a lock HoF type NBA career when the reality is that there's less than 10 players that can carry an NBA team to the playoffs singlehandedly in any given year.

I don’t agree, in my view Rudy is one of the greatest talents to ever play at Uconn, if not top 3. To me K. Leonard had a similar skill set & athleticism to Rudy coming out of college, again agree to disagree. Love the discussion topic, I enjoy hearing your point of view, stay classy.

 

[Huskyforlife]

I don’t agree, in my view Rudy is one of the greatest talents to ever play at Uconn, if not top 3. To me K. Leonard had a similar skill set & athleticism to Rudy coming out of college, again agree to disagree. Love the discussion topic, I enjoy hearing your point of view, stay classy.

You’re one of those people that’s gonna rip on Zion when he’s not lebron.

 

[Northbound]

Stats are great, what did he win at Uconn & in the NBA?

So does that mean Milt Wagner and Nazr Mohammad are better than Rudy Gay - because they won titles in college and the league? Come on man, you know that makes no sense.

 

[EBonz30]

You’re one of those people that’s gonna rip on Zion when he’s not lebron.

No, not sure how you would come to that conclusion.

I give LeBron great credit, I never saw an athlete have more expectations coming out of High School & LeBron has obviously over exceeded all of them, really impressive.

 

[EBonz30]

So does that mean Milt Wagner and Nazr Mohammad are better than Rudy Gay - because they won titles in college and the league? Come on man, you know that makes no sense.

Please read my posts above, not talking about titles.

A lot of the way I look at players and judge them, especially when we are talking about good or great players is how much do they effect the game in a positive way. Rudy from my point of view hasn’t had a lot of years where he has made a team better or effect the games in a positive way. If we ask all coaches he has played for in the NBA I believe they would repeat my conclusion.

Stats are one of the things I discuss when I am in a conversation about comparing players or analyzing a player, but not the only thing, not even the top 2 or 3 items I use.

If we were to talk about Baseball, stats have much more of importance when it comes to analyzing & judging players I believe.

 

[NielsisGood]

I don’t agree, in my view Rudy is one of the greatest talents to ever play at Uconn, if not top 3. To me K. Leonard had a similar skill set & athleticism to Rudy coming out of college, again agree to disagree. Love the discussion topic, I enjoy hearing your point of view, stay classy.

My post wasn't about UConn, it was about the NBA landscape, which you seem to be unfamiliar with. Even LeBron doesn't have much of a track record of success when he's the only star on a team. Anthony Davis hasn't led a team to a deep playoff run, KG spent 10+ years either not making the playoffs or getting bounced in the first round (2004 being the lone exception) before joining up with other studs in Boston. Those are all generational talents and ATG players that have a tough time making the playoffs/going on a deep run.


Rudy was never projected to be at that level to begin with, and even if he was, there's plenty of evidence that it's really hard even for ATG players like that to routinely lead their teams to championships or deep playoff runs. Can't blame Rudy for not doing that, he's been very good for a long time and just hasn't had the opportunity to play with many other studs in their primes.

 

[EBonz30]

My post wasn't about UConn, it was about the NBA landscape, which you seem to be unfamiliar with. Even LeBron doesn't have much of a track record of success when he's the only star on a team. Anthony Davis hasn't led a team to a deep playoff run, KG spent 10+ years either not making the playoffs or getting bounced in the first round (2004 being the lone exception) before joining up with other studs in Boston. Those are all generational talents and ATG players that have a tough time making the playoffs/going on a deep run.


Rudy was never projected to be at that level to begin with, and even if he was, there's plenty of evidence that it's really hard even for ATG players like that to routinely lead their teams to championships or deep playoff runs. Can't blame Rudy for not doing that, he's been very good for a long time and just hasn't had the opportunity to play with many other studs in their primes.

I don’t have the energy to get into the dynamics of the NBA right now....

I will just leave you with this, NBA is a players league so you can’t have it both ways.

The great players at least make the playoffs year in, year out no matter who their coach is, who is on their team, are there a outlier or two (Davis, etc.), but for the most part if your a top 10-15 player you make the playoffs ala George, Butler, DeRozan, Harden, Paul, Curry, Durant, Thompson, LeBron, Kyrie, Leonard, Conley, Lillard, Wall, etc...

What I wrote above has nothing to do with Rudy so I am not sure why you brought this into the conversation.

This is the argument against Melo the last few years, you can’t have it both ways, he’s not a great player anymore for the last 3 years so he had no right to hold up a team for hostage, cry that he didn’t like the coach/GM & win 30 games at the same time because the players above it doesn’t matter they get to the playoffs year in, year out no matter what the situation is.

 

[NielsisGood]

I don’t have the energy to get into the dynamics of the NBA right now....

I will just leave you with this, NBA is a players league so you can’t have it both ways.

The great players at least make the playoffs year in, year out no matter who their coach is, who is on their team, are there a outlier or two (Davis, etc.), but for the most part if your a top 10-15 player you make the playoffs ala George, Butler, DeRozan, Harden, Paul, Curry, Durant, Thompson, LeBron, Kyrie, Leonard, Conley, Lillard, Wall, etc...

What I wrote above has nothing to do with Rudy so I am not sure why you brought this into the conversation.

This is the argument against Melo the last few years, you can’t have it both ways, he’s not a great player anymore for the last 3 years so he had no right to hold up a team for hostage, cry that he didn’t like the coach/GM & win 30 games at the same time because the players above it doesn’t matter they get to the playoffs year in, year out no matter what the situation is.

Butler missed the playoffs just as much as he barely made them as the main guy. A ton of the guys you mentioned were also playing either with each other or another star on their team. Prime Kobe couldn't make the playoffs as a solo act, prime Wade struggled to make the playoffs solo as well.

Of course that relates to your insane expectations for Rudy though, because the fact is that there are very few players that just having them on a team guarantees a playoff spot. Rudy isn't a disappointment just because he was never a top 10 guy in the league, your expectations just weren't based in reality.

 

[EBonz30]

Butler missed the playoffs just as much as he barely made them as the main guy. A ton of the guys you mentioned were also playing either with each other or another star on their team. Prime Kobe couldn't make the playoffs as a solo act, prime Wade struggled to make the playoffs solo as well.

Of course that relates to your insane expectations for Rudy though, because the fact is that there are very few players that just having them on a team guarantees a playoff spot. Rudy isn't a disappointment just because he was never a top 10 guy in the league, your expectations just weren't based in reality.

Agree to disagree, Fact Butler made the playoffs 3 out of 4 years, the one year he didn’t 42-40 9th in Conference. Like I said before I figure Rudy would be a All Star multiple times in his career when he came out of college, in my eyes his talent was the best since Ray coming out of Uconn.

Actually similar to a Jimmy Butler or Paul
George, he has that type of talent/skill set.

Agree to disagree, thanks for the discussion, nice points.

 

[superjohn]

This thread is really strange. One poster seems to have a beef with Rudy's career, so in response to that a couple of posters compared Rudy and Ray Allen's NBA careers as if they are in any way comparable. Next, Rudy's Uconn career is being put on the same level as Donyell, Ray, and Caron.

Rudy had a really good Uconn career and a solid NBA career but these comparisons are crazy.

 

[BUConn10]

I love Rudy Gay.

 

[MSGSeven]

I love Rudy Gay.

EBonz must not be a big Gay guy like the Rickster RIP