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UcannUconn said:
The eye test and scouting report says otherwise. Barrett was playing against far better competition and taking more 3s.
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Respectfully, I think you just be confusing the players. This is literally Barrett's most commonly mentioned flaw.
 
Walker11 said:
Respectfully, I think you just be confusing the players. This is literally Barrett's most commonly mentioned flaw.
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I know exactly who the players are. Morant was worse from 3 as a freshman than Barrett was; on fewer shots against terrible competition who all play way off him. Goes without saying that Barrett is a better defender and has a better NBA body profile. Morant is still easily the 3rd best prospect. Morant isn’t the shooter you guys are making him out to be.
 
UcannUconn said:
The eye test and scouting report says otherwise. Barrett was playing against far better competition and taking more 3s.
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Sure, he took more 3's and missed most of them
 
UcannUconn said:
I know exactly who the players are. Morant was worse from 3 as a freshman than Barrett was; on fewer shots against terrible competition who all play way off him. Goes without saying that Barrett is a better defender and has a better NBA body profile. Morant is still easily the 3rd best prospect. Morant isn’t the shooter you guys are making him out to be.
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Barrett shot 30.8% from 3 and Morant shot 30.7% from 3 as a freshman. Stop it
 
superjohn said:
He gave something like $35 mil per year to Gordon Hayward and then balked at dealing for Kawhi because he wasn't willing to part with Jaylen Brown or Tatum, he balked again when it came to Anthony Davis. I don't have to kill him, he had an abundance of riches to bring in free agent stars and they are left with no stars.
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You'd run your team into the ground in 2 seasons if you were a GM in an ill-fated attempt to win now during the height of the Warriors dynasty. Yes, Raptors were successful. They needed insane injury luck to do it (4 of top 6 Warriors got hurt). And they're going to be hot garbage in 2 years. It's fine they're going to be bad, because they won the title. And even more, it was the right move for them, because of where their franchise was. That's not the position the Celtics were/are in.

Gordon was free from an asset perspective and there was basically no cap opportunity cost because they went over the cap with the Kyrie trade and re-signings after that (so Kyrie would have eaten the cap space if they didn't sign someone that summer). Kawhi and AD cost 6-8 years of prime Tatum/Brown plus several 1st round picks for 1 year of play. And Ainge still might have made the Davis trade if Kyrie didn't announce his intention to leave. Remember, they couldn't do the trade until the summer because of the designated player rule, and by that point Kyrie already indicated he was out. Tatum just turned 21 and you have his rights for another 8 years (3 of which are on rookie scale).

They still own 3 first round picks from other teams (plus all their own) over the next 3 years. They still can choose to trade someone. The opportunity to acquire a star has not past, and Tatum himself still has a good chance to become one.
 
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This can also open things up for Jeremy Lamb’s market. If the Lakers miss on Kemba and Jimmy Butler, Lamb could be in play. Same in New Orleans. He would be a nice addition there on an improved team.
 
Huge haul for Pelicans with all those pick swaps. They have so many assets right now, plus some legit good players. And the Lakers have none, outside Kuzma, who apparently they were dead-set on keeping for some reason. Good trade for Lakers either way though, that team should be amazing next year and I don't particularly like any of the guys they got rid of.
 
Also would love to see Kemba join Lebron. He would have so many open shots. He would be on one of the biggest stages available in basketball. Could be a really great thing for him.

That said, someone has to make a sacrifice in that scenario. Someone has to play the Kevin Love/Chris Bosh role as third option. We know AD isn't sacrificing and I doubt Lebron will either. Is Kemba willing to do that? I'm guessing yes, but I'm sure it's something he needs to think about either way.
 
nomar said:
Never serious? He's been after Davis for years. He just figured the way to get and keep him was to have Kyrie resign, and Kyrie has left Boston twisting in the wind.

Still, rumor has it Ainge was willing to include Tatum but ownership shut him down
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Sorry, I didn’t mean truly “never”. I just mean these most recent rumors of ongoing Celtics involvement. I know they had wanted him up there for a while. You could argue the “rebuild” and the stocking of assets was all a long-game play to get AD there, all to watch Bron, Pelinka, Rich Paul, and lottery luck snatch him away in the span of 4 months.

Who knows how AD would feel about Boston if Ainge didn’t let Isaiah Thomas kill himself over a fruitless playoff run and then kick him to the curb so as to never get his pay day
 
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awfuldan said:
Also would love to see Kemba join Lebron. He would have so many open shots. He would be on one of the biggest stages available in basketball. Could be a really great thing for him.

That said, someone has to make a sacrifice in that scenario. Someone has to play the Kevin Love/Chris Bosh role as third option. We know AD isn't sacrificing and I doubt Lebron will either. Is Kemba willing to do that? I'm guessing yes, but I'm sure it's something he needs to think about either way.
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Kemba will also get roasted every time the Lakers lose. I do want him to leave but I think he would also be a lot of fun on the Mavs.
 
The Lakers are holding a clinic in franchise destruction.

Ironically, I thought signing Lebron was a great move with the team the Lakers had at the end of 2018 season. That team had won 35 games despite playing Lopez and Randle nominal minutes, and had a good young core that just needed to plug in a superstar. Fourteen months later, they have mortgaged their future for a one year rental and a superstar that is going to turn 35 next season. Lebron is not in his prime, and his injuries are going to keep coming, especially if the Lakers don't have a bench to keep Lebron's minutes down.

While LA is an attractive destination for free agents, I think some top tier free agents are going to be reluctant to commit to a long term deal with the Lakers when they could be by themselves in LA 2 years from now on a franchise that has no potential to get better. Utah and Indiana may not be sexy destinations, but those are good teams that have a lot of runway ahead of them.

The Lakers need to convince a top tier free agent to take a huge risk. Good luck with that.
 
Kemba should do the following, in order:

1) Re-sign with Charlotte for less than Super-Max ONLY IF Batum and Williams agree to restructure their deals too. If Batum and Williams are not willing to step back financially, than Kemba should not step back.

2) Go to the Knicks IF the Knicks can get some other talent.

3) get the biggest payday he can get.
 
Celtics will be a better team without Kyrie. Tatum and Brown can step up for most of Kyrie's scoring, and Hayward will be better next year than he was this year. No one comes back from a major injury like his in just one season. Paul George was a lot better his second season back from his broken leg.
 
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auror said:
You'd run your team into the ground in 2 seasons if you were a GM in an ill-fated attempt to win now during the height of the Warriors dynasty. Yes, Raptors were successful. They needed insane injury luck to do it (4 of top 6 Warriors got hurt). And they're going to be hot garbage in 2 years. It's fine they're going to be bad, because they won the title. And even more, it was the right move for them, because of where their franchise was. That's not the position the Celtics were/are in.

Gordon was free from an asset perspective and there was basically no cap opportunity cost because they went over the cap with the Kyrie trade and re-signings after that (so Kyrie would have eaten the cap space if they didn't sign someone that summer). Kawhi and AD cost 6-8 years of prime Tatum/Brown plus several 1st round picks for 1 year of play. And Ainge still might have made the Davis trade if Kyrie didn't announce his intention to leave. Remember, they couldn't do the trade until the summer because of the designated player rule, and by that point Kyrie already indicated he was out. Tatum just turned 21 and you have his rights for another 8 years (3 of which are on rookie scale).

They still own 3 first round picks from other teams (plus all their own) over the next 3 years. They still can choose to trade someone. The opportunity to acquire a star has not past, and Tatum himself still has a good chance to become one.
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I'll say it again, Ainge wouldn't part with Jaylen Brown or Tatum to get Kawhi and he wouldn't part with Tatum to get Anthony Davis. You win in the NBA with stars and despite being positioned the best to get a couple of stars the Celtics don't have one.
He's been great at accumulating good but unspectacular wings who do the same things though.
 
superjohn said:
I'll say it again, Ainge wouldn't part with Jaylen Brown or Tatum to get Kawhi and he wouldn't part with Tatum to get Anthony Davis. You win in the NBA with stars and despite being positioned the best to get a couple of stars the Celtics don't have one.
He's been great at accumulating good but unspectacular wings who do the same things though.
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For a franchise like the Celtics, you don’t mortgage the future for a one year rental. The goal for the Celtics is not to chase one title but sustained excellence. You don’t give away Tatum knowing in advance that Kawhi and AD won’t sign long term deals to stay.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
Kemba should do the following, in order:

1) Re-sign with Charlotte for less than Super-Max ONLY IF Batum and Williams agree to restructure their deals too. If Batum and Williams are not willing to step back financially, than Kemba should not step back.

2) Go to the Knicks IF the Knicks can get some other talent.

3) get the biggest payday he can get.
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1 and 3 go hand and hand. Kemba’s only priority should be locking in the best deal possible, which is in Charlotte. It’s simply too much money to pass on and the difference would never be made up at age 33 or 34 and his next deal.
 
djct1999 said:
For a franchise like the Celtics, you don’t mortgage the future for a one year rental. The goal for the Celtics is not to chase one title but sustained excellence. You don’t give away Tatum knowing in advance that Kawhi and AD won’t sign long term deals to stay.
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If you have no interest in winning titles you do what Ainge did.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
The Lakers are holding a clinic in franchise destruction.

Ironically, I thought signing Lebron was a great move with the team the Lakers had at the end of 2018 season. That team had won 35 games despite playing Lopez and Randle nominal minutes, and had a good young core that just needed to plug in a superstar. Fourteen months later, they have mortgaged their future for a one year rental and a superstar that is going to turn 35 next season. Lebron is not in his prime, and his injuries are going to keep coming, especially if the Lakers don't have a bench to keep Lebron's minutes down.

While LA is an attractive destination for free agents, I think some top tier free agents are going to be reluctant to commit to a long term deal with the Lakers when they could be by themselves in LA 2 years from now on a franchise that has no potential to get better. Utah and Indiana may not be sexy destinations, but those are good teams that have a lot of runway ahead of them.

The Lakers need to convince a top tier free agent to take a huge risk. Good luck with that.
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In two years a free agent would get to join the end of Lebron and prime AD. You think that won't be attractive..........
 
superjohn said:
If you have no interest in winning titles you do what Ainge did.
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Title, singular. Ainge absolutely made the right decision. Even then, the one year rental only worked because of the Durant and Thompson injuries. If they stayed healthy, no one was beating them.
 
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superjohn said:
I'll say it again, Ainge wouldn't part with Jaylen Brown or Tatum to get Kawhi and he wouldn't part with Tatum to get Anthony Davis. You win in the NBA with stars and despite being positioned the best to get a couple of stars the Celtics don't have one.
He's been great at accumulating good but unspectacular wings who do the same things though.
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You are wrong on this. The Raptors had a good team, but they were a crazy Kawhi shot away from elimination in the second round, and a massive Bucks choke away from elimination in the Conference Finals. The one year rental was an insanely risky strategy, and if it didn't pay off, the Raptors would have surrendered their franchise for a single season. The Spurs are going to win 50+ games next year and have a shot to win the West if they make a couple of moves. If Kawhi leaves, the Raptors may not make the playoffs next season.
 
MilliniumPrince said:
In two years a free agent would get to join the end of Lebron and prime AD. You think that won't be attractive.....
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The lakers will be in a weird spot again, like with kobe.

You don't force a figure like lebron out. And he could be a decent player.. but his age won't really be conducive to winning.

What do you do with that contract?
 
nelsonmuntz said:
You are wrong on this. The Raptors had a good team, but they were a crazy Kawhi shot away from elimination in the second round, and a massive Bucks choke away from elimination in the Conference Finals. The one year rental was an insanely risky strategy, and if it didn't pay off, the Raptors would have surrendered their franchise for a single season. The Spurs are going to win 50+ games next year and have a shot to win the West if they make a couple of moves. If Kawhi leaves, the Raptors may not make the playoffs next season.
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Surrendered their franchise? The Raptors weren't going anywhere with Lowry and Derozan, they stopped being conservative and dared to be great and it brought them a championship. The Celtics had more assets than basically anyone to bring them superstars and they are left with a bunch of small forwards, no superstars, and no chance at winning it all.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
Kemba should do the following, in order:

1) Re-sign with Charlotte for less than Super-Max ONLY IF Batum and Williams agree to restructure their deals too. If Batum and Williams are not willing to step back financially, than Kemba should not step back.

2) Go to the Knicks IF the Knicks can get some other talent.

3) get the biggest payday he can get.
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Williams just opted into a 19 Mil player option...that’s not happening. Batum isn’t worth 10 million a year, let alone the 25.5 mil he’s getting. Michael Kidd Gilchrest is getting 13 million. Etc. etc. etc.

If CHA fixes everything I just said, who do they go for....Vucevic? Klay(lol)?, Tobias Harris?, Khris Middleton?

Kemba is my idol, I live in Charlotte....

He better f’in leave for LA
 
MilliniumPrince said:
In two years a free agent would get to join the end of Lebron and prime AD. You think that won't be attractive.....
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AD is a free agent at the end of next season at which point he may walk. Lebron will turn 36 in 2020-2021 season. He is not a picnic to be a teammate with now. Does anyone think he will mellow as his body breaks down and ability deteriorates?

If the Lakers were smart, they wouldn't burn the leftover cap space on Kyrie, but would instead fill in a lot of holes and build depth. The Lakers are not generally smart though.
 
HuskyFich said:
Williams just opted into a 19 Mil player option...that’s not happening. Batum isn’t worth 10 million a year, let alone the 25.5 mil he’s getting. Michael Kidd Gilchrest is getting 13 million. Etc. etc. etc.

If CHA fixes everything I just said, who do they go for....Vucevic? Klay(lol)?, Tobias Harris?, Khris Middleton?

Kemba is my idol, I live in Charlotte....

He better f’in leave for LA
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Sorry but playing one or two years with an aging Lebron is not worth 100 mil. AD isn’t waiving his trade bonus so Kemba would earn even less. You are right about the salary cap mess in Charlotte, but no way should any of this come at Kemba’s expense. His accepting that 4 year 48 mil deal so prematurely really hurts his current options. My guess is he will sign a five year 200 mil deal w Charlotte.
 
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