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Swamp the bast ards with emails!!!!! Also, urge anyone you are in contact with on any social media to do the same.
 
The problem is they have allowed other Athletes to transfer unconditionally, regardless of what their policy says.

Samanthabrown3 said:
The original Mercury article includes the transfer policy--which says, basically, no one can--verbatim. So any athlete who goes there should know he or she is stuck for the duration of eligibility. Stupid policy, yes, but right out there. No surprises.
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This is getting freaking unbelievable. I thought hostage taking was illegal in this country.

Every day of the week Bret McCormick has 3 or 4 tweets about players that have been released and are transferring. We just received the benefit of Butler transferring and learned that BBanks would be transferring out. And a foreign student/athlete to boot with no support mechanisms such as parents, etc. I continue to believe this university will rue the day it decided to play these games with a young girl.

And the powers that be wonder why the players are talking about a union. Doh!!!!

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Wbbfan1 said:
The problem is they have allowed other Athletes to transfer unconditionally, regardless of what their policy says.
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The further problem is that their policy does allow them discretion to release the student athlete:

Kansas State's policy states that "except for the most compelling of circumstances, which place an undue burden on the student athlete, it is the policy of the department of intercollegiate athletics not to grant a release for the purposes of a transfer or provide the one-time transfer exception." (from most recent M. Voepel article)
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So they decide what are compelling circumstances and what is an undue burden.

And the further problem beyond that is, not only have they released others as Wbbfan1 points out, they've released Ms. Romero herself -- but only to a couple of schools with crappy women's basketball programs.

And now we have this latest item in the ongoing fiasco: "You're released to a single D-1 school of our choosing. Oops, no you're not."

Idiots. In a hole and digging like mad.​
 
Kansas State sounds like it's being run by a bitter bunch of bureaucrats who, like so many bureaucrats in general, can't admit error because they think they'll lose face. What they probably will lose are some potential recruits over the next couple of years.
 
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Kansas St isn't just embarrassing themselves, but indirectly their fellow conference members, and I'm sure down the road, they will rue the day they did this.
 
I could not make Pres. Schulz' email addy work [fixed: kirks@k-state.edu ] but he does have a facebook page and really ought to hear from everyone. Here is what I sent him;

You and your institution ought to be thoroughly ashamed of your barbaric and inexcusable treatment of Ms. Romero. Millions of people are now aware of your totally unjustified action. Hopefully this will prevent hundreds, if not thousands, of prospective student athletes from even considering K-State. Shame on you!!!
 
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I know I should not care one tiny iota what happens at Kansas State but this case just really (ticks) me off. It epitomizes everything that is screwed up about NCAA Div. 1 athletics. And yet people continue to argue that no, athletics don't 'run' the university. B.S. Do you really think Leti would have gone to Kan. St. if she knew this was what might happen if it didn't work out?
 
Buckaroobanzai said:
Did KState advise her that it's "policy" results in a scholarship athlete becoming an indentured servant?
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(To the tune of "Go Down, Moses")

When Romero was in K-State Land,
Let Leticia go!
Oppressed so hard she could not stand,
Let Leticia go!

Go down, Schulzie, President of K-State Land,
Tell old Bosco,
"Let Leticia go!"

"Thus saith the fans," bold Voepel said,
"Let Letitia go:
If not we'll smite your recruiting dead,
Let Leticia go!"

"No more shall she in bondage toil,
Let Leticia go;
Lest you your reputation soil,
Let Leticia go!"
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Go down, Schulzie, President of K-State Land,
Tell old Bosco,
"Let Leticia go!"
 
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I know I am probably going to gwt hammered by saying this but say I must:

Are we sure we know all the facts on this one? For the life of me I cannot understand why any university would make such a huge negative public spectacle of themselves for something so seemingly obvious unless there was something going on that has yet to be made public.

All this "now you may transfer here/now you cannot" not withstanding of course...

Just throwing this out there, trying to understand...
 
RoyDodger said:
Kansas State sounds like it's being run by a bitter bunch of bureaucrats who, like so many bureaucrats in general, can't admit error because they think they'll lose face. What they probably will lose are some potential recruits over the next couple of years.
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Shame on them! May the BB gods foil their efforts for years.
 
RadyLady said:
I know I am probably going to gwt hammered by saying this but say I must:

Are we sure we know all the facts on this one? For the life of me I cannot understand why any university would make such a huge negative public spectacle of themselves for something so seemingly obvious unless there was something going on that has yet to be made public.

All this "now you may transfer here/now you cannot" not withstanding of course...

Just throwing this out there, trying to understand...
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Good point. Has Geno ever not immediately granted an unconditional release for a player wishing to leave? Geno has had plenty of practice with granting releases over the years and can't imagine him doing something like this.
 
pap49cba said:
This is getting freaking unbelievable. I thought hostage taking was illegal in this country.
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Well let's not be ridiculous here. She can leave anytime she wants and go to any school that will accept her. She's not a hostage. I know she would have to pay and can't play, but that's very different than being held hostage.

I agree, K-State is being about a stupid as it can possibly be (and digging itself in deeper and deeper), but it's not like she can't just say and leave.
 
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RadyLady said:
I know I am probably going to gwt hammered by saying this but say I must:

Are we sure we know all the facts on this one? For the life of me I cannot understand why any university would make such a huge negative public spectacle of themselves for something so seemingly obvious unless there was something going on that has yet to be made public.

All this "now you may transfer here/now you cannot" not withstanding of course...

Just throwing this out there, trying to understand...
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Well I think they believe there has been tampering. And they probably believe they are standing up for doing things right.

But at this point, even if there was tampering, (there doesn't seem to be, but who knows maybe they have some evidence???) the sh!tstorm is too big (or getting too big) and it's best to just cut your losses and move on.
 
HoopsFan21 said:
Good point. Has Geno ever not immediately granted an unconditional release for a player wishing to leave? Geno has had plenty of practice with granting releases over the years and can't imagine him doing something like this.
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All I'm saying is we only know what we are told. I am NOT saying that all the wattage is up there in Kansas are high given some of the shenanigans that has been publicized, however: I'm just saying we should be cautious because there could be things going on that we are not being told and for the record, there is always a great deal of speculation about transfers at UConn, yet did you ever notice that we don't know the exact details because they are never told.
 
meyers7 said:
Well I think they believe there has been tampering. And they probably believe they are standing up for doing things right.

But at this point, even if there was tampering, (there doesn't seem to be, but who knows maybe they have some evidence???) the sh!tstorm is too big (or getting too big) and it's best to just cut your losses and move on.
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It's definitely getting out of control, and you do have to wonder that maybe they're digging their heels in because they think they're right on principle for whatever reason that we are not being told. I mean, who else would do such a thing in the face of such negative publicity? that said I could always go listen to 'Hop on Pop' being read on c-span
 
meyers7 said:
Well let's not be ridiculous here. She can leave anytime she wants and go to any school that will accept her. She's not a hostage. I know she would have to pay and can't play, but that's very different than being held hostage.
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We certainly have no idea of her financial circumstances. If she was one of my impoverished kids from the Bronx, no way could she pay her own way. A virtual hostage at least.
Meyer, sorry to disagree so vehemently, but feels an awful lot like; "Let em eat cake."
 
RadyLady said:
It's definitely getting out of control, and you do have to wonder that maybe they're digging their heels in because they think they're right on principle for whatever reason that we are not being told. I mean, who else would do such a thing in the face of such negative publicity? that said I could always go listen to 'Hop on Pop' being read on c-span
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That's what I'm thinking. Right on principle. (what they believe) It seems like they think they are making a strong stand on principle for what is right. ???? (and some face saving too)
 
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msf22b said:
We certainly have no idea of her financial circumstances. If she was one of my impoverished kids from the Bronx, no way could she pay her own way. A virtual hostage at least.
Meyer, sorry to disagree so vehemently, but feels an awful lot like; "Let em eat cake."
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I understand she most likely can't afford to go elsewhere (and she's in a foreign country to boot), BUT, she is not being forced to stay there either. Completely different from being held "hostage".
 
I keep asking myself, why is the U behaving in this manner?
Which seems alien to the views of many of our posters.
And here I skirt close (or over) the line on board legality…feel free to delete or edit.

Have we considered the cultural differences between say Storrs and Manhattan Kansas?
How they feel about their students with regard to rights and privileges?
Especially woman?
Isn't their behavior, strangely consistent?
 
A few items from Mechelle Voepel's chat yesterday...

S.R. (A.A.)


What's next for Leti Romero

Mechelle Voepel
(2:57 PM)


At this point, Kansas State seems to be digging in deeper, and any kind of real leadership or reason is gone out the window. Leti Romero has visited some junior colleges, and she might be forced to take that option, even though that is not what she wants to do. She's supposed to be going home to the Canary Islands later this month, and she's running out of time to make some decisions. John Currie, Pat Bosco, Kirk Schultz and Jeff Mittie could actually show leadership and stop hiding behind smokescreens of "We followed our procedures" and "It's out of my hands," and all the other pass-the-buck excuses that have come out of Kansas State lately. Now they are into bunker-down bureacrat mode, and it's infuriating and pathetic. Kansas State as a school and athletic department, and Manhattan as a community deserve better than the malevolent clown show this has become. Leti Romero certainly deserved better.

Lisa (NYC)


Can the NCAA investigate or intervene in the situation with Romero at Kansas State or is this truly under the sole control of the school?

Mechelle Voepel
(3:06 PM)


I don't know if the NCAA would get involved with this ... they don't seem to see that they would have jurisdiction. But that's part of the broader issue that all of us media and fans who follow college sports point to ... what are an athlete's options when a school does something like this? An athlete was completely denied her release, her appeal was in front of people who work at the same school (even if they aren't in the athletic department) and then the release was denied again. And neither had to give the student any reason. The athletic director says he can't comment publically, but then does on Twitter. The school gets bad publicity, so finally the AD - who didn't talk to the athlete before denying her release - finally summons her to his office to say, "I'll write a letter to the appeal committee to see if they'll reconsider." They won't. Oh, but then it changes to, "Wait, actually maybe we can release you to some schools you don't have any interest in going to." Then it's, "Actually, there will be *no* release at all, the committee's decision was final and we have no way to revisit it ... even if the coach and athletic director now are saying they want to give you a release." Yeah, that's what Romero has been dealing with. That's why she went to the media and finally got a lawyer. But what options does she really have that are expedient enough to help her for the coming school year?

And a final throw in....

jbb1985 (not mobile)


Would you have three POY candidates for next WCBB season?

Mechelle Voepel
(3:20 PM)


Can I list Breanna Stewart three times? :)
 
No one has denied that;
1; She was recruited by Patterson and her staff.
2. Patterson and her staff were fired
3. She asked for a release and submitted a list of 100 schools.
4. None of the previous coaching staff was at any of these schools.
5. Nevertheless, the AD recommended that her application be denied, without having ever discussed it with her.
6. The anonymous "committee" followed their wishes and denied it.
7. She appealed the decision in good time.
8. After a little heat was generated, the AD (pro forma, at least) applied to the committee to reverse its decision.
9, The committee again refused.
10. The only excuse or reason given is a vague "feeling" that someone on the old coaching staff may have "tampered" with her.
11. Currie now expresses his satisfaction that this did not happen.
12. The University officials are saying that, because it is written in their rules, it cannot be corrected.

What more facts are necessary?

Rumor has it that these "iron clad rules" have indeed been set aside in the past for other students, but I have not seen actual cases cited.
 
elzorrogris said:
Rumor has it that these "iron clad rules" have indeed been set aside in the past for other students, but I have not seen actual cases cited.
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Not a rumor. From the Kevin Haskin article linked above:

"Clearly, several basketball players have transferred from Kansas State in recent seasons. Many did so when it was apparent the staffs they played for at K-State did not wish them to remain in the Wildcat programs. Is it permissible for a player to leave only if K-State does not want a player around?"
 
elzorrogris said:
No one has denied that;
1; She was recruited by Patterson and her staff.
2. Patterson and her staff were fired
3. She asked for a release and submitted a list of 100 schools.
4. None of the previous coaching staff was at any of these schools.
5. Nevertheless, the AD recommended that her application be denied, without having ever discussed it with her.
6. The anonymous "committee" followed their wishes and denied it.
7. She appealed the decision in good time.
8. After a little heat was generated, the AD (pro forma, at least) applied to the committee to reverse its decision.
9, The committee again refused.
10. The only excuse or reason given is a vague "feeling" that someone on the old coaching staff may have "tampered" with her.
11. Currie now expresses his satisfaction that this did not happen.
12. The University officials are saying that, because it is written in their rules, it cannot be corrected.

What more facts are necessary?

Rumor has it that these "iron clad rules" have indeed been set aside in the past for other students, but I have not seen actual cases cited.
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All I'm saying is that we should be open to the thought that there may be some facts that we are not being told.
 
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