KO - Victim of discrimination and denied due process?

[AZHuskiePop]

Keep in that the disclosure was not only caused by KO's attorneys making a FOIA request instead of discovery. They also made their letter known to the media. It was entirely foreseeable at the point that the press would FOIA the same information. At that point UConn had no choice but to release it all parties.

I think KO has a good attorney, but he has egg on his face on this one.

(Also Chief, did we need another thread on this, not that I'm not here participating mind you, but did we?)

That’s actual kind of scary if true.
According to UConn the Miller testimony had zero to do with their case. It was dismissed by UConn as here say. So even if it’s not credible it’s legal to make public in response to a FOIR on a specific case any and all information ever gathered on that person whether it lacked credibility or not. Wow That’s pretty frightening if true.

 

[CL82]

That’s actual kind of scary if true.
According to UConn the Miller testimony had zero to do with their case. It was dismissed by UConn as here say. So even if it’s not credible it’s legal to make public in response to a FOIR on a specific case any and all information ever gathered on that person whether it lacked credibility or not. Wow That’s pretty frightening if true.

I believe Ollie's attorneys made a very broad request information regarding NCAA violations. The release was responsive to that request. Had they requested only the basis for dismissal, then that's the information that they would have gotten.

Open ended questions are typically avoided by attorneys for just that reason. But discovery, which may or may not admissible, are by its nature very broad, to see what is out there. The FOIA request was made as if it were discovery.

 

[Chief00]

You do understand it was an FOIA request made by KOs legal team, yes? You may have missed the 40+ posts which discussed this. The testimony by Miller was made to an NCAA investigator. What should Glen and the university have done instead? Say no to the FOIA and lied? What would you have done?

Let’s see who initiated the seed of the NCAA fruit? You have GM being dragged to an interview. The press reports indicate the NCAA investigation was initiated by a third party. Not UConn, Not the NCAA. UConn did self report some violations.

 

[Chief00]

Chief’s slip of heresy in place of hearsay is a interesting use of the term.

Chief has big hands and fingers - making it tough to type on a phone - add in autocorrect or whatever.

 

[Waquoit]

Chief’s slip of heresy in place of hearsay is a interesting use of the term.

It usually happens when he's talking about JC.

 

[Chief00]

(Also Chief, did we need another thread on this, not that I'm not here participating mind you, but did we?)

Quite frankly, probably not. However, the “new” angle was the context of how KO has benefited from how due process was denied and discrimination was used against others when KO got the job in the first place. So it’s interesting to me it was the root of him getting the job and if you are to believe his attorney’s narrative - in losing it. The same guy that got KO the job - KO is now saying received favorable treatment compared to him.

 

[AZHuskiePop]

Just asking how long can this all go on is there a end date, court date or what. The positive news is how good Hurley is doing with all this background noise going on and how good he's going to do when all this goes away.

So far we have not signed one kid , I’m getting a little nervous.
If you think St John’s or anyone forthat matter isn’t usingthis mess to negatively recruit our prospects your a tad more trusting than I.

 

[Chief00]

So far we have not signed one kid , I’m getting a little nervous.
If you think St John’s or anyone forthat matter isn’t usingthis mess to negatively recruit our prospects your a tad more trusting than I.

Chris Mullins use negative recruiting against us? Of course he would.

 

[Chief00]

These are the facts Chief
KO only got a one year deal as interim. Actually the way things went down there was little opportunity to sign anything other than an interim . Yes he got his foot in the door but no more. If the the 2012-13 team proved to be a disaster like it was predicted than he would have never got a 3 year seal.
My personal opinion is Ward Manual never wanted him as I believe he wanted no one from the Calhoun era.
Ollie’s success got him the gig
He was so unexpectedly successful that George Blaney who retired after the 12-13 season said “I could retire with the knowledge the program is in good hands, Kevin Ollie is a superstar”
Please don’t attack me personally
ad hominems sre the refuge of the weak minded and a dialogue ender .
However please feel free to dispute my facts. I’m a historian by nature and I abore revisionism. I also stated my opinion on the AD’s preference , I don’t know for sure what the AD was thinking but he certainly dragged his feet in hiring KO.

He got the chance to coach a team on an interim basis that turned out to have national championship caliber talent on it. There’s a lot of guys who would jump at that opportunity. Agree JC wanted him more than Warde but then KO became friends with Warde.

 

[Hans Sprungfeld]

So far we have not signed one kid , I’m getting a little nervous.
If you think St John’s or anyone forthat matter isn’t usingthis mess to negatively. recruit our prospects your a tad more trusting than I.

Your expression of nervousness makes things worse. It feeds and waters something you don't want.

 

[Chief00]

Your expression of nervousness makes things worse. It feeds and waters something you don't want.

Chief is still sticking by his Chill like recruiting signal about the recent visits.

 

[Tenspro2002]

First, I would like to start with saying Glen Miller’s hearsay payoff testimony was a low blow and demonstrates poor character in Chief’s view. The University never should have released it.

Having said that, few have ever received such preferential treatment as a job applicant than Kevin Ollie. In truth, there were not even other applicants allowed to go through the process. He was handpicked by Calhoun and moved to the front of what would have been a long and prestigious line. There was no level playing field competition, it was an insiders deal.

Given all that, when I hear Kevin’s lawyer whining about discrimination and denial of due process, I think this wouldn’t have happened in the first place if those things hadn’t taken place in KO’s favor when he was hired.

And now they are attacking the man, who gave him such preferential treatment. Please stop!

Chief is just keeping it real!

The only discrimination on UConn's part was against a coach who was woefully inadequate at the job and in way over his head.

Horrible coaches are not a protected class, and the contract as written gives UConn wide leverage to invoke just cause at their discretion.

They chose to do so for KO and not for JC because KO was atrocious at his job, not because he's black, as is well within their right.

 

[Yardigan]

Chris Mullins use negative recruiting against us? Of course he would.

Pretty sure that's part of the job...? Would be dereliction of duty not to?

 

[superjohn]

Why does this board call him Chris Mullins?

 

[Robertelamin]

Why does this board call him Chris Mullins?

I’ve always wondered that.

 

[Hans Sprungfeld]

Why does this board call him Chris Mullins?

Ask Terrence Samuels or Carlos Daniels.

 

[Paesano]

Why does this board call him Chris Mullins?

Would he prefer Washed-up Drunk?

 

[Scrutineer]

The only discrimination on UConn's part was against a coach who was woefully inadequate at the job and in way over his head.

Horrible coaches are not a protected class, and the contract as written gives UConn wide leverage to invoke just cause at their discretion.

They chose to do so for KO and not for JC because KO was atrocious at his job, not because he's black, as is well within their right.

If I'm not mistaken, contract language may have been "beefed up" regarding violations by coaches by the time Ollie was hired.

Ollie's lawyer seemed to be making a major issue out of the fact Calhoun's violations weren't met with dismissal after the NCAA levied penalties yet his client was dismissed for cause before any penalties were levied, thus the FOIA request for info on previous violations.

If the contract language had been strengthened it would seem that would help mitigate any accusations of mistreatment of Ollie versus Calhoun regarding their violations and their retention/dismissal after those violations were discovered and penalties meted out by the NCAA.

Anyone have any insights into that issue?

 

[superjohn]

Would he prefer Washed-up Drunk?

What an incredibly stupid thing to say. He's a Hall of Famer and hasn't had a drink since he was in college over 30 years ago.

 

[HuskyHawk]

That’s actual kind of scary if true.
According to UConn the Miller testimony had zero to do with their case. It was dismissed by UConn as here say. So even if it’s not credible it’s legal to make public in response to a FOIR on a specific case any and all information ever gathered on that person whether it lacked credibility or not. Wow That’s pretty frightening if true.

FOIA requests are intentionally broad. “Provide all information related to...”. UConn submitted the entire unedited transcript and everything else. Miller didn’t even work for UConn at the time. What were they supposed to do exactly? Go through the material and select certain things? On what basis? And then what? Ollie’s lawyers blundred big time. It is nothing more than that.

The only risk to UConn in responding is if they decided what was credible or not. It’s not up to them. Their obligation is to provide everything and to let you the people decide what is credible. It’s what the whole law is about. We don’t trust the government to decide what is or isn’t relevant.

 

[intlzncster]

So far we have not signed one kid , I’m getting a little nervous.
If you think St John’s or anyone forthat matter isn’t usingthis mess to negatively recruit our prospects your a tad more trusting than I.

We've had a new regime in place for 2 months. It's not like they've been recruiting guys here for the past 2 years. It takes a little time to prime the pump.

St Johns doesn't have any commits yet either. Not exactly the school I'm worried about anyway.

 

[Madmannsucks]

The one problem with your premise is...He was a key assistant on a team getting ready for probation. He was not hired, he was given a one year term at under 1 mill per year(I could look it up, but I want to say 600K, which was woefully underpaid for UConn). So there's that.

 

[AZHuskiePop]

Chief is still sticking by his Chill like recruiting signal about the recent visits.

If Chief say it’s so ,I can sleep easy.

 

[Stinger92860]

Let’s see who initiated the seed of the NCAA fruit? You have GM being dragged to an interview. The press reports indicate the NCAA investigation was initiated by a third party. Not UConn, Not the NCAA. UConn did self report some violations.

It was an FOIA request by KOs legal team. Wow.

 

[The Funster]

If Chief say it’s so ,I can sleep easy.

Yo, word.