Key tweets, and it's all gone to Hell.

[AZHuskiePop]

Notre Dame advocates for Notre Dame.

AZ ‘s first law of conference advocacy in 2026
A teams advocacy is directly proportional to the necessity of that conference’s success for its own survival.
The days of collegiality are long gone.

 

[John]

Really there's nothing to explain is there. If being being a plaintiff in that lawsuit disqualified people from being in the ACC then Pittsburgh and Virginia Tech, definitionally, would not be members of the ACC. Thus, being a member of that lawsuit was not disqualifying. That isn't a particularly hard concept and no amount of bluff or bluster from you will change the reality of it.

Did the Pennsylvania and/or Virginia Attorney Generals bring the lawsuit? Who spearheaded the lawsuit?

 

[Ha Who]

Did the Pennsylvania and/or Virginia Attorney Generals bring the lawsuit? Who spearheaded the lawsuit?

Where was the lawsuit filed?

 

[John]

John, maybe read the thread before hopping in with comments? If you had you would notice that I already talked about the plaintiffs in the suit.

I think this has been discussed to death, but let me ask the question again and give you a shot at answering it. The premise was that Connecticut being a plaintiff in the big east lawsuit against the ACC effectively disqualified it from ACC membership. Yet, two other schools who were also plaintiffs in the lawsuit are now in the ACC. Given that, was being a plaintive in that lawsuit actually disqualifying from ACC membership?

(Let me help you out. The answer is, definitionally, no.)

you realize that Virginia would not have voted for the addition of the Big East schools if Va Tech had not been included in the initial raid?

 

[CL82]

you realize that Virginia would not have voted for the addition of the Big East schools if Va Tech had not been included in the initial raid?

Probably not given their state legislatures position on the issue, but Virginia is one vote right? So, again, can we agree that being a plaintiff in the lawsuit was not disqualifying for membership in the ACC. How about a yes or no on that John, since you decided to hop in on the discussion?

 

[John]

Probably not given their state legislatures position on the issue, but Virginia is one vote right? So, again, can we agree that being a plaintiff in the lawsuit was not disqualifying for membership in the ACC. How about a yes or no on that John, since you decided to hop in on the discussion?

it's not a yes or no situation, it's shades of grey. Since we've been passed over thus far, it'd be a no right now. Finally, it's a discussion board where people, you know, discuss...so you can hop off the ol' high horse.

 

[CL82]

it's not a yes or no situation, it's shades of grey. Since we've been passed over thus far, it'd be a no right now. Finally, it's a discussion board where people, you know, discuss...so you can hop off the ol' high horse.

No, it's definitionally a "yes or no situation." And the answer is no it's not disqualifying.

(Yes it is a discussion board, if you don't want your post commented on don't post.)

 

[John]

No, it's definitionally a "yes or no situation." And the answer is no it's not disqualifying.

(Yes it is a discussion board, if you don't want your post commented on don't post.)

comment all you want, and you're still wrong.

 

[Fishy]

California has 40 million people so this is pocket change for a state run school. They set a goal of getting to FBS and got there. It's not the PAC 12 but it's FBS

"FOS first reported the formation of the “Sac-12,” a group of local politicians and businesspeople pooling financial resources to win the program an invitation to the Pac-12; they committed to offer $50 million in NIL (name, image, and likeness) opportunities to Sacramento State athletes if the program secured a Pac-12 invitation. Though the group was independent of the university and athletics department, it reflected the same aggressive desire to make it to the next level."

Sacramento State Will Pay $20M+ to Join MAC in FBS

The Hornets have been pushing hard for an FBS invitation, and will join the MAC as a football-only member beginning this coming season.

frontofficesports.com

"It's pocket change"

It's not. They're broke. That $50M was a complete fiction.

 

[CL82]

comment all you want, and you're still wrong.

Am I, though? I noticed you avoided answering how being a plaintiff in the Big East lawsuit against the ACC could be disqualifying for ACC membership when two plaintiffs in that lawsuit are in fact ACC members.

Facts are facts.

 

[Chuck]

"It's pocket change"

It's not. They're broke. That $50M was a complete fiction.

The goal of Cal State schools is to provide accessible, high-quality, affordable public higher education that prepares a diverse student body for the workforce and fosters social mobility. Most of the Cal States (other than SDSU) have a lot of commuters, part-timers and people that can't otherwise afford the more traditional college experience. 89% of Sacramento State students commute to school (but the school is considering implementing an on-campus requirement).

Imagine you're a kid in the Sacramento area attending Sacramento State and you get hit with a few thousand dollars in fees to pay for your crappy football team to play in a crappy FBS league. I'd be livid. If I wanted that experience (and cost) I'd go to community college for a couple years and transfer to a Cal school. This is a total fiduciary breach.

Editing to add that the MAC deserves some credit here. Sac State won't make the league worse, and they just got more money than 2.5 years of their tv contract.

 

[John]

Am I, though? I noticed you avoided answering how being a plaintiff in the Big East lawsuit against the ACC could be disqualifying for ACC membership when two plaintiffs in that lawsuit are in fact ACC members.

Facts are facts.

I explained why one of them is a ACC member, so now we're down to Pitt.

 

[CL82]

I explained why one of them is a ACC member, so now we're down to Pitt.

But implicit in that explanation is the fact that being a member of the lawsuit didn't prevent them from joining the ACC, right?

 

[Fishy]

The goal of Cal State schools is to provide accessible, high-quality, affordable public higher education that prepares a diverse student body for the workforce and fosters social mobility. Most of the Cal States (other than SDSU) have a lot of commuters, part-timers and people that can't otherwise afford the more traditional college experience. 89% of Sacramento State students commute to school (but the school is considering implementing an on-campus requirement).

Imagine you're a kid in the Sacramento area attending Sacramento State and you get hit with a few thousand dollars in fees to pay for your crappy football team to play in a crappy FBS league. I'd be livid. If I wanted that experience (and cost) I'd go to community college for a couple years and transfer to a Cal school. This is a total fiduciary breach.

This is a school with literally no revenue. The guy said he had $50M in NIL ready to go....his total athletic donations are under $900,000 a year. His ticket sales are under $500,000 a year.

He loves announcing splashy partnerships like a $7.5M deal with a local tribe, but the fine print gets dicey....is $7.5M trading hands? Ehhh....it's valued at $7.5M, whatever that means.

The whole thing is an athletic Fyre Festivals.

 

[John]

But implicit in that explanation is the fact that being a member of the lawsuit didn't prevent them from joining the ACC, right?

let's agree to disagree so we can stop annoying the other users of the board.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

I explained why one of them is a ACC member, so now we're down to Pitt.

Did Clemson and Florida State sue the ACC? Are they still in the ACC?

 

[CL82]

let's agree to disagree so we can stop annoying the other users of the board.

Sure. There's not much point in it anyway. In the end facts are facts in trying to wordsmith around them is a pointless exercise.

 

[ZooCougar]

Did Clemson and Florida State sue the ACC? Are they still in the ACC?

The master of false equivalence and bad faith arguments.

 

[ZooCougar]

Sure. There's not much point in it anyway. In the end facts are facts in trying to wordsmith around them is a pointless exercise.

whatever it takes to make you feel better.

 

[ZooCougar]

This is a school with literally no revenue. The guy said he had $50M in NIL ready to go....his total athletic donations are under $900,000 a year. His ticket sales are under $500,000 a year.

He loves announcing splashy partnerships like a $7.5M deal with a local tribe, but the fine print gets dicey....is $7.5M trading hands? Ehhh....it's valued at $7.5M, whatever that means.

The whole thing is an athletic Fyre Festivals.

Did you see that Sac State estimates that MAC Football will have a $975M economic impact? Honestly I think this will end up as some sort of real estate scam.

 

[CL82]

Thanks for posting this. Hilarious.

You're welcome. Unsurprisingly, after all this discussion and an impressive amount of bluff and bluster, on your part, you are still unable to explain how if being a plaintiff in the big east lawsuit against the ACC disqualifies people from being a member of the ACC, two of the plaintiffs in the lawsuit are actually currently members of the ACC.

 

[Kolumbo]

"It's pocket change"

It's not. They're broke. That $50M was a complete fiction.

What does broke mean. The Cal State system is the largest in the country. I mean I suppose UConn is broke too since it runs a deficit

The goal of Cal State schools is to provide accessible, high-quality, affordable public higher education that prepares a diverse student body for the workforce and fosters social mobility. Most of the Cal States (other than SDSU) have a lot of commuters, part-timers and people that can't otherwise afford the more traditional college experience. 89% of Sacramento State students commute to school (but the school is considering implementing an on-campus requirement).

Imagine you're a kid in the Sacramento area attending Sacramento State and you get hit with a few thousand dollars in fees to pay for your crappy football team to play in a crappy FBS league. I'd be livid. If I wanted that experience (and cost) I'd go to community college for a couple years and transfer to a Cal school. This is a total fiduciary breach.

Editing to add that the MAC deserves some credit here. Sac State won't make the league worse, and they just got more money than 2.5 years of their tv contract.

Sac State is very affordable. you know they aren't going to whack students with a huge increase, nevermind a few thousand dollars

I'm sure the finances are very bad initially but regarding the Cal State system, most people probably think of SDSU and Fresno because of their athletics. This brings more attention to Sacramento. Luke Wood seems optimistic

 

[JwittersPAC]

Based on recent reports,
several state universities and systems are currently grappling with budget deficits or required spending cuts in excess of $109 million due to factors such as declining enrollment, inflation, and reduced state funding.
Here are the state universities and systems with budget deficits or planned cuts exceeding $109 million:

• California State University (System): As of late 2024, the CSU system has faced a potential budget deficit approaching $500 million, leading to significant cost-cutting measures, including tuition increases.
• Pennsylvania State University: Penn State reported a general funds budget deficit of $140 million in early 2024, forcing the university to seek major budget reductions.
• University of Arizona: The university engaged in a plan to fix a deficit that grew to over $110 million in the 2023-2024 period, which included using reserves, staff layoffs, and cuts to athletic departments.
• Michigan State University: In May 2025, MSU announced plans for over $150 million in budget cuts over the next two years, driven by rising costs and financial challenges.
• University of Minnesota: The university faced a $115 million shortfall in 2023, caused by factors including reduced federal funding and inflation.
• Connecticut State Colleges & Universities (System): The system faced a projected deficit of $109 million for the 2023-2024 fiscal year, which threatened to increase to over $225 million in the following year.
• Stony Brook University (SUNY): In 2020, reports indicated the university was facing a $109 million deficit, forcing them to draw down on reserves.

• What does broke mean. The Cal State system is the largest in the country. I mean I suppose UConn is broke too since it runs a deficit
  
  
  Sac State is very affordable. you know they aren't going to whack students with a huge increase, nevermind a few thousand dollars

 

[ZooCougar]

You're welcome. Unsurprisingly, after all this discussion and an impressive amount of bluff and bluster, on your part, you are still unable to explain how if being a plaintiff in the big east lawsuit against the ACC disqualifies people from being a member of the ACC, two of the plaintiffs in the lawsuit are actually currently members of the ACC.

I’ll let you and your brother Nelson workshop this. thx

 

[Fishy]

What does broke mean. The Cal State system is the largest in the country. I mean I suppose UConn is broke too since it runs a deficit


Sac State is very affordable. you know they aren't going to whack students with a huge increase, nevermind a few thousand dollars

I'm sure the finances are very bad initially but regarding the Cal State system, most people probably think of SDSU and Fresno because of their athletics. This brings more attention to Sacramento. Luke Wood seems optimistic

Question for the group -

How do I put together an answer for someone who has not even the beginnings of a clue as to what he's talking about without insulting him?

I stared at his response for about three minutes and I simply could not find a way.