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Incorrect. 2 top 15 hockey teams.
One note on the Big Ten potentially taking Stanford and Cal. Unexpectedly, it could mark the end of the ACC as a relevant conference due to lack of a significant television contract. Here's why:
Remember how the PAC 12 died partially because the Big 12 had taken the last remaining tv slots and there were none left for the PAC 12? There may be a similar situation coming where no significant networks will broadcast a substantial number of ACC games on tv (after the ACC GOR expires in 2036), because all the main networks are already taken. The Big Ten has gobbled up FOX (and FS1), CBS, and NBC (which they share with Notre Dame). The SEC has taken ESPN, ESPN2, and ABC. What's left?
The only available slots I see remaining are during the late night hours. The Big Ten will take that slot on FS1 since they now have western teams; none of FOX, CBS, or NBC are likely to broadcast 10pm football games nationally. Meanwhile, ESPN has late night openings since the SEC won't have any 10pm games. The question is whether they'd rather broadcast Big 12 or ACC games during that time.
The Big 12 currently has five teams out west: Utah, BYU, Arizona, Arizona State, and Colorado. Meanwhile, the ACC only has two teams out west: Stanford and Cal. If those two get invited to the Big Ten, the ACC will have no western teams and thus no value for ESPN, in terms of filling its late night slots. In this scenario, ESPN would pick the Big 12 over the ACC, leaving the ACC with no significant tv contract. To make matters worse, that'll likely lead to the main remaining ACC schools bolting for the Big 12, and then the ACC is really screwed. Remember that they're already going to lose UNC and one or all of UVA/FSU/Clemson to the SEC. They can't afford to lose all of them plus Miami and more to the Big 12 on top of that.
However, if Cal and Stanford remain in the ACC, the conference will likely add a few western teams- probably Boise State and one or more of UNLV/San Diego State/Washington State- and then it becomes unclear whether ESPN would prefer the Big 12 or ACC. So unexpectedly, it seems to me like the key to the ACC having a shot at survival as a relevant and main conference hinges on keeping Stanford and Cal.
Remember how the PAC 12 died partially because the Big 12 had taken the last remaining tv slots and there were none left for the PAC 12? There may be a similar situation coming where no significant networks will broadcast a substantial number of ACC games on tv (after the ACC GOR expires in 2036), because all the main networks are already taken. The Big Ten has gobbled up FOX (and FS1), CBS, and NBC (which they share with Notre Dame). The SEC has taken ESPN, ESPN2, and ABC. What's left?
The only available slots I see remaining are during the late night hours. The Big Ten will take that slot on FS1 since they now have western teams; none of FOX, CBS, or NBC are likely to broadcast 10pm football games nationally. Meanwhile, ESPN has late night openings since the SEC won't have any 10pm games. The question is whether they'd rather broadcast Big 12 or ACC games during that time.
The Big 12 currently has five teams out west: Utah, BYU, Arizona, Arizona State, and Colorado. Meanwhile, the ACC only has two teams out west: Stanford and Cal. If those two get invited to the Big Ten, the ACC will have no western teams and thus no value for ESPN, in terms of filling its late night slots. In this scenario, ESPN would pick the Big 12 over the ACC, leaving the ACC with no significant tv contract. To make matters worse, that'll likely lead to the main remaining ACC schools bolting for the Big 12, and then the ACC is really screwed. Remember that they're already going to lose UNC and one or all of UVA/FSU/Clemson to the SEC. They can't afford to lose all of them plus Miami and more to the Big 12 on top of that.
However, if Cal and Stanford remain in the ACC, the conference will likely add a few western teams- probably Boise State and one or more of UNLV/San Diego State/Washington State- and then it becomes unclear whether ESPN would prefer the Big 12 or ACC. So unexpectedly, it seems to me like the key to the ACC having a shot at survival as a relevant and main conference hinges on keeping Stanford and Cal.
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You aren't taking into account things like the SECN, BTN, ACCN, and new entrants and expanding networks like TNT/HBO Max, The CW, CBS, NBC as well as Friday night games from the P4, bye weeks, and out of conference games. Look at week 9 in the the SEC. There are 3 games on ABC, 1 on ESPN, and 3 on SECN. That leaves 8 ESPN time slots available 2 on ESPN, 3 on ESPN2, and 3 on ESPNU.
I’m not saying the ACC won’t have any tv contract. I’m saying it will be a contract with second-tier networks that will be absolutely dwarfed by the SEC and Big Ten contracts, and will exacerbate the gap between them and the two superconferences. In other words, the ACC will basically become the equivalent of what the American Athletic Conference and Mountain West Conference are today.
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The timing could not possibly be worse
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Correct. There will be a TV package for the ACC and it will be a combination of cable and streaming and have very few spots for networks or the prime spots on Disney or Fox properties. Accordingly, the value of those games will be way less than the other conferences.
You mean they won’t be looking for that BC Wake Forest matchup?
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I disagree. All networks and streaming services have realized that live sports is one of the main drivers of viewers and the value of rites continues to go up. Apple TV just got the rights for Formula 1 from ESPN for $140 million per year vs the $90 million that ESPN was paying. ESPN and their networks are only one part of the college sports tv ecosystem and they are limited at how much they can pay as their cable bundle subscriber base continues to decline offset somewhat by streaming. We now have FOX/FS1 and FS2, NBC (and Peacock), CBS (Paramount+ and CBS Sport Network), TNT/TBS and HBO Max, The CW, Netflix, Apple TV, Amazon, NBA TV, MLB Network, NFL Network, NFL Sunday ticket, regional sports networks like NESN and YES, ... to bid up rights.
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F1 can kiss casual viewers goodbye. It will disappear over on Apple.