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Hartford (18 sq. miles) is also less than half the size of Disney World (40 sq. miles), Tallahassee (95 sq. miles) is more than 5x bigger by land area
 
hoopsfan22 said:
Connecticut is about twice as densely populated as Florida, so if you're unhappy with how busy and overcrowded Florida has become, you're really gonna dislike pretty much anywhere the Bos-Wash corridor. At least in Florida you can go sit on one of the nicest beaches in the country to be unhappy about all the people.
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Arizona is forced into density
Although it’s top ten in areas
between public lands and native
Reservations 500,,000 sq miles of them
populated by 300k from 20 different nations .
only 18% of the land is available for private use.
The US government owns a large % of the land in Western Stares except Texas .
One thing the Cowboys and Indians have in common is distrust of the Federal government . One the BOIA the other BOLM , both departments of the interior .
 
ScottVib said:
Hartford (18 sq. miles) is also less than half the size of Disney World (40 sq. miles), Tallahassee (95 sq. miles) is more than 5x bigger by land area
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Thus the density ratings...120,000 in basically a compact urban area...

Heck, FSU covers 487 acres...44,600 students. FAMU has about 10,000...both in city limits just blocks from downtown...

I made an error...Census lists Tallahassee at population of 201,731

 
Western North Carolina is very different from both Hartford and Tallahassee....Both Tallahassee and Hartford have 30 something percent of their population identifying as "black"...

This county in the mountains has less than 2%...as do surrounding counties...it took a while to get used to the non diverse population characteristics.
 
billybud said:
Thus the density ratings...120,000 in basically a compact urban area...

Heck, FSU covers 487 acres...44,600 students. FAMU has about 10,000...both in city limits just blocks from downtown...

I made an error...Census lists Tallahassee at population of 201,731

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This is why city comparisons are silly. The economic unit is the metro area.
Among the nearly 400 metro areas, Hartford metro area's density is in the top 30. (Hartford+Middlesex+Tolland counties)

Hartford = 800 people/sq mi
Tallahassee = 170
Jax, FL = 530

Only metros in the south in the top 30 = Dallas, Houston, Miami, Tampa, and Cape Coral-Ft Myers.
(Well, technically, Baltimore & DC are south too, though no one would say they are.)
 
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Vowelguy said:
This is why city comparisons are silly. The economic unit is the metro area.
Among the nearly 400 metro areas, Hartford metro area's density is in the top 30. (Hartford+Middlesex+Tolland counties)

Hartford = 800 people/sq mi
Tallahassee = 170
Jax, FL = 530

Only metros in the south in the top 30 = Dallas, Houston, Miami, Tampa, and Cape Coral-Ft Myers.
(Well, technically, Baltimore & DC are south too, though no one would say they are.)
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Actually, "metro area" is a misleading term because the size widely varies from city to city. The better comparison is taking a consistent distances for every city so that you you are comparing apples to apples regardless of whether an area choose to roll all the surrounding communities into the city or whether, as in the case of Hartford, West Hartford etc. they chose to maintain separate municipalities.
 
CL82 said:
Actually, "metro area" is a misleading term because the size widely varies from city to city. The better comparison is taking a consistent distances for every city so that you you are comparing apples to apples regardless of whether an area choose to roll all the surrounding communities into the city or whether, as in the case of Hartford, West Hartford etc. they chose to maintain separate municipalities.
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Distances are different though depending on where you are in the country. There’s more land in the Midwest than the Norheast, ergo cities are built differently.
 
CL82 said:
Actually, "metro area" is a misleading term because the size widely varies from city to city. The better comparison is taking a consistent distances for every city so that you you are comparing apples to apples regardless of whether an area choose to roll all the surrounding communities into the city or whether, as in the case of Hartford, West Hartford etc. they chose to maintain separate municipalities.
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As opposed to Willimantic, So Windham, North Windham and Windham Center, all under Windham, part of the Greater Willimantic Metropolitan region
 
JeepCSC said:
Distances are different though depending on where you are in the country. There’s more land in the Midwest than the Norheast, ergo cities are built differently.
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No, development may be different, but distances are always the same since they are all defined terms. That's why it makes sense to use defined distances as a standard. That allows you to make apples to apples comparisons.
 
CL82 said:
No, development may be different, but distances are always the same since they are all defined terms. That's why it makes sense to use defined distances as a standard. That allows you to make apples to apples comparisons.
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Different areas utilize distances in different ways for a variety of reasons. Metro areas are limiting and distortable, but so are straight up drawing circles around cities.
 
JeepCSC said:
Different areas utilize distances in different ways for a variety of reasons. Metro areas are limiting and distortable, but so are straight up drawing circles around cities.
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How is a set distance "distortable"? It is exactly the opposite. It is a constant. When you were doing a comparison you want to limit variables so that you can measure change in the specific variable your testing. In this case that variable would be location.
 
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CL82 said:
How is a set distance "distortable"? It is exactly the opposite. It is a constant. When you were doing a comparison you want to limit variables so that you can measure change in the specific variable your testing. In this case that variable would be location.
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Because not all places are built the same. A 30-mile circle around Hartford would get into Springfield and the outskirts of the NYC and Boston CSAs. The same circle around Raleigh wouldn't get you to Hillsborough, Sanford, or Dunn (all which send a steady amount of commuters to Raleigh). Circles tells you how many live within an arbitrary distance from a center point, but not really touching how those people interact with the center point. MSAs have their own issues (see Raleigh being split from Durham). Both are flawed.
 
JeepCSC said:
Because not all places are built the same. A 30-mile circle around Hartford would get into Springfield and the outskirts of the NYC and Boston CSAs. The same circle around Raleigh wouldn't get you to Hillsborough, Sanford, or Dunn (all which send a steady amount of commuters to Raleigh). Circles tells you how many live within an arbitrary distance from a center point, but not really touching how those people interact with the center point. MSAs have their own issues (see Raleigh being split from Durham). Both are flawed.
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I have no doubt that both are imperfect measurements, but the question is which is "less than perfect." It really depends on what you're measuring, right? If you were looking at, say potential resident tax ramifications, then, yes, you would absolutely look at municipal boundaries . But generally the most telling approximation is the number of people within a certain distance to the municipality. That is particularly applicable to athletic teams since the question really is how many people can reasonably attend the game or are likely to support a team.
 
CL82 said:
I have no doubt that both are imperfect measurements, but the question is which is "less than perfect." It really depends on what you're measuring, right? If you were looking at, say potential resident tax ramifications, then, yes, you would absolutely look at municipal boundaries . But generally the most telling approximation is the number of people within a certain distance to the municipality. That is particularly applicable to athletic teams since the question really is how many people can reasonably attend the game or are likely to support a team.
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It gets even more complicated when you start discussing sports teams. The Whalers moved in part because of they were losing the turf war in a crowded marketplace, regardless of the number of people inside their circle. Have to look at a whole host of data and then figure out how best to interpret it.
 
JeepCSC said:
It gets even more complicated when you start discussing sports teams. The Whalers moved in part because of they were losing the turf war in a crowded marketplace, regardless of the number of people inside their circle. Have to look at a whole host of data and then figure out how best to interpret it.
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Agree. You absolutely have to understand the competitions for viewers/fans within a given marketplace. But first, you have to define what that given marketplace is. That is another very distinct advantage UConn has since, for all practical purposes it really doesn't compete with other college teams for fans.

I feel like we are drifting a little bit though.
 
Fun fact. The Houston MSA is almost double the land size of the state of Connecticut. As for the city itself, if Hartford was the same land area, UConn in Storrs and the med school in Farmington would be part of Hartford.
 
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This is a preliminary ruling, but the standard for this injunction is that the court believes the plaintiffs (players) have a "likely chance" of winning. Not just some chance. The court has to pre-determine the issue a bit to issue this. It's a big deal.

Full free agency has arrived.
 
billybud said:
This is a preliminary ruling, but the standard for this injunction is that the court believes the plaintiffs (players) have a "likely chance" of winning. Not just some chance. The court has to pre-determine the issue a bit to issue this. It's a big deal.

Full free agency has arrived.
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About to see 4 school-4 year players…great. /s
 
ScottVib said:
Hartford (18 sq. miles) is also less than half the size of Disney World (40 sq. miles), Tallahassee (95 sq. miles) is more than 5x bigger by land area
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Ten largest cities in area on the US
  1. Sitka, AK (2,870.3 mi2)
  2. Juneau, AK (2,701.9 mi2)
  3. Wrangell, AK (2,542.5 mi2)
  4. Anchorage, AK (1,704.7 mi2)
  5. Jacksonville, FL (747 mi2)
  6. Anaconda, MT (735.6 mi2)
  7. Butte, MT (716.2 mi2)
  8. Oklahoma City, OK (607 mi2)
  9. Houston, TX (599.6 mi2)
  10. Phoenix, AZ (516.7 mi2
 
Storrs South said:
Says OSU and WSU want to rebuild the PAC12
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Always figured the PAC moniker would stick around with OSU and WSU. I'm assuming the only question is will it be a full merger with the MWC or will they pick and choose the top pieces from the MWC, WCC, AAC, others?

There's a chance to trim some fat off the bottom of the MWC if they care to. A new PAC that leaves out Air Force would make the American an even more realistic and enjoyable destination for UConn football
 
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Isn't there a $16.5 exit fee in the MW? Not sure multiple schools are paying that exit fee just to trim the fat and play with OSU/WSU.
 
XStorrsion said:
Isn't there a $16.5 exit fee in the MW? Not sure multiple schools are paying that exit fee just to trim the fat and play with OSU/WSU.
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It could be 34 million depending on when they leave. At the end of the day, the Pac-2 and MW will likely merge under the Pac-12 banner.
 
shizzle787 said:
It could be 34 million depending on when they leave. At the end of the day, the Pac-2 and MW will likely merge under the Pac-12 banner.
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It will be interesting to see if that happens. If I'm the mountain west, I am looking to get a piece of the exit feed treasure chest that WSU and OSU are sitting on. I don't see that they have many other choices.

WSU and OSU have to think about whether that merger is more valuable to them than keeping the exit fees, which are considerable.
 
LoyalFanCT said:
No mention of realignment in UConn's 10-year strategic plan, or even winning football teams

today.uconn.edu

UConn Adopts Ambitious 10-Year Strategic Plan - UConn Today

Building on the pillars of promoting holistic student success, expanding the University’s research impact, and helping Connecticut thrive
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All due respect loyal, when you're trying to achieve a billion dollar endowment and $500 million on yearly research money, winning football games and realignment do not even register as a priority.
 
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