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Key tweets, and it's all gone to Hell.

Now we have the "A5?!" wtf

I've we've learned anything, and shame on us UConn fans if we haven't learned anything, it's that in CR basketball doesn't even amount to:

Motivate Matt Foley GIF
 
Drew said:
I love how there’s a direct quote from a sitting AD talking about how the A5 will be the ones to split and people are still casually just like “yeah the Big East will be there too no worries”
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WTH is the A5?

And who is the #5?
 
Drew said:
I love how there’s a direct quote from a sitting AD talking about how the A5 will be the ones to split and people are still casually just like “yeah the Big East will be there too no worries”
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So the Pac-2 is going to be in but no the Big East? LOL.
 
Vowelguy said:
WTH is the A5?

And who is the #5?
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The “autonomy five” are the power five conferences: B1G, SEC, Big 12, ACC, PAC12. They, by legal entity name written in NCAA legislation, have authority to make their own rules and have existing 2 votes to the non-A5 1 vote in NCAA matters.

shizzle787 said:
So the Pac-2 is going to be in but no the Big East? LOL.
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Well, they’re legally written in the NCAA rules by league name as being part of the A5. That future is TBD- but a reverse merger with MWC becoming the P12 is going to happen. At that point they’d have to change the legislation which could easily happen.

More detail on “Autonomy 5” from 2014:

www.cbssports.com

NCAA adopts new Division I model giving Power 5 autonomy

Q&A on what Thursday's NCAA vote means.
www.cbssports.com www.cbssports.com

It lets the SEC, ACC, Big Ten, Pac-12 and Big 12 create their own rules — other conferences can adopt them, too, if they want — in certain areas to benefit college athletes. Leaders of the major conferences say they have the resources to provide more to athletes and have tried for years but get blocked by smaller schools. External pressure by lawsuits and Congress has also forced the issue.
 
ZooCougar said:
Literally your argument is hope. That’s not an argument.
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No, you asked where the money for adding Connecticut could come from. Once that was explained you jumped to something else. It's not a problem, it's your MO. It just makes you tough to take seriously.
 
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CL82 said:
No, you asked where the money for adding Connecticut could come from. Once that was explained you jumped to something else. It's not a problem, it's your MO. It just makes you tough to take seriously.
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Yeah. But that money won’t be there, because your premise is that you are hoping we will be included based on the fact that we won a championship recently. As if that is some sort of sacred discriminator. If we have learned anything, we know that nothing is sacred in this business.

That is why I think your argument hinges on hope.
 
shizzle787 said:
So the Pac-2 is going to be in but no the Big East? LOL.
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If you were in the A5 why would you want to include DePaul and Providence?

Do they even want to include schools like Purdue and Syracuse? And what on earth is IU doing?

They will not be inclusive. That is the assumption.
 
ZooCougar said:
If you were in the A5 why would you want to include DePaul and Providence?

Do they even want to include schools like Purdue and Syracuse? And what on earth is IU doing?

They will not be inclusive. That is the assumption.
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At the end of the day, it won't be as exclusive as they think. In the 80s, they tried to get rid of the MAC from 1-A and couldn't. There will be a few extra leagues that survive.

I've said it before and I will say it again: there will be more than 70 schools at the top level when revenue sharing comes into place. My bet is about 90-100 will play football and there will be about 150 or so altogether.

I actually think the Ivy League (not for football) due to its brand will make the cut.

Here is my guess as to which leagues will decide to opt-in:
Big Ten
SEC
ACC
Big 12
Big East
Pac-12/MW
AAC
A-10
Ivy
Sun Belt

Maybes:
WCC
MWC
MAC
CUSA
 
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noeynox said:
So is Marquette beating Kansas. No one cares. I only watch UConn mens BB, so i was totally unaware of Marquette beating Kansas.
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Anyone who follows MBB at all, even casually, knows the strength of the Big East. No one back then (or now) know what conference Boise or Tulane were/are in.
 
ZooCougar said:
Yeah. But that money won’t be there, because your premise is that you are hoping we will be included based on the fact that we won a championship recently. As if that is some sort of sacred discriminator. If we have learned anything, we know that nothing is sacred in this business.

That is why I think your argument hinges on hope
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Maybe, but your original claim was that there was no money available to pay us. You do understand that your belief that no one cares about national championships is something different, right?

#movinggoalposts
 
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CL82 said:
Maybe, but your original claim was that there was no money available to pay us. You do understand that your belief that no one cares about national championships is something different, right?

#movinggoalposts
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That’s not what moving the goal posts is.

Your whole argument is based on an assumption I don’t agree with.
 
Amazing that people are somehow still confusing “league with some good basketball teams” with “leagues with written legislative power in NCAA bylaws that make all the money”. If you can’t see the difference (it has NOTHING to do with on field competition results), I don’t know what to tell you other than sorry for your future shock at what happens.
 
UConnTrumbull said:
We just watched Marquette smack down Kansas. Any basketball system without the Big East is fraudulent. It’s that simple.
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Realignment has never been about quality/deserving to be "in the club." It's been about what do you do for us financially. UConn's exclusion to this point should help demonstrate the point... basketball success doesn't matter and it's not about being "fraudulent" or being "credible." Similarly, you could've argued a football system without Boise in the early 2000s was fraudulent & how'd that work out for the Broncos?

People clutching to the argument that the Big East is too good to leave out, have missed the point Lew Perkins was trying to make when he first proposed upgrading the football program. It was needed to protect basketball, unfortunately they started too late and cut too many corners when realignment got hot. They continue to cut corners.. and the failure to develop football properly may ultimately doom basketball to a lower level of competition (unless UConn can find some life-raft).

Outside of UConn/Villanova the Big East is just a collection of schools under a decent Brand name. If you replace Butler with Dayton and there is no change with the value of the Big East (among networks, UConn fans may care but that an $8 will get you a Latte at Starbucks); replace Seton Hall with St. Bonaventure; Marquette with Loyola; Creighton with Rice and there is no change to the financial value of the Big East. It's value is driven by UConn, Villanova and the Big East name. The other schools are between "airable when they're good/ranked," "worth airing only when they play UConn/Nova" and "programming filler, tagged to the Big East name."
 
Drew said:
Amazing that people are somehow still confusing “league with some good basketball teams” with “leagues with written legislative power in NCAA bylaws that make all the money”. If you can’t see the difference (it has NOTHING to do with on field competition results), I don’t know what to tell you other than sorry for your future shock at what happens.
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I don’t think anyone is ignoring this. It’s been a realistic scenario for a decade now which is why I was pro-Big 12. The only point I am making (and this is solely for Basketball) is a Basketball tournament without the Big East is fraudulent. Can it happen?, sure it can. But I don’t think the public will tune in to March Madness of P4/5 whatever the heck it is.
 
UConnTrumbull said:
I don’t think anyone is ignoring this. It’s been a realistic scenario for a decade now which is why I was pro-Big 12. The only point I am making (and this is solely for Basketball) is a Basketball tournament without the Big East is fraudulent. Can it happen?, sure it can. But I don’t think the public will tune in to March Madness of P4/5 whatever the heck it is.
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After the first weekend where the event is the story more than the matchups... the games with non-power teams are ratings killers. The public actively tunes out of the games without P4/5 (after the first weekend). If you can built the event up enough in the first weekend, by the second weekend, you're looking at the standard best case scenario for ratings with all power schools.
 
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UConnTrumbull said:
I don’t think anyone is ignoring this. It’s been a realistic scenario for a decade now which is why I was pro-Big 12. The only point I am making (and this is solely for Basketball) is a Basketball tournament without the Big East is fraudulent. Can it happen?, sure it can. But I don’t think the public will tune in to March Madness of P4/5 whatever the heck it is.
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Oh, tons of people are ignoring this here.
 
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