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Chuck Carlton ‏@ChuckCarltonDMN · 37m37 minutes ago
Bowlsby confirms pro rata clause in TV contracts would match shares if league expands. But revenue from NCAA, CFP would be split more ways.
 
bobbyinaz said:
Based on Bowlsby's comments, it's pretty obvious that Boren is making it clear that OU is saying "fix this issue with the LHN so we can have our own conference network or we're going to start looking for a new home".

The question that has always been out there is can OU make a break without little brother OSU? If they can make a move on their own then the SEC & B1G are likely in play. If they have to take OSU with them the only possibility is the PAC & IMO unless Texas come with them the PAC has no interest in any combination of schools that doesn't include UT
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Pac-12 would probably add schools out of desperation.
Because otherwise, if conferences ever decide to make membership uniform, they'll be looking to add Boise, UNLV and San Diego St.
 
Stewart Mandel ‏@slmandel · 1h1 hour ago
As others have noted, significant revelation today about the Big 12's TV deal. If everyone's share is guaranteed, expansion far more viable

Stewart Mandel ‏@slmandel · 1h1 hour ago
I think the Big 12 has been using the "smaller pie" excuse to avoid saying, we don't think any of the schools out there are good enough.

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Dan Wolken ‏@DanWolken · 2h2 hours ago
I can't tell you today whether Big 12 is expanding. But after today and revelation about TV deal, I will never trust what they say.

Dan Wolken covers college football and occasionally other things for @USATODAY.
 
Take a half share, a quarter share... Whatever... There are ways to make the economics work...
 
I actually cannot believe we're talking about UCONN in the Big12. It's absolutely insane and no way are we their top pick or a mere top 5. You guys ever look at a map? We are closer to the freaking SEC east than them..See our Football?

The American even makes more sense than this. I am all about P5 but our fit is B1G or ACC
 
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MASSconn said:
I actually cannot believe we're talking about UCONN in the Big12. It's absolutely insane and no way are we their top pick or a mere top 5. You guys ever look at a map? We are closer to the freaking SEC east than them..See our Football?

The American even makes more sense than this. I am all about P5 but our fit is B1G or ACC
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maps. Big 12 is a fit as much as the AAC. P5 or bust by any,means.
 
All of the focus that gets put on these tv contracts only shows the folks talking about them have no knowledge of the media business. A school(s) which is able to lineup media dollars to carriers can easily justify inclusion without dilution. Major sponsors to an espn or fox can move the dial. I don't know Memphis or UCF very well, but i know the Cincy has that capability. However, i still get the feeling from folks i've talked to that know more than i, that they will end up in the acc at some point. Unless acc can get their network together, it's hard to say what's happening there. However, once the remaining 4 or 5 p5 candidates start dropping, the options for the other conferences dwindle. The next movement may well be a preemptive strike, rather than a logical move like the b12 adding needed numbers. Lord knows they seem to not be able to agree on anything.
 
Landthieves ‏@LandThieves · 2h2 hours ago
Boren pretty much nuked everyone's notions of the tv deal. Straight up, that info was never coming out.

Dan Wolken ‏@DanWolken · 2h2 hours ago
@LandThieves It is a huge revelation. If I wasn't on vacation I'd have written about it

Landthieves ‏@LandThieves · 2h2 hours ago
@DanWolken 5 years of "added value" speeches going in a 3 minute interview after a BOR meeting. incredible

Dan Wolken ‏@DanWolken · 2h2 hours ago
@LandThieves It really is. I mean, that's a major detail people from the league basically lied about publicly every time they opened mouth
 
itgoeslike said:
Wow, I can't believe Boren would defy the Dood like this. Boren is a loose canon. Does anybody really think Boren's sources (including himself) are more solid than the Dood's? Just crazy talk. . .
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Dude actually said, he didn't think Boren was correct about the contract before saying technically he may be correct. Randome dude knows big12 contract better than OU prez.
 
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I'm a basketball fan, thus UConn to the BIG has been a wish of mine.

But now my gut says OU will help bolster the BIG West - the Neb connection is huge.

BIG is still a football conference at the end of the day.
 
Husky25 said:
Never really thought UConn was a legitimate candidate for the Big XII. Then again, I didn't think Louisville was a better candidate for the ACC ahead of UConn either, so what do I know?
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Nobody saw Rutgers as a BIG target either.
 
Gfunk said:
I'm a basketball fan, thus UConn to the BIG has been a wish of mine.

But now my gut says OU will help bolster the BIG West - the Neb connection is huge.

BIG is still a football conference at the end of the day.
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On one hand, first law of CR = UConn gets screwed. OU to the B1G might mean they can pick their partner, maybe OSU, maybe UT.

On the other hand, maybe OU has the football pedigree to justify adding UConn at the same time. Best scenario for us is B1G adds four, OU, UT, KU plus an eastern school. Hello.
 
noeynox said:
Dude actually said, he didn't think Boren was correct about the contract before saying technically he may be correct. Randome dude knows big12 contract better than OU prez.
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It's pure insanity. . .
 
noeynox said:
maps. Big 12 is a fit as much as the AAC. P5 or bust by any,means.
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Well I hope the movers and shakers at UConn (more SH than WM) are doing what they can to communicate with the B12 but
1) there might not be a baseline of interest in what we bring to the table from the B12 schools, esp. OU and UT,
1a) we're at least a year or two away from being able to say we're competent in football which is probably a little higher on the B12's list of priorities than on other P5's lists of priorities
2) leaving aside geography, UConn is a better institutional fit for the B1G or ACC (research / AAU), the B12 is only a slightly better institutional fit for UConn than the AAC, and that's only because of UT
3) in the long-term, B12 appears to be least stable of P5s right now.

tl;dr - B1G or ACC or bust.
 
junglehusky said:
On one hand, first law of CR = UConn gets screwed. OU to the B1G might mean they can pick their partner, maybe OSU, maybe UT.

On the other hand, maybe OU has the football pedigree to justify adding UConn at the same time. Best scenario for us is B1G adds four, OU, UT, KU plus an eastern school. Hello.
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If OU is going to the B1G, the B1G will be choosing its partner from Kansas and UConn.

Maybe the first law of CR is changing to "Kansas gets screwed."
 
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pj said:
If OU is going to the B1G, the B1G will be choosing its partner from Kansas and UConn.

Maybe the first law of CR is changing to "Kansas gets screwed."
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OU to the B1G would provide enough credibility in football that the B1G could make Johns Hopkins a full member and not worry. That in itself has to be encouraging for us (as it lessens the improvement necessary in football in the the very near future) but it does the same for Kansas.

If OU to the B1G is a consideration (this is all speculation) the question then is does the B1G view 16 or 18 as their ideal final number?
 
FfldCntyFan said:
OU to the B1G would provide enough credibility in football that the B1G could make Johns Hopkins a full member and not worry. That in itself has to be encouraging for us (as it lessens the improvement necessary in football in the the very near future) but it does the same for Kansas.

If OU to the B1G is a consideration (this is all speculation) the question then is does the B1G view 16 or 18 as their ideal final number?
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I feel like 18 is a little unwieldy. With 16 teams, you could set up divisions so you still play everybody every year in basketball and every other year in football. With 18, I don't know what you do. Two 9-team divisions is basically two different leagues. So then you've either got three divisions of 6 or six divisions of 3.
 
I will be shocked if OU selects BIG as landing spot. It makes itself the new frontier, it migrates its recruiting north - when you want to be in a conference w/schools from Cali, TX, or FL, it moves to the rust belt, it moves away from its fanbase ...... Pac12 or SEC or stay.
 
CallMeBruce said:
I feel like 18 is a little unwieldy. With 16 teams, you could set up divisions so you still play everybody every year in basketball and every other year in football. With 18, I don't know what you do. Two 9-team divisions is basically two different leagues. So then you've either got three divisions of 6 or six divisions of 3.
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Sounds like the Big East, no?
 
FfldCntyFan said:
OU to the B1G would provide enough credibility in football that the B1G could make Johns Hopkins a full member and not worry. That in itself has to be encouraging for us (as it lessens the improvement necessary in football in the the very near future) but it does the same for Kansas.

If OU to the B1G is a consideration (this is all speculation) the question then is does the B1G view 16 or 18 as their ideal final number?
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I really, really don't see OU to B1G as an option because the Sooners cannot leave Oklahoma State behind. The state made it clear back when they were flirting with the Pac 12 years ago that the two schools were a package deal.

I don't see the B1G taking two schools from Oklahoma. I think the more likely scenario is that OK/OK State actually bolt for the PAC 12 and KU heads to the B1G as No. 15 with a scramble set off to determine who becomes No. 16.
 
NYUConn said:
I really, really don't see OU to B1G as an option because the Sooners cannot leave Oklahoma State behind. The state made it clear back when they were flirting with the Pac 12 years ago that the two schools were a package deal.
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As I remember it, OU and OSU being packaged (along with Texas and Texas Tech) was due to the PAC's paired travel model, not a requirement from the state.
 
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NYUConn said:
I really, really don't see OU to B1G as an option because the Sooners cannot leave Oklahoma State behind. The state made it clear back when they were flirting with the Pac 12 years ago that the two schools were a package deal.

I don't see the B1G taking two schools from Oklahoma. I think the more likely scenario is that OK/OK State actually bolt for the PAC 12 and KU heads to the B1G as No. 15 with a scramble set off to determine who becomes No. 16.
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It would be pretty bonerrific to head off to the B1G with Kansas in tow. That league is instantly a legit contender for best basketball conference. UConn, Kansas, MSU, Maryland, Ohio State, Indiana, Michigan, Wisconsin, Illinois, and Purdue? Yeah, there's some flotsam at the bottom (Penn State, Northwestern, Nebraska, Rutgers), but that's a veritable murderer's row. Seven programs with national championships, and 13 who have been to the Final Four at some point (though some of them are quite a long time ago).
 
gioff23 said:
I will be shocked if OU selects BIG as landing spot. It makes itself the new frontier, it migrates its recruiting north - when you want to be in a conference w/schools from Cali, TX, or FL, it moves to the rust belt, it moves away from its fanbase . Pac12 or SEC or stay.
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I wouldn't. I think more and more OU fans dismiss the very arguments you make. OU would likely never give up the Red River rivalry, their football tradition is beyond indelible & they're within 2-6 hours drive distance of best recruiting grounds of Tx.

I've mentioned in previous posts a dream of OU, KU, UConn and UT to make the BIG (18) - such a setup would be the most formidable 1-2 punch in the biggest college sports (m. hoops & football).

UT to the BIG is a big what if, though the BIG nearly landed them back in the early 90s. Longhorns already travel up and down the I-35 corridor, going as far north as Ames, IA which is only 3 hours from Minneapolis, maybe less. But, that's the furthest north they go. WVa remains the biggest outlier for them, which can't be easy for Olympic sports. In the BIG they'd have to venture further east and north: PSU, Rutgers and Md.

But I have no idea at this point. OU could very well join the SEC.

I think the Pac12 ultimately sinks in as a really tough option for most current Big12 teams, too much geography coupled with time zone issues. Colorado proved to be the best candidate for the Pac12 due to the time zone, but that school has to deal with much more travel now. The closet road trip for Colorado fans in the Pac12 = just under 8 hours (Salt Lake City). That's pretty absurd. No other p5 conference has that minimum drive time, nearest opponent.
 
OKLA put UT on the clock to roll the LHN into a Big 12 network. If UT buys into that then the B12 looks to expand and I think that probably hurts us. If not everyone in the Big 12 is on notice that league is unstable. Hopefully someone decides to hop to the B1G and we finally have our partner.

OK is not AAU. There supposedly has been some back room complaining about Nebraska by B1G presidents. If true that make OK to the B1G a much harder sell.
 
FWIW the Red River Rivalry has been around for more than 100 years but UT & OU have been in the same conference for only ~20 years.

I personally don't believe that OU would be the B1G's first choice (while they have a very desirable athletic profile, I don't think they are up to the B1G's academic standards) and I don't believe the B1G would be OU's first choice (my guess is they would prefer the SEC).

If this (or any other turn of events) helps us land in the B1G I would be all for it. Everything else is merely window dressing.
 
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