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The B12 Presidents don't like UConn. These are people just trying to hold onto their huge salaries without upsetting the yahoos and the pols.
I think it just comes down to the region. These people aren't sports people. They have friends and family and advisors that are sports people and they probably just listen to them regurgitate all the negative press that seems to follow us. We've been a punching bag to the media and twittersphere for a while now. That has consequences.
 
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I haven't given up hope entirely, but it does feel like rule one is going to pop up yet again and smack us in the face. I have to say there's a certain familiarity in it and the utter devastation that I felt in the past from getting kicked to the curb at the 11th hour is now just a vague feeling of disgust.
I'm just glad we're in the Big East and not the AAC. This would be so much worse if we were still in the American.
 
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To date not a single conference agrees with the premise that we bring enough value. Thats a 20 year track record. We should be proposing a reduced payout thats greater than the BE payout.
There should be no problem with us needing to prove our worth over a similar period to the new additions coming in currently. That is a challenge we can meet and exceed.
 
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I haven't given up hope entirely, but it does feel like rule one is going to pop up yet again and smack us in the face. I have to say there's a certain familiarity in it and the utter devastation that I felt in the past from getting kicked to the curb at the 11th hour is now just a vague feeling of disgust.
Huge announcement the other day about UConn and a few others developing a new material stronger and lighter than steel. Also, UConn pres Radic is an internationally renown expert in green energy. These types of things might just get us into the B1G.
 

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I'm just glad we're in the Big East and not the AAC. This would be so much worse if we were still in the American.
Agree 100%. I think that is greatly contributing to dampening how sucky it is to, yet again, get dumped to the curb at the 11th hour.
 

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Huge announcement the other day about UConn and a few others developing a new material stronger and lighter than steel. Also, UConn pres Radic is an internationally renown expert in green energy. These types of things might just get us into the B1G.
I doubt it, but I appreciate where you are coming from.
 
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Is it a problem or a decision? Universities are not run by the athletic department. Professors advance to become school presidents, not coaches. So these leaders, whom we can at least hope are reasonably intelligent men and women, or at least being advised by reasonably intelligent men and women have decided that the continued investment in athletics is prudent for their universities. Given all that, your continued protestations to the contrary don't seem particularly credible.
According to a Chronicle of Higher Ed. study, the presidents at the big sports schools spend less than 3% of their time on AD stuff, even though the budgets for ADs often represent between 10-15% of the entire budget of the school. Most of the time spent by presidents is on the entire school budget. 50%+ of their time is spent literally moving around beans to see whether they can plug holes here and there, and whether they're causing bigger leaks elsewhere.

I've actually talked to a few of these guys about sports. I've been in Pres. suites where the Pres. (often from a foreign country who can barely understand the sport he's watching, and who thinks Americans are loony over college sports anyway) is simply deferring to the trustees and alumni. He makes $1m in salary. Don't rock the boat. Regarding sports, he is not making any strategy that benefits the long term health of the university and the welfare of students.

An administrator I know, who is now at the highest levels of a B1G school (no, not Penn State) once proposed a very smart plan for his school's athletic department, but it risked too much for the politicos and the Athletic Director (whose #1 goal was to keep his resume spotless for future promotions to bigger/better schools). I had talked about the administrator's (a Provost) recommendations at dinner weeks prior to that, and boy I tell you he will never get involved with sports ever again. His plan was received, and then people did an end around that chopped off his balls.

This is true especially down south where the coaches and ADs will run to the trustees, pols and boards behind the Presidents back. Down there, you will be fired for anything that can be perceived as inconveniencing sports. Remember Elsa Benitez at Texas A&M. Fired when the AD reported a surprise enormous deficit which she wasn't willing to totally subsidize.

So don't tell me Presidents make a considered analysis to lose money in athletics. They don't. The only thing they consider is how to keep making $1m in salary without permanently damaging the university, and when you hear about a President pulling a Benitez, make no mistake, something is going very, very, very wrong.
 

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The B12 Presidents don't like UConn. These are people just trying to hold onto their huge salaries without upsetting the yahoos and the pols.
I honestly think it's Connecticut they don't like. Look how we treat the rights of women compared to the B12 states. Laugh, but the thinking behind that Pace commercial is real.
 
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Key word once again is "backup plan". Unfortunately for us, the Pac is dead which means Utah gets first dibs at the 16th spot, and they'd be signing their own death certificate if they rejected it.
Backup plan is Trammel's take on the situation, not necessarily the B-12's position.
 
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Geez, maybe it’s time for UConn to sell itself to a private equity firm.
 
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No we didn't, we were always behind the four corners schools from the start.
I mean we had Mora telling kids we'd be in the Big XII and the only leaks from our side have been "positive energy and hopefulness"

Yormark and some presidents visited campus. There's been a ton of news out there that Yormark wants us and if it weren't for those darn school presidents wed be the pick.

And it seems now that all of that was posturing.
 
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According to a Chronicle of Higher Ed. study, the presidents at the big sports schools spend less than 3% of their time on AD stuff, even though the budgets for ADs often represent between 10-15% of the entire budget of the school. Most of the time spent by presidents is on the entire school budget. 50%+ of their time is spent literally moving around beans to see whether they can plug holes here and there, and whether they're causing bigger leaks elsewhere.

I've actually talked to a few of these guys about sports. I've been in Pres. suites where the Pres. (often from a foreign country who can barely understand the sport he's watching, and who thinks Americans are loony over college sports anyway) is simply deferring to the trustees and alumni. He makes $1m in salary. Don't rock the boat. Regarding sports, he is not making any strategy that benefits the long term health of the university and the welfare of students.

An administrator I know, who is now at the highest levels of a B1G school (no, not Penn State) once proposed a very smart plan for his school's athletic department, but it risked too much for the politicos and the Athletic Director (whose #1 goal was to keep his resume spotless for future promotions to bigger/better schools). I had talked about the administrator's (a Provost) recommendations at dinner weeks prior to that, and boy I tell you he will never get involved with sports ever again. His plan was received, and then people did an end around that chopped off his balls.

This is true especially down south where the coaches and ADs will run to the trustees, pols and boards behind the Presidents back. Down there, you will be fired for anything that can be perceived as inconveniencing sports. Remember Elsa Benitez at Texas A&M. Fired when the AD reported a surprise enormous deficit which she wasn't willing to totally subsidize.

So don't tell me Presidents make a considered analysis to lose money in athletics. They don't. The only thing they consider is how to keep making $1m in salary without permanently damaging the university, and when you hear about a President pulling a Benitez, make no mistake, something is going very, very, very wrong.

One of the primary rules of understanding business organizations of any type is to avoid asking what is in the best interests of the organization, and focus instead on what is in the best interests of the decision makers.
 
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You know we're in a league with 9 catholic schools, right?
Yes. That's why we should assume that decisions that will be made that effect the entire conference will be made based on what is best for smaller catholic schools as opposed to state flagship universities. There is nothing wrong or untoward with that -- it's what we signed on for because we didn't have better options.
 
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I honestly think it's Connecticut they don't like. Look how we treat the rights of woman compared to the B12 states. Laugh, but the thinking behind that Pace commercial is real.
They think CT is one of the ivory tower lib states who keeps losing population to the South and a lot of CT people think they're mouthbreathers who hate women. Sure, there's some of that but I highly doubt that's what's driving it.

Small time thinking that football is all that matters and that past performance is indicative of future performance is what's driving this.
 

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I mean we had Mora telling kids we'd be in the Big XII and the only leaks from our side have been "positive energy and hopefulness"

Yormark and some presidents visited campus. There's been a ton of news out there that Yormark wants us and if it weren't for those darn school presidents wed be the pick.

And it seems now that all of that was posturing.
I'm not sure it was all posturing. You need to realize that these decisions aren't made in a vacuum and I really don't think anyone, anywhere was anticipating the bonehead performance Kliavkoff enacted in negotiating the P-12's media deal.

He spent months publicly stating that they were close to completion and the dollars would exceed the B-12 but never actually present anything to the conference's member schools. It reached the point where the conference basically demanded that he show them what he has and they found out it was 2/3 of the B-12's deal with no linear programming. That deal was likely available for months yet he was afraid to present it (until he could no longer delay) as he knew it was inadequate

He could not have played this any worse if his intent was to blow up the P-12.

This (the precarious situation the P-12 is in) is the monkey wrench in the works that nobody anticipated.
 
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We picked the worst time to have a horrible football program right before Mora. If we had a great football team, it would have made Yormark's job easier.

Regardless, UConn brings far more value and potential to the B12 vs. Utah. It would be crazy for the B12 to take Utah over us right now.

I hope BYU is working overtime right now to block Utah. There is no reason BYU would want Utah in the same conference. Let's hope our Mormon friends can come through.
Only New England people stab our other residents in the back. They are gonna help them.
 
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Not to be a downer but at this point, I just don’t see a scenario where Utah doesn’t accept a Big XII invite. The BIG10 is prioritizing O/W and then Cal/Stanford which means U is 5th on their list. The SEC clearly makes no sense for them. So with the PAC falling apart why wouldn’t they go BIG XII? They’re close to their geographic heart, are similar to many of the other schools, and they already have a built in in-state rival. They’d continue to be a national contender in football and would have huge games against Arizona, BYU, and Colorado, Baylor, and TCU every year.
im surprised the sec isnt pushing their face into the az/asu possibility
 

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