Key tweets, and it's all gone to Hell.

[jostar1]

It is looking more and more likely that we are being used as bait to get the PAC-12 schools to move or make a decision. This sucks the B12 presidents and ADs don't see our value. Our bad football last 10 years really did us in unfortunately.

It's not over until the fat lady sings.

 

[WestCoastHusky]

It's not over until the fat lady sings.

Maybe so, but these B12 presidents and ADs are getting pretty arrogant just because Colorado left. Now they think they can get Oregon, Washington, and anyone else in the PAC-12. At this point, I just have to hope PAC-9 can somehow hold it together even though it might be a miracle at this point. If the Arizona schools left, we can kiss goodbye to the PAC-12 just like the old Big East.

 

[tzznandrew]

It is looking more and more likely that we are being used as bait to get the PAC-12 schools to move or make a decision. This sucks the B12 presidents and ADs don't see our value. Our bad football last 10 years really did us in unfortunately.

Our solid to good football in 2011 and 2012. Starting to think it's something else...

 

[Johnjp0628]

UConn does have an event tonight at the Rent to meet the coach’s maybe some inside info will be released there?

 

[Dizzy21]

 

[huskymedic]

Haven’t seen one named Big 12 source in any of these articles Just a bunch of anonymous people throwing feces @ the wall and praying.

FIFY

 

[JMick]

. Starting to think it's something else...

There's definitely an odd perception issue going on. Considering it seems to happen with every conference, and the only constants are the TV executives, it does make one wonder where that perception comes from...

 

[CTBballfan243]

We (UConn) were definitely in the race. UConn's name has been out there, and there is no such thing as bad publicity.

 

[Bongo Fury]

The runner up king

 

[upstater]

I think Forde has it right. I worked with Richard Johnson at ESPN closely for a spell, and he is a good, trained reporter.

Maybe but the speculation about St Johns and Gonzaga makes it very very hard to take seriously.

 

[GG]

Maybe but the speculation about St Johns and Gonzaga makes it very very hard to take seriously.

The idea of bball only adds, including SJU and Nova, was floated on Twitter months ago, I believe as early as February. Most recently, Greg Flugar discussed it (SJU, UCONN & Zags) during one of his live shows. He also indicated that you can would not necessarily be a basketball only add. No idea if there’s any truth to it, but it’s definitely been out there for a while.

 

[king conn]

Imagine if it was St. Johns Yormark was talking about when he kept referencing NY

 

[upstater]

Here's what I don't get. The Pac12 had the better brands. Arizona, Oregon, Washington, Stanford, Utah, Colorado, Cal-Berkeley. Over TCU, Baylor, Texas Tech, Iowa St, Kansas, Kansas St, Oklahoma St.

Yet they got peanuts from the TV networks.

Do the B12 presidents not realize that the reason they are even in this position is because the networks decided they don't want to pay for the Pac12?

This is why I'm highly pessimistic. Who is going to bankroll the addition of 4 Pac12 schools when they didn't want to pay for 10 schools that included to 3 biggest prizes? (Oregon, Arizona, Washington).

It's got to mean that they are really truly staying at 14.

 

[brasssbonanzaa]

Here's what I don't get. The Pac12 had the better brands. Arizona, Oregon, Washington, Stanford, Utah, Colorado, Cal-Berkeley. Over TCU, Baylor, Texas Tech, Iowa St, Kansas, Kansas St, Oklahoma St.

Yet they got peanuts from the TV networks.

Do the B12 presidents not realize that the reason they are even in this position is because the networks decided they don't want to pay for the Pac12?

This is why I'm highly pessimistic. Who is going to bankroll the addition of 4 Pac12 schools when they didn't want to pay for 10 schools that included to 3 biggest prizes? (Oregon, Arizona, Washington).

It's got to mean that they are really truly staying at 14.

west coast. no one's up when those teams play.

 

[Exit 4]

Here's what I don't get. The Pac12 had the better brands. Arizona, Oregon, Washington, Stanford, Utah, Colorado, Cal-Berkeley. Over TCU, Baylor, Texas Tech, Iowa St, Kansas, Kansas St, Oklahoma St.

Yet they got peanuts from the TV networks.

Do the B12 presidents not realize that the reason they are even in this position is because the networks decided they don't want to pay for the Pac12?

This is why I'm highly pessimistic. Who is going to bankroll the addition of 4 Pac12 schools when they didn't want to pay for 10 schools that included to 3 biggest prizes? (Oregon, Arizona, Washington).

It's got to mean that they are really truly staying at 14.

In an effort to bring us to a P4 world, I think the media power brokers decided they were going to work with whichever of the B12 or P12 demonstrated vision and cooperation. Whichever was more serious and easier to work with would be the winner of the two. Thing is, the P12 admins never realized they were in a competition while the B12 seized the opportunity.

 

[jostar1]

Here's what I don't get. The Pac12 had the better brands. Arizona, Oregon, Washington, Stanford, Utah, Colorado, Cal-Berkeley. Over TCU, Baylor, Texas Tech, Iowa St, Kansas, Kansas St, Oklahoma St.

Yet they got peanuts from the TV networks.

Do the B12 presidents not realize that the reason they are even in this position is because the networks decided they don't want to pay for the Pac12?

This is why I'm highly pessimistic. Who is going to bankroll the addition of 4 Pac12 schools when they didn't want to pay for 10 schools that included to 3 biggest prizes? (Oregon, Arizona, Washington).

It's got to mean that they are really truly staying at 14.

I saw this posted on CSNBBS:


With OU and Texas leaving early. It allows for 2 schools to be added in 2024 without impacting the payouts of the Remaining 8.

Remember the Pro-Rata doesn't go into effect till 2025.

So if the 4C are added for 2024, then there becomes an issue.

Maybe the Big 12 should stagger the 4C additions:
2024: Add Colorado + 1 (to replace Texas and OU Shares)
2025: Add 2 with Pro-Rata Clause

This explains why Heather Dinich reported 14 as the magic number for now.

 

[UConnSportsGuy]

. Who is going to bankroll the addition of 4 Pac12 schools when they didn't want to pay for 10 schools that included to 3 biggest prizes? (Oregon, Arizona, Washington).

It's got to mean that they are really truly staying at 14.

Isn't it in the B12 contract with ESPN and Fox that they will automatically pay the increased rate per school of the current contract for any current Power 5 conference schools that are added? I thought I had seen that reported, but not 100% sure.

 

[Exit 4]

I saw this posted on CSNBBS:


With OU and Texas leaving early. It allows for 2 schools to be added in 2024 without impacting the payouts of the Remaining 8.

Remember the Pro-Rata doesn't go into effect till 2025.

So if the 4C are added for 2024, then there becomes an issue.

Maybe the Big 12 should stagger the 4C additions:
2024: Add Colorado + 1 (to replace Texas and OU Shares)
2025: Add 2 with Pro-Rata Clause

This explains why Heather Dinich reported 14 as the magic number for now.

I would think that is easily addressed by denying the new entrants any of the spoils of the old divorce. In other words, they can condition the offer around this and many other comp/sharing issues as well.

 

[Dizzy21]

Isn't it in the B12 contract with ESPN and Fox that they will automatically pay the increased rate per school of the current contract for any current Power 5 conference schools that are added? I thought I had seen that reported, but not 100% sure.

Only ESPN agreed to that. In addition, it has been reported that it is only for 4 more schools total and ESPN would prefer it to be 2 now.

 

[jostar1]

Isn't it in the B12 contract with ESPN and Fox that they will automatically pay the increased rate per school of the current contract for any current Power 5 conference schools that are added? I thought I had seen that reported, but not 100% sure.

See my earlier post. Apparently the Pro-Rata doesn't go into effect till 2025. That's in the media deal that Yormark negotiated.

 

[WestCoastHusky]

B12 only has a small window to poach PAC-12 teams before the PAC can land a deal and get their own GOR. Right now PAC can leave without any exit fees next year. There is a small window, which is why the B12 is working on overdrive right now.

It is just upsetting they left us hanging.

 

[upstater]

Isn't it in the B12 contract with ESPN and Fox that they will automatically pay the increased rate per school of the current contract for any current Power 5 conference schools that are added? I thought I had seen that reported, but not 100% sure.

Yes, but things change.

I'm saying that there's no logic here. If the better brand Pac12 schools are worth so little, why is the Big12 hot on the trail of lesser Pac12s?

It makes no sense. The TV partners aren't going to be happy.

If anything, the Pac12s troubles should be a lesson to everyone that when it comes to TV partners, things change. Your next contract might be a big disappointment.

 

[ec33]

Yes, but things change.

I'm saying that there's no logic here. If the better brand Pac12 schools are worth so little, why is the Big12 hot on the trail of lesser Pac12s?

It makes no sense. The TV partners aren't going to be happy.

If anything, the Pac12s troubles should be a lesson to everyone that when it comes to TV partners, things change. Your next contract might be a big disappointment.

Because the "lesser" brands bring in the Arizona and Colorado markets?

We aren't talking clearly made up schools like the Oregon State Beavers (pushing to incredulity with the "mascot").

 

[huskypantz]

The runner up king

Except in National Championship games.

 

[tzznandrew]

west coast. no one's up when those teams play.

Right. Those brands are only great when people can see them, which means they need to be in competition with teams from the three other time zones, ideally east coast ones.