Key tweets, and it's all gone to Hell.

[upstater]

Yeah again, the way you're presenting it sounds as if there's some unstated rule that makes it the phasing of distributions a certainty, there isn't.

Again, additions to the big 10 are buying a share of the Big Ten network and do that via taking reduced distributions so that a portion of the distribution can be applied to their buy-in. On top of that, Rutgers took a loan from the Big Ten to pay for its exit fee and transitioning costs. The loan was repaid via a reduction of Big Ten distributions to Rutgers. I believe those have finally been completed in Rutgers now receives a full share.

Cincinnati, Houston, UCF and BYU to the big 12 is a unique situation whereby their media partners declined to pay for those additions. The other teams in the conference took a reduced share to pay for the addition of those four teams during the two-year period prior to the next contract being in place in 2025. Once the new contract begins those for schools will receive a full share.

The big 12 media partners have already said that Connecticut as an addition would be worthy of a pro rata share, or said differently, they will treat Connecticut as if we were a P5 addition. That is an entirely different situation than one described above.

So, no there is no imaginary rule that says it must happen. It might happen, but there would have to be a reason for it, just as there were in each of the other times you mentioned.

I don't know how else to say it when I already said it isn't a rule, but you keep on saying I'm saying it is a rule. This then becomes a really weird discussion.

I think I already made my point about the conference networks and the delayed full share. Penn State got a delayed full share decades before the network even existed. In BCs case, they got a delayed share 16 years before the ACCN came into being. So the regular or normal occurrence of these delayed shares happened long before the advent of conference TV networks.

 

[upstater]

Taking reduced shares made sense when growth looked exponential.

Now that is looks like there isn't any growth with these TV contracts, taking an initial hit makes much less sense than it did in the past. Especially if the conference is getting paid the full amount for your addition.

The B12 is going to have $50m payouts. Let's say UConn takes $25m and then $35m for the 1st 2 years. Then $350m over the next 7 years of the contract. That's $410m.

As opposed to the maybe $70m they'd make in the BE.

That's a difference of $340m. That does make sense.

 

[Da_Aisijimo_Gou]

The B12 …..…. That's a difference of $340m. That does make sense.

Fiduciary responsibilities matter

 

[WestCoastHusky]

Fiduciary responsibilities matter

The B12 is going to have $50m payouts. Let's say UConn takes $25m and then $35m for the 1st 2 years. Then $350m over the next 7 years of the contract. That's $410m.

As opposed to the maybe $70m they'd make in the BE.

That's a difference of $340m. That does make sense.

We definitely should not take any reduced rates. We might offer to play some home games at the Yankee stadium or Foxboro against B12 teams, but we should not take any reduced rates. This will help the B12 with exposure, and also help build UCONN brand in those areas.

 

[NowInStorrs]

Perception is a stupid fickle thing. We started football in a power conference. The other schools (except USF) around us have gone to other power conferences. We got left behind and suddenly we're not considered a power conference school, even though we already have been and we did quite well in a power conference. Our struggles have come when we were in weaker conferences. Nobody seems to care though. We've been slapped with the non-p5 label for some reason even though our AD is clearly p5 level. Hopefully none of that will matter shortly but it's really annoying and honestly a very lazy way of viewing things by the media.

 

[Patman]

We definitely should not take any reduced rates. We might offer to play some home games at the Yankee stadium or Foxboro against B12 teams, but we should not take any reduced rates. This will help the B12 with exposure, and also help build UCONN brand in those areas.

I've never understood pro-rata as if its the conference's money and not the TV people's money. Maybe it is the conferences money? There's some disconnect there. Maybe the conference gets the difference? I'm a little confused by the idea that the conference makes the call to downrate UConn's financial worth. I can see where a conference would want to inflict that on somebody you don't trust but if you don't trust them you don't ever trust them. Unless the remainder goes the conference and thus the other schools I don't get it.

 

[Skies2018]

So we’re all in agreement that we’re going to get shafted again, right?

 

[Huskyforlife]

Wonder If the B12 presidents trust Yormark enough to do something out of their comfort zone. He might be our hero if this goes through.

 

[upstater]

I've never understood pro-rata as if its the conference's money and not the TV people's money. Maybe it is the conferences money? There's some disconnect there. Maybe the conference gets the difference? I'm a little confused by the idea that the conference makes the call to downrate UConn's financial worth. I can see where a conference would want to inflict that on somebody you don't trust but if you don't trust them you don't ever trust them. Unless the remainder goes the conference and thus the other schools I don't get it.

Think of it as a buy-in. The conference members built the conference into what it is. Just as pro leagues take franchise fees.

Heck, UConn did this to members who wanted to join the BE.

UConn personally profited from TCU joining the BE without ever playing. TCU gave the BE $5m for that whole thing, and UConn got its cut.

 

[BullDawg]

I think Yormark can succeed with B12 presidents. All they have to do is look over to the PAC12 to see what happens to a conference that doesn’t have a vision for future.

 

[jostar1]

So we’re all in agreement that we’re going to get shafted again, right?

 

[huskypantz]

UConn would be the only school in the NCAA so far that agrees to a permanent reduced rate. The only one. It would put them behind their conference brethren in terms of support.

Now, this might be a model for the future, but it's a horrible situation to put yourself there before any other school, to say the least

I can see entire conferences agreeing to differentials, but not just one school.

B12 - “UConn, you’re not investing enough resources in football so we’re going to give you less money (resources) than all of our other members but also you guys need to catch up.

That makes perfect sense.

 

[Figurehead]

Lol. The Big 12 is not taking Oregon State.

Exactly, Nice rumor started by an Oregon State website out here. There are about 11th on the pac-12 pecking order ahead of Washington State. Breathe easy people.

 

[noeynox]

Frank the Tank in the house

 

[uconnbaseball]

Now we need the pac-12 to bring in oodles of dollars or fall apart so hard that we join with 2 other p12 schools as Oregon etc are poached by the Big 10.

Lucy has set the football. Kick her head off, Charlie.

 

[TRest]

Frank the Tank in the house

Let the record show that I have always liked Frank when others here were dogging him.

 

[CL82]

I don't know how else to say it when I already said it isn't a rule, but you keep on saying I'm saying it is a rule. This then becomes a really weird discussion.

I think I already made my point about the conference networks and the delayed full share. Penn State got a delayed full share decades before the network even existed. In BCs case, they got a delayed share 16 years before the ACCN came into being. So the regular or normal occurrence of these delayed shares happened long before the advent of conference TV networks.

So wherever in my post you see the word "rule" in my post feel free to read it as "establish practiced or normal occurrence."

Hope that helped.

 

[CL82]

Let the record show that I have always liked Frank when others here were dogging him.

 

[huskidork]

I personally would take a reduced rate, we'd likely be making 4x what we do in the Big East, and we basically make nothing on football with our CBS sports deal, the resources we could pump into every sport immediately with that type of money basketball already owns the Big 12 making significantly less, and it's not like it's a permanent thing never is, if that's what it takes to join the conference I'm down.

 

[JeepCSC]

B12 - “UConn, you’re not investing enough resources in football so we’re going to give you less money (resources) than all of our other members but also you guys need to catch up.

That makes perfect sense.

You forgot the part where the B12 say to themselves (“here’s extra money since we are lowballing UConn, spend it wisely. [chuckling] Lol, kidding, we’re going to Vegas for our next president meeting”).

 

[jostar1]

Frank the Tank in the house

Every story ends with "...if the other Four Corners schools don't join".

 

[UCFBfan]

So we’re all in agreement that we’re going to get shafted again, right?

Rule number 1 baby!!

 

[Rico444]

I personally would take a reduced rate, we'd likely be making 4x what we do in the Big East, and we basically make nothing on football with our CBS sports deal, the resources we could pump into every sport immediately with that type of money basketball already owns the Big 12 making significantly less, and it's not like it's a permanent thing never is, if that's what it takes to join the conference I'm down.

It depends how reduced, and for how long. You have to factor in that we would be immediately forfeiting our NCAA shares to the Big East and would owe them a fee for leaving. Add in the extra travel costs and all of a sudden it might not be all that much extra money.

It would probably still be worth it, but if it only ends up being ~$5 million more per year and puts us in a league that everyone knows isn't a great cultural fit, it's something to think about long and hard if it's worth it.

 

[tzznandrew]

Frank the Tank in the house

They want Utah? When they have BYU? Are we serious here?

It's Arizona/Arizona State. And they may come as a package (which would actually be reasonable—double the people).

Mind you, Utah has fewer people living in it than CT...

 

[UConn Dan]

They want Utah? When they have BYU? Are we serious here?

It's Arizona/Arizona State. And they may come as a package (which would actually be reasonable—double the people).

Mind you, Utah has fewer people living in it than CT...

I really don’t see how Utah is more valuable than Connecticut? It’s a head scratcher to me.

 

[ec33]

I really don’t see how Utah is more valuable than Connecticut? It’s a head scratcher to me.

You don't know how a top 10 Utah football team is more valuable than a top 100 (in a good year) UConn football team?

 

[metsfan2323]

I really don’t see how Utah is more valuable than Connecticut? It’s a head scratcher to me.

Many if not most of the southern/midwest fans only care about football. If the PAC implodes we desperately need Yormark to save us a seat at the table. He's our Obi Wan Kenobi AKA our only hope.

 

[HuskyHawk]

I really don’t see how Utah is more valuable than Connecticut? It’s a head scratcher to me.

Because it's probably the 3rd best football program in the PAC as it is right now. Maybe 2nd. Utah consistently wins. Basketball used to be good too. Do people not remember Rick Majerus?

That said, I don't think they'd move. They have a good opportunity to get Utah State into the PAC.

 

[Drew]

 

[tzznandrew]

Because it's probably the 3rd best football program in the PAC as it is right now. Maybe 2nd. Utah consistently wins. Basketball used to be good too. Do people not remember Rick Majerus?

That said, I don't think they'd move. They have a good opportunity to get Utah State into the PAC.

Utah was good at basketball in the 1990s. Cool.

I know they have a good football program. While everyone says "football drives the bus," it's obviously more complicated than this. Rutgers and Maryland, for instance, are not football powerhouses. Good markets with fanbases is first and foremost. Football matters more than other sports, but I don't understand why a conference would doubledown on a state with a small population.