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Cuse Socks said:
I always thought KO would be a better fit at the NBA level. Player development was his biggest area of weakness. Not sure if the Pistons are the best fit because they are so young, he'd be a perfect fit as a Mavericks, Grizzlies or Cavs coach, some team with alpha lead guards, but just because college didn't work out doesn't mean the NBA won't.
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Actually, with Cade and another high draft pick coming in this year (maybe Scoot?), and Jaden Ivey, the Pistons might be a great fit for the way KO coaches.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
So Hurley passed on an ACC job at Pitt to coach in the American? Sure. I also suspect that telling prospective coaches that UConn was leaving the league before UConn provided notice is a breach of our AAC agreement and could result in a clawback of revenue by the AAC. Every school claims they were loyal members right up to the moment they aren’t. The use of absolute terms is the wiggle room Hurley needs to be telling the truth without telling the whole truth about that situation.
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I have nothing else to go by except what Hurley has been saying for the last few years (that recent interview wasn't the first time he has said that). But if you want to speculate to make your point then go ahead.
 
Deepster said:
Why do you feel he's a better fit coaching the pros?
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Because coaching at the NBA level is moreso about managing egos, roles and relationships with players than college is- which is mostly X’s and O’s, player development, recruiting, etc. I don’t think he was particular good at those 3 things at the college level… on top of some personal things that probably distracted him from the job. I think he was actually pretty good at player relationships before he had his own personal issues that he’s now probably grown from. And I’m not saying Xs and Os don’t matter in the NBA, they just matter a lot less. It’s about having the best talent in the NBA.

All to say, coaches matter a heck of a lot less in the NBA than the college level.

And on top of that, Ollie has the unique experience of being a well-respected player leader in the NBA for over 10 years. He just has vastly more respect and experience around the NBA and his teammates there than college. His respect from high profile NBA players has been well-documented.
 
WhereistheDove? said:
History is littered with plenty of coaches that had great resumes, got a shot, failed (either immediately or eventually), and then didn’t get another shot. Regardless of what someone thinks of Ollie, it’s a pretty unambiguous fact that his downfall as a successful coach was of his own doing. Maybe he gets a shot as an assistant to try to rehab his reputation as a coach, but an NBA owner/GM would have to be a lunatic to take a risk on him as a HC.
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Kevin Durant, Allen Iverson, Larry Brown, etc disagree. So do all the families of top tier athletes that sent their kids to play for OTE instead of college.
 
UConn990411 said:
Then you have to wonder why he hasn’t gotten any real consideration in the past five years. Forget college hoops - this is the first mild buzz he’s gotten for an NBA job since he and UConn parted ways.

NBA teams are privy to more inside information than we are, so there must be a reason that someone with his resume hasn’t been a serious coaching candidate.
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He's been running OTE.
 
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RayIsTheGOAT said:
Because coaching at the NBA level is moreso about managing egos, roles and relationships with players than college is- which is mostly X’s and O’s, player development, recruiting, etc. I don’t think he was particular good at those 3 things at the college level… on top of some personal things that probably distracted him from the job. I think he was actually pretty good at player relationships before he had his own personal issues that he’s now probably grown from. And I’m not saying Xs and Os don’t matter in the NBA, they just matter a lot less. It’s about having the best talent in the NBA.

All to say, coaches matter a heck of a lot less in the NBA than the college level.

And on top of that, Ollie has the unique experience of being a well-respected player leader in the NBA for over 10 years. He just has vastly more respect and experience around the NBA and his teammates there than college. His respect from high profile NBA players has been well-documented.
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So he'd be a better NBA coach because...

1) He stinks at X's and O's
2) He can't recruit and now doesn't need to
3) He doesn't develop players...and doesn't need to fortunately in the NBA.
4) He was pretty good at player relationships...until his personal life fell apart.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
American fanboys like you baffle me. The American essentially destroyed our athletic department and you defend it.

Dan Hurley would NEVER have come to UConn if it wasn’t joining the Big East. We would have someone like Stan Heath coaching in Storrs and be celebrating top 200 recruits if we were still in that hell hole.
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Don't blame the America for something the program did.

Hurley said he came not knowing if we would get into the BE or not.

At some reality has to come into this.
 
UofCT said:
Kevin Durant, Allen Iverson, Larry Brown, etc disagree. So do all the families of top tier athletes that sent their kids to play for OTE instead of college.
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Not sure what that has to do with him being a good decision right now as an NBA head coach. I’m not even saying he wouldn’t be a good NBA HC. I’m saying that given his history, it would be insane from a risk/reward standpoint to hand him the reins to n NBA franchise right now. That feels like it wouldn’t be a particularly contentious view even to supporters.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
American fanboys like you baffle me. The American essentially destroyed our athletic department and you defend it.

Dan Hurley would NEVER have come to UConn if it wasn’t joining the Big East. We would have someone like Stan Heath coaching in Storrs and be celebrating top 200 recruits if we were still in that hell hole.
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You’re so wrong about me it’s laughable. I’m not defending the AAC but I’m not protecting Ollie’s lax recruiting effort by blaming the league. My point was that it’s possible to recruit from the AAC and Houston is the proof.
 
Palatine said:
Don't blame the America for something the program did.

Hurley said he came not knowing if we would get into the BE or not.
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It seems no matter how many times we tell him that he's still not going to believe it.
 
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If Ollie was good enough to be an NBA coach, he'd be in the NBA coaching. Kelvin Sampson got show caused and went right to the NBA for 7 years as an assistant before going to Houston in 2014. Sampson, btw, has Houston as a consistent top 10 team from the AAC (gasp!).
 
Deepster said:
So he'd be a better NBA coach because...

1) He stinks at X's and O's
2) He can't recruit and now doesn't need to
3) He doesn't develop players...and doesn't need to fortunately in the NBA.
4) He was pretty good at player relationships...until his personal life fell apart.
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I’m so tired of the 4 brain celled strawman responses on this board.

The argument was that he was better suited for the NBA than the college game, because his strengths are more aligned with the NBA.

I never said that you don’t need any of those things in the NBA or that he would even be a good NBA coach. I’m just arguing he’s a better fit there than college.
 
WhereistheDove? said:
Not sure what that has to do with him being a good decision right now as an NBA head coach. I’m not even saying he wouldn’t be a good NBA HC. I’m saying that given his history, it would be insane from a risk/reward standpoint to hand him the reins to n NBA franchise right now. That feels like it wouldn’t be a particularly contentious view even to supporters.
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Who in your opinion would be a good decision to coach in the NBA right now?

There is no perfect formula so anyone you mention I could probably find multiple examples of people in similar situations that have failed.
 
RayIsTheGOAT said:
I’m so tired of the 4 brain celled strawman responses on this board.

The argument was that he was better suited for the NBA than the college game, because his strengths are more aligned with the NBA.

I never said that you don’t need any of those things in the NBA or that he would even be a good NBA coach. I’m just arguing he’s a better fit there than college.
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You can say my reply is a strawman and I can certainly say your position on him being a better fit in the pros is hogwash.

To be honest, he hasn't proven a single thing in a long time now that he's competent coaching in either situation.
 
UofCT said:
Who in your opinion would be a good decision to coach in the NBA right now?

There is no perfect formula so anyone you mention I could probably find multiple examples of people in similar situations that have failed.
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I agree, there is no perfect formula but I just can't imagine an owner/GM saying I want the guy who has never been an NBA HC and whose last real coaching role ended because he just stopped doing his job. It's nonsensical to me, regardless of what anyone thinks of the UConn-Ollie drama and who is in the wrong there.
 
WhereistheDove? said:
I agree, there is no perfect formula but I just can't imagine an owner/GM saying I want the guy who has never been an NBA HC and whose last real coaching role ended because he just stopped doing his job. It's nonsensical to me, regardless of what anyone thinks of the UConn-Ollie drama and who is in the wrong there.
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This thread is worse than some of the realignmen stuff. One guy tweets “hey, they on a take a look at Ollie” and we are on page 4 of discussing the merits of it.
 
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Deepster said:
Why do you feel he's a better fit coaching the pros?
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People say this because he was lazy and they think lazy passes in the NBA. It doesn’t. You don’t have to recruit, but you do have to reallocate the time to something other than a barstool.
 
Many Ollie homers kept saying that oh, just ask Kevin Durant, Ray Allen etc. A new flash: that was when he was constantly bouncing around the league and lived on a 10 day contact. It’s the only way and meal ticket he could survive, to make friends with everyone and be a nice guy. Once he’s got a coaching job which was spoon fed to him with millions and got into his head that he is bigger than he actually was, his true colors showed out:

the guy has zero loyalty to be spoken of, here are the facts:

Loyalty to his wife and family - No
Loyalty to his coach and mentor and father figure - No
Loyalty to the university that he attended and got the degree from - No
Loyalty to his players - No

The guy is narcissistic and egotistical, character wise. And on top of that, he is a bum and did not want to work.

Now tell me who wants him for a price tag in millions?

I have to agree with Fishy, cannot stop laughing…
 
WhereistheDove? said:
I agree, there is no perfect formula but I just can't imagine an owner/GM saying I want the guy who has never been an NBA HC and whose last real coaching role ended because he just stopped doing his job. It's nonsensical to me, regardless of what anyone thinks of the UConn-Ollie drama and who is in the wrong there.
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Every NBA head coach at one point has never been an NBA head coach.
 
MDHuskFan said:
Recruiting success isn’t just Rivals/247Rankings.

It’s also roster construction, talent identification, etc.

Ollie may be a good NBA coach (prob better than his ending here) but I think he’d be better with a veteran team vs development of a young group
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Nobody got any better under Ollie. Hurley turned the Wrench into a pro.
 
UofCT said:
Every NBA head coach at one point has never been an NBA head coach.
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If that's what you took away as the key point from my post, you're just having a conversation with yourself.
 
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HailUConn said:
Many Ollie homers kept saying that oh, just ask Kevin Durant, Ray Allen etc. A new flash: that was when he was constantly bouncing around the league and lived on a 10 day contact. It’s the only way and meal ticket he could survive, to make friends with everyone and be a nice guy. Once he’s got a coaching job which was spoon fed to him with millions and got into his head that he is bigger than he actually was, his true colors showed out:

the guy has zero loyalty to be spoken of, here are the facts:

Loyalty to his wife and family - No
Loyalty to his coach and mentor and father figure - No
Loyalty to the university that he attended and got the degree from - No
Loyalty to his players - No

The guy is narcissistic and egotistical, character wise. And on top of that, he is a bum and did not want to work.

Now tell me who wants him for a price tag in millions?

I have to agree with Fishy, cannot stop laughing…
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Tell me again who's overly emotional about this?
 
HailUConn said:
Many Ollie homers kept saying that oh, just ask Kevin Durant, Ray Allen etc. A new flash: that was when he was constantly bouncing around the league and lived on a 10 day contact. It’s the only way and meal ticket he could survive, to make friends with everyone and be a nice guy. Once he’s got a coaching job which was spoon fed to him with millions and got into his head that he is bigger than he actually was, his true colors showed out:

the guy has zero loyalty to be spoken of, here are the facts:

Loyalty to his wife and family - No
Loyalty to his coach and mentor and father figure - No
Loyalty to the university that he attended and got the degree from - No
Loyalty to his players - No

The guy is narcissistic and egotistical, character wise. And on top of that, he is a bum and did not want to work.

Now tell me who wants him for a price tag in millions?

I have to agree with Fishy, cannot stop laughing…
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There's the Ollie "homers" and then there's the extreme other end whack jobs that think they have all the answers LOL.
 
KO isn't that smart and he may not want to put in the effort to make up for his lack of smarts.

But, suppose you are an NBA GM and your goal is to throw the next few seasons, get early draft picks, and then move for excellence. You don't want to hire a really capable coach who might win and ruin your plan to stockpile lottery picks; you don't want to hire a capable coach and order him to throw games, which could get both of you in trouble. The best move is to hire a not-capable coach, let him do what comes naturally for a few years, then you have good grounds to fire him and hire the capable coach to turn the talent you've collected into success.

The coach you are looking for is a not-capable coach who is still a good mentor to young players and can teach them how to work hard and succeed in the NBA. Maybe Ollie can persuade them that he can be that.

Maybe Ollie to the Pistons is not as far-fetched as it seems on first glance.
 
pj said:
KO isn't that smart and he may not want to put in the effort to make up for his lack of smarts.

But, suppose you are an NBA GM and your goal is to throw the next few seasons, get early draft picks, and then move for excellence. You don't want to hire a really capable coach who might win and ruin your plan to stockpile lottery picks; you don't want to hire a capable coach and order him to throw games, which could get both of you in trouble. The best move is to hire a not-capable coach, let him do what comes naturally for a few years, then you have good grounds to fire him and hire the capable coach to turn the talent you've collected into success.

The coach you are looking for is a not-capable coach who is still a good mentor to young players and can teach them how to work hard and succeed in the NBA. Maybe Ollie can persuade them that he can be that.

Maybe Ollie to the Pistons is not as far-fetched as it seems on first glance.
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I guess if you are looking for a coach who isn’t very bright, isn’t very motivated and will not win enough games to prevent you from stocking up in the lottery, then I agree - Kevin Ollie might make sense.

He’s gonna sue you on the way out, though.
 
I’ve been a big critic of his but I think he would be a fine nba coach
 
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