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Kenpom vs Barttorvik

Which ranking system do you believe is more accurate

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Torvik basically reverse engineered KenPom and then improved upon it. They're pretty similar. Torvik has more features on his website, also.
 
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BoukofJames said:
Kenpom is more fun to say
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Haha. Not only that, but Torvik's all-in-one individual offensive stat (which I think is actually the best such stat for college basketball) is called PORPAGATU!

Which actually is fun to say, but work on your branding man. Bouknight is 25th in that for the record (and Kemba has the 2nd highest season "of all time" aka since 08).
 
Kangaroo Zay said:
Haslametrics is best
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He does the best job filtering garbage time, but I think the others do a better job of adjusting the raw efficiencies. That shows up most obviously with Colgate in his top 30.
alexd. said:
Damn!!! Click on the word "UConn" in their rankings and check out the detailed analysis. Just Wow!
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It's procedurally/AI generated from the stats, which is pretty neat.
 
auror said:
It's procedurally/AI generated from the stats, which is pretty neat.
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Was wondering this as I read it. Reads like a mad lib filled in by stats/trends of interest. Doesn't mention any players or in game actions.
 
It's interesting that ALL of the aforementioned statistical rankings have us unanimously higher than AP/Coaches poll rankings. We're underrated.
I am curious if anyone knows if these rankings account for Bouknight's injury in any way? If not, then we're VERY underrated.
 
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UChusky916 said:
It's interesting that ALL of the aforementioned statistical rankings have us unanimously higher than AP/Coaches poll rankings. We're underrated.
I am curious if anyone knows if these rankings account for Bouknight's injury in any way? If not, then we're VERY underrated.
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I don't believe any of them do.
 
UChusky916 said:
It's interesting that ALL of the aforementioned statistical rankings have us unanimously higher than AP/Coaches poll rankings. We're underrated.
I am curious if anyone knows if these rankings account for Bouknight's injury in any way? If not, then we're VERY underrated.
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You can play around on Torvik to view our resume without the missing Bouknight games. Posted the tweet from NoEscalators on here yesterday in one of the threads about our seed
 
UChusky916 said:
It's interesting that ALL of the aforementioned statistical rankings have us unanimously higher than AP/Coaches poll rankings. We're underrated.
I am curious if anyone knows if these rankings account for Bouknight's injury in any way? If not, then we're VERY underrated.
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I agree. Frustrating. I think the AP poll goes purely off of win & loss record basically
 
auror said:
Haha. Not only that, but Torvik's all-in-one individual offensive stat (which I think is actually the best such stat for college basketball) is called PORPAGATU!

Which actually is fun to say, but work on your branding man. Bouknight is 25th in that for the record (and Kemba has the 2nd highest season "of all time" aka since 08).
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does he have a similar all-in-one defensive stat called NOSFERATU. that would be pretty badass
 
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Whatever gives UConn a higher seed is better. No way UConn should be lower than a 7 seed and could go as high as a 4 seed.
 
I vote neither. I did an analysis of the all of the power ratings and the top twelve are below. Some of them are better at ranking the full resume and predicting MOV and some are better at predicting who will win close games. The ones that are better at predicting Ws and Ls also seem to emphasize recent performance. That isn't a surprise as teams evolve. While Pomeroy gives a lot of fun stats, their power rating really isn't among the best. For the record, the system that rated the overall highest was Logan. This could very well change in a "normal" year when there are more non-conference games.

B. Wilson Empirical
College Basketball Rating
INCC Stats
Lawler

Lawler's College Sports Computer Ranking

lawlersranking.blogspot.com lawlersranking.blogspot.com
Logan

Logan's Sports Ratings

loganssportsratings.blogspot.com loganssportsratings.blogspot.com
Massey

Massey Ratings - College Basketball : NCAA D1 Ratings

Computer ratings and rankings for CB (College Basketball), with links to team predictions, scores, and schedules.
www.masseyratings.com
PiRate
piratings.wordpress.com

The Pi-Rate Ratings

Unique Sports Ratings That Combine Computer and Human Factors
piratings.wordpress.com piratings.wordpress.com
Sagarin
www.usatoday.com

NCAAB Sagarin - NCAAB Basketball - USA TODAY

Current NCAAB Sagarin - NCAAB Basketball - USA TODAY
www.usatoday.com www.usatoday.com
Stat Fox

NCAA College Basketball Power Ratings

StatFox NCAA College Basketball Power Ratings
www.statfox.com
The Power Rank

College basketball predictions for 2019

thepowerrank.com thepowerrank.com
Whitlock
Wobus MOV
 
Haslametrics has us as #8 in the country, therefore making it the best, and most accurate, rating system.

As other mentioned, the auto-generated team summary was neat: Haslametrics: A unique approach to college basketball analysis

In all honesty, does anyone know more about that particular site? Is it predictive of tourney success at all?

@ScuderiaDiU, thanks for posting those. I took a quick look, and even among analytics sites we are anywhere from #9-30. We may lack enough signature wins due to injuries and COVID, but when you consider our ability to consistently beat decent teams by a comfortable margin and never lose by much to good teams when healthy, anywhere from #10-20 feels about right to me.
 
ScuderiaDiU said:
I vote neither. I did an analysis of the all of the power ratings and the top twelve are below. Some of them are better at ranking the full resume and predicting MOV and some are better at predicting who will win close games. The ones that are better at predicting Ws and Ls also seem to emphasize recent performance. That isn't a surprise as teams evolve. While Pomeroy gives a lot of fun stats, their power rating really isn't among the best. For the record, the system that rated the overall highest was Logan. This could very well change in a "normal" year when there are more non-conference games.

B. Wilson Empirical
College Basketball Rating
INCC Stats
Lawler

Lawler's College Sports Computer Ranking

lawlersranking.blogspot.com lawlersranking.blogspot.com
Logan

Logan's Sports Ratings

loganssportsratings.blogspot.com loganssportsratings.blogspot.com
Massey

Massey Ratings - College Basketball : NCAA D1 Ratings

Computer ratings and rankings for CB (College Basketball), with links to team predictions, scores, and schedules.
www.masseyratings.com
PiRate
piratings.wordpress.com

The Pi-Rate Ratings

Unique Sports Ratings That Combine Computer and Human Factors
piratings.wordpress.com piratings.wordpress.com
Sagarin
www.usatoday.com

NCAAB Sagarin - NCAAB Basketball - USA TODAY

Current NCAAB Sagarin - NCAAB Basketball - USA TODAY
www.usatoday.com www.usatoday.com
Stat Fox

NCAA College Basketball Power Ratings

StatFox NCAA College Basketball Power Ratings
www.statfox.com
The Power Rank

College basketball predictions for 2019

thepowerrank.com thepowerrank.com
Whitlock
Wobus MOV
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Great research. I like to submit multiple sheets in my office pool. For one of my bracket sheets, I like to use a sound ranking system and use “straight chalk” using that system. I submitted this thread trying to search out “the best overall ranking system”.
 
since so much of this 'ology' stuff seems gambling oriented, im wondering if someone has figgered out a way to have folks bet on which one did the best after the field is announced?
the post-selection 'who guessed best' show could be a tv ratings beast.
 
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I posted this in another thread too, but we seem to do very well if we’re doing well in KenPom

 
ClifSpliffy said:
since so much of this 'ology' stuff seems gambling oriented, im wondering if someone has figgered out a way to have folks bet on which one did the best after the field is announced?
the post-selection 'who guessed best' show could be a tv ratings beast.
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I agree. I haven't seen that yet.

As for the ratings, all are backward looking. Some are better at measuring pure strength of resume and are also good at predicting MOV. Others are better at predicting Ws and Ls. Typically, those also emphasize recent play and a team's trajectory. Massey has a huge ratings comparison page. The problem is that his "consensus" includes some crappy systems. I did my own analysis where I dropped the crappy ones and developed a better consensus. Then you can see which one really is the best of the best. For predicting Ws and Ls in the tournament, I suspect the ratings that are best at that should perform the best.
 
MTBingNinja said:
Great research. I like to submit multiple sheets in my office pool. For one of my bracket sheets, I like to use a sound ranking system and use “straight chalk” using that system. I submitted this thread trying to search out “the best overall ranking system”.
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I am dealing with side effects of a covid vaccination but I will try to update my analysis today. As of last week, I would have said to use Lawler for filling out the brackets. Second choice would be CBR. Third would be Logan.
 
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