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For any of you who may subscribe to KenPom, I have what hopefully is not a big ask.

I'd love to know how our title runs compare against other blue bloods. Specifically Duke, UNC, UK & KU.

I know our last 2 runs we've faced 5 Top 25 KenPom teams. In the last KU run they faced 2 T25 teams. In particular, I'd love to see KU's 2003 run.

So many times I hear how our title runs were lucky & we just got hot at the right time. Absurd given the gauntlet of teams/coaches we faced in 2014, the blue bloods we've beaten in the FF over the years, and the overall #1s we've beaten.

I plan to subscribe to KenPom when my wife gets a new job (she was laid off last month) but I'm limited at the moment. Thanks in advance!
 
2003 Kansas beat 3 top 15 kenpom teams and then lost to the 4th in the title.
 
2915 Duke beat 4 top 15, 3 top 10.
2017 UNC beat 4 top 25, 3 top 10, 2 top 5.
2009 UNC beat 4 top 13, 3 top 10.
2010 Duke beat 5 top 15, 2 top 8.
2012 UK beat 5 top 26. 2 top 10.
2008 Kansas beat 3 top 11, 3 easy games before that.
 
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auror said:
2915 Duke beat 4 top 15, 3 top 10.
2017 UNC beat 4 top 25, 3 top 10, 2 top 5.
2009 UNC beat 4 top 13, 3 top 10.
2010 Duke beat 5 top 15, 2 top 8.
2012 UK beat 5 top 26. 2 top 10.
2008 Kansas beat 3 top 11, 3 easy games before that.
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What’s ours break down to? Any top 10 or top 5?
 
auror said:
2915 Duke beat 4 top 15, 3 top 10.
2017 UNC beat 4 top 25, 3 top 10, 2 top 5.
2009 UNC beat 4 top 13, 3 top 10.
2010 Duke beat 5 top 15, 2 top 8.
2012 UK beat 5 top 26. 2 top 10.
2008 Kansas beat 3 top 11, 3 easy games before that.
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Thanks Auror!
 
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seeya27 said:
For any of you who may subscribe to KenPom, I have what hopefully is not a big ask.

I'd love to know how our title runs compare against other blue bloods. Specifically Duke, UNC, UK & KU.

I know our last 2 runs we've faced 5 Top 25 KenPom teams. In the last KU run they faced 2 T25 teams. In particular, I'd love to see KU's 2003 run.

So many times I hear how our title runs were lucky & we just got hot at the right time. Absurd given the gauntlet of teams/coaches we faced in 2014, the blue bloods we've beaten in the FF over the years, and the overall #1s we've beaten.

I plan to subscribe to KenPom when my wife gets a new job (she was laid off last month) but I'm limited at the moment. Thanks in advance!
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Let me guess, yet another Kansas fan on Twitter or Reddit is doing the daily Kansas fan melt down about UConn and you want to refute it.


Godspeed.
 
August_West said:
Let me guess, yet another Kansas fan on Twitter or Reddit is doing the daily Kansas fan melt down about UConn and you want to refute it.


Godspeed.
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Just want it in my back pocket. I just hate the narrative that we were somehow equal parts lucky and "got hot at the right moment." KU fans tend to be the worst, and the least fact-based. But, lots of fanbases have similar fans. Our fans are not necessarily any better at times. :confused:
 
seeya27 said:
KU fans tend to be the worst
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I run a UConn Twitter site & what I've found is that KU MBB & South Carolina WBB fans are the flat-out most disagreeable. And that's being overly diplomatic.

I have online friends, whom I can rationally DM with regularly, from nearly every other rival/team we play. ARK, FL, Liberty, NCS, Iowa, and all of the BE teams to name just a few. I can be a bit sarcastic...but never trash talk & civilly appear on opposing podcasts regularly.

But those 2 schools and their fanbases are just over-the-top irrational.
 
seeya27 said:
Just want it in my back pocket. I just hate the narrative that we were somehow equal parts lucky and "got hot at the right moment." KU fans tend to be the worst, and the least fact-based. But, lots of fanbases have similar fans. Our fans are not necessarily any better at times. :confused:
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You hate the narrative exactly why? Does the championship not count if you "get hot at the right moment?" If you played one or two close games along the way? (I thought part of winning championships is getting hot at the right moment and taking advantage of the breaks you get.) Why in the world do you need to win an argument over something that doesn't change the only important part of the matter being debated (which is that five times in the last 25 years we won a NCAA Championship)?
 
seeya27 said:
I just hate the narrative that we were somehow equal parts lucky and "got hot at the right moment."
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That is literally every single team that wins a national title. Sometimes you have a team thats just head and shoulders above the rest but even those teams dont beat all of the best teams in the tournament. I dont let all that talk bother me at all its just hate. We have the most national titles over the last 25 years that is the only argument you need. Its just amazing how Uconn gets so lucky so many times. I couldnt care less how anyone wants to twist it to make themselves feel better about their program going home while we put up another trophy. We just saw one of the most dominant runs of all time and we got number 5. Everything else is just noise and hate.
 
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seeya27 said:
For any of you who may subscribe to KenPom, I have what hopefully is not a big ask.

I'd love to know how our title runs compare against other blue bloods. Specifically Duke, UNC, UK & KU.

I know our last 2 runs we've faced 5 Top 25 KenPom teams. In the last KU run they faced 2 T25 teams. In particular, I'd love to see KU's 2003 run.

So many times I hear how our title runs were lucky & we just got hot at the right time. Absurd given the gauntlet of teams/coaches we faced in 2014, the blue bloods we've beaten in the FF over the years, and the overall #1s we've beaten.

I plan to subscribe to KenPom when my wife gets a new job (she was laid off last month) but I'm limited at the moment. Thanks in advance!
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I don't know if this is the kind of thing you were looking for, but I did a bunch of work compiling stats since the tournament expanded to 64 teams.
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Nerd Champions Seed Math

Based on the thread about total seeds beaten, I decided to do some extra math and analysis. First of all, using total seeds beaten to determine the hardest paths is worthless. A 1 or 2 seed accumulates more points just getting through the first weekend than the 8th seed 85 Nova team beat for the...
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drayenob said:
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I love the greyed out numbers in shown for UConn's KP in the most recent title run. Going from #4 and then after the Arkansas game jumping to #1 overall.

I think of the run in 3 groups based on the tourney site:

Albany - I feel they played a B/B+ game here. Slow starts in both games, but absolutely throttled competition in second half.

Vegas - A++++. Some of the best basketball we have witnessed in program history, looked like the same team from November and December. Dismantled two very good teams in ways that may end up in a Jon Bois video in 10 years from now.

Houston - B+/A-. Played comfortable to very good basketball through the first 3 halves against Miami and SDSU; got a little sloppy in the second half v. SDSU but credit the opponent for not giving up and muddying the waters in ways we saw the BE challenge this squad.
 
seeya27 said:
Just want it in my back pocket. I just hate the narrative that we were somehow equal parts lucky and "got hot at the right moment." KU fans tend to be the worst, and the least fact-based. But, lots of fanbases have similar fans. Our fans are not necessarily any better at times. :confused:
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The only thing you need in your back pocket is that we would have played Kansas in the tournament this past spring if they could have figured out how to beat Arkansas, who we made look like a JV squad.
 
upstater said:
2014 was the only lucky run of the 5.
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We were lucky because we had the best player in CBB, the best backcourt in CBB and our young guys, DeAndre and Neils, found their roles? I refuse to accept that, mostly because Bazz ran that tournament. The only reason UL had our number was that conference refs allowed them to physically abuse us. (Kind of like this season)

We weren’t lucky, we were built for the tourney. We didn’t even miss a free throw.
 
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FfldCntyFan said:
The only thing you need in your back pocket is that we would have played Kansas in the tournament this past spring if they could have figured out how to beat Arkansas, who we made look like a JV squad.
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Kansas wouldve gotten crushed. They didnt have the quality size to even be on the court with us. It wouldve gotten ugly. Wouldve been like the Arkansas game anyway or worse the Gonzaga game.
 
seeya27 said:
Seriously? That team beat #2-Nova (Wright); 3-ISU (Hoiberg); 4-MSU (Izzo); overall #1-FL (Donovan) and UK (Calapari).

The coaches, seeds and schools they beat were a friggin gauntlet.

Nothing easy or lucky about that run in the least.
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That was the toughest run we made, and we had THE best player in America. Somehow that’s luck. And he’s a UConn fan.
 
upstater said:
2014 was the only lucky run of the 5.
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That first win was lucky but that team went through the gauntlet, By that logic, 2011 was lucky because the Zona shot didn't drop. Or 1999 was lucky because we barely beat Gonzaga.
 
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Waquoit said:
It's college basketball. Having the best player in every game is huge. It's been a constant in all 5 titles.
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But that doesn't mean the best player wins it often. Before Sanogo the last one to do it was Jalen Brunson.

I think the margin was by far the smallest for the '14 team -- of all our champions. Granted, the '11 Arizona game was almost as close as the '14 St. Joe's game, but I thought the '11 team had more firepower. In '14, they were just tough and gritty in crucial stretches that easily could have gone against them.


'99, '04, '11, '23 I was just full of confidence that they could bounce back during rough stretches.

In '14, I almost cried seeing them come back after really rough periods against St Joes, Michigan St, Florida and Kentucky.
 
upstater said:
But that doesn't mean the best player wins it often. Before Sanogo the last one to do it was Jalen Brunson.

I think the margin was by far the smallest for the '14 team -- of all our champions. Granted, the '11 Arizona game was almost as close as the '14 St. Joe's game, but I thought the '11 team had more firepower. In '14, they were just tough and gritty in crucial stretches that easily could have gone against them.


'99, '04, '11, '23 I was just full of confidence that they could bounce back during rough stretches.

In '14, I almost cried seeing them come back after really rough periods against St Joes, Michigan St, Florida and Kentucky.
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None of that means they were lucky.

If you take out the Louisville thrashings that year they were pretty good. They played their peak ball in the tournament. Their peak was as good as anyone that year.

Florida dominated the entire country that year and we got em twice. MSU was the hot, chic favorite. UK was loaded with talent and peaking.

Not lucky.
 
upstater said:
But that doesn't mean the best player wins it often. Before Sanogo the last one to do it was Jalen Brunson.

I think the margin was by far the smallest for the '14 team -- of all our champions. Granted, the '11 Arizona game was almost as close as the '14 St. Joe's game, but I thought the '11 team had more firepower. In '14, they were just tough and gritty in crucial stretches that easily could have gone against them.


'99, '04, '11, '23 I was just full of confidence that they could bounce back during rough stretches.

In '14, I almost cried seeing them come back after really rough periods against St Joes, Michigan St, Florida and Kentucky.
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Luck ALWAYS plays a part but to say that was just a lucky run is insane. That team had a tough stretch in conference but out of conference they had a great record and they beat the #1 team in the country and overall top seed twice that season. They had the best backcourt in the country a wing who really found himself in the second half of the season and a bunch of guys who did their part in whatever way they could contribute. That was good team that made a great run because of their backcourt which just took it to another level offensive and defensively. Just ask the Harrison twins lol!
 
Mr. French said:
None of that means they were lucky.

If you take out the Louisville thrashings that year they were pretty good. They played their peak ball in the tournament. Their peak was as good as anyone that year.

Florida dominated the entire country that year and we got em twice. MSU was the hot, chic favorite. UK was loaded with talent and peaking.

Not lucky.
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They didn't get lucky (at least not luckier than any other champion needs to be in order to win it all), they got hot. Look at KenPom, they were far and away the lowest ranked champion of the KenPom era. The team, compared to other champions in past years and since, wasn't all that great.
 
The "UConn got lucky" drivel is very easy to ignore for 2023 because they beat the ever-living s*@! out of every single team they faced.
 
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