Kemba being traded?

[the Q]

Nailed it. With Tatum at the 4, they are really vulnerable, especially on defense. It's fine to play that way some of the time, but they had to almost all of the time, and that is a problem. I think they thought TT would help, and 5 years ago he would have. Grant W is a decent 10 minute a game guy, that's it. They need an athletic, shot blocking stretch 4. That 2019 draft was terrible. Missing out on Herro by one spot, and Brandon Clarke by one at the other, and ending up with Langford and Grant W. I wanted Clarke at Langford's spot.

I do think they will be somewhat aggressive this offseason. But it's hard to predict. There will be more moves than trading Kemba.

They lost out on Herro by a coin flip.

Like I’ve been saying, after that nets trade the Celtics haven’t had much luck

But let’s not forget Herro isn’t the star he seemed to be in the bubble either. It says more about Romeo, who was a fair gamble imo. But it was wrist injury arbitrage more or less. He also hasn’t had a single offseason to work on his shot yet.

But dumping salary twice with first round picks left them without a few guys who could’ve really helped as well.

Clarke and thybulle we’re analytics darlings so it’s no surprise they ended up on the sixers and Memphis.

I’m not sure Boston has the assets now to land a 3rd star, they might need to find a way to Utah this thing and just load up in depth.

I’m really curious how Brad will draft since if it was Danny I’d expect jaylen Johnson or Zaire to have been the pick at 16.

That 2019 draft would’ve been a good time to use those assets to move up as well. I can’t say the same with 2020 since the pelicans and suns let nesmith fall to them, and he was the last player in that tier.

I’m really curious if Brad hangs into bob since he never seemed to trust him as a coach

And speaking of coaches, that outside candidate list is really really weak imo. I wouldn’t hate Ham though. He turned down his alma mater to take a shot at an NBA gig. He’s worked his tail off to get here.

 

[Waquoit]

I think the Celtics are toast for the foreseeable future. I can't see how they add talent and I can't see where Brad has the goods to construct a team.

 

[Rich]

Kemba at this point has negative trade value, so he C's would have to attach players, picks, or both to get rid of him.

If I were the Knicks I'd ask for Boston's #1 pick in the 2021 draft plus their #1 in the 2023 draft and maybe swap rights in '22 as well. His knee is a mess and that contract is one of the worst in the NBA.

 

[the Q]

Kemba at this point has negative trade value, so he C's would have to attach players, picks, or both to get rid of him.

If I were the Knicks I'd ask for Boston's #1 pick in the 2021 draft plus their #1 in the 2023 draft and maybe swap rights in '22 as well. His knee is a mess and that contract is one of the worst in the NBA.

brad better to them to duck off if that’s the offer

 

[auror]

I think the Celtics are toast for the foreseeable future. I can't see how they add talent and I can't see where Brad has the goods to construct a team.

Do you mean "the goods" as in assets to use to build a team or the personal qualities of basketball savant Brad Stevens?

I don't agree with either, but I'm curious all the same.

 

[Rich]

brad better to them to duck off if that’s the offer

Except that may be one of the more lenient ones. You can bet other teams will ask for Pritchard, TimeLord, Nesmith et. al. PLUS a first/firsts/swap for the trouble.

I predict they don't move him and he is benched by the middle of the season with Pritchard taking his place. Seems like the most logical step here.

One other caveat is what happens with Smart. I don't think he's on the team next season but the Walker mess complicates that.

 

[the Q]

Except that may be one of the more lenient ones. You can bet other teams will ask for Pritchard, TimeLord, Nesmith et. al. PLUS a first/firsts/swap for the trouble.

I predict they don't move him and he is benched by the middle of the season with Pritchard taking his place. Seems like the most logical step here.

One other caveat is what happens with Smart. I don't think he's on the team next season but the Walker mess complicates that.

he was still a top 50 player in bpm ahead of guys like middleton, lowry, and Jamal murray.

with blow by rates better than even his peak in Charlotte, there’s something left in the tank.

but if teams want to get stupid like that, hou just ride it out, add depth with exceptions and picks and go to more of the Utah model. Two stars and try to load up on depth

 

[Husky25]

Not to rehash past ridiculousness (well, yes. I guess it is...), but two years have elapsed since some here would not have bet against Kemba being enshrined in Springfield.

Of course that was with the caveat that he needed 7 or 8 hall of fame caliber seasons over the (then) next 7-8 seasons. Now that he needs 7-8 hall of fame caliber season within the next 5 or 6 post-prime seasons, Is it safe to make that bet?

 

[NJHusky]

Is Kemba's knee beyond repair so it's a chronic condition...or will an off season surgery/rest ameliorate the problem?

 

[aceboon]

Is Kemba's knee beyond repair so it's a chronic condition...or will an off season surgery/rest ameliorate the problem?

I think he has a bone-on-bone issue related to meniscus tears over the years. I saw him mention that he was looking forward to an offseason of rest but the break b/w the Covid pause and the bubble start-up in 2020 was longer than a normal offseason and he showed up to the bubble with knee issues, so I don't know what an offseason of rest will do.

 

[Husky25]

I think he has a bone-on-bone issue related to meniscus tears over the years. I saw him mention that he was looking forward to an offseason of rest but the break b/w the Covid pause and the bubble start-up in 2020 was longer than a normal offseason and he showed up to the bubble with knee issues, so I don't know what an offseason of rest will do.

Saw something last year that its an arthritic condition. Bone on bone sounds consistent. Surgery likely means the end of his career. No Hall of Fame, but I'd imagine the bet would be off the board at that point.

 

[Kenny11]

Not to rehash past ridiculousness (well, yes. I guess it is...), but two years have elapsed since some here would not have bet against Kemba being enshrined in Springfield.

Of course that was with the caveat that he needed 7 or 8 hall of fame caliber seasons over the (then) next 7-8 seasons. Now that he needs 7-8 hall of fame caliber season within the next 5 or 6 post-prime seasons, Is it safe to make that bet?

I don't think he was ever going to get in.......but if he won a championship with the celtics, the argument could be made that the nba championship along with what he did in 2011 was so special that it could have almost alone made him a candidate. However, college careers, while part of the criteria, don't seemed to be weighed heavily at all in recent years.

 

[HuskyHawk]

Kemba at this point has negative trade value, so he C's would have to attach players, picks, or both to get rid of him.

If I were the Knicks I'd ask for Boston's #1 pick in the 2021 draft plus their #1 in the 2023 draft and maybe swap rights in '22 as well. His knee is a mess and that contract is one of the worst in the NBA.

That's ridiculous. It's a two year contract. It's not close to worst in the NBA. If his knee finally heals it isn't a bad contract at all. There is no chance they surrender much to move him, because they'd be better off just keeping him. There isn't anybody to sign out there anyway. Aside from Kawhi, who isn't coming to Boston, who moves the needle from this list? 2021 NBA Free Agents Tracker | Spotrac

Bring Yam Madar back from Israel, dump some useless guys, draft a stretch 4 and go from there. WATCH: Yam Madar gets career-high 29 points, 6 assists vs. Beer Sheva (usatoday.com) They still have the MLE as well.

 

[HuskyHawk]

he was still a top 50 player in bpm ahead of guys like middleton, lowry, and Jamal murray.

with blow by rates better than even his peak in Charlotte, there’s something left in the tank.

but if teams want to get stupid like that, hou just ride it out, add depth with exceptions and picks and go to more of the Utah model. Two stars and try to load up on depth

Yep. And you never know who becomes a "star". Nesmith still can. The PG from Israel? Who knows? Time Lord a star? Probably not, but a top ten center, yeah that's possible with health. Whoever they draft at 16 this year can become a star. Tatum is just 23. Brown 24. Williams 23. There is no urgency requiring a sacrifice of the future. Marcus Smart seems like he's been around forever, and even he is 27.

 

[Fairfield_1st]

Grant Williams is not built for the new NBA. You need athletic players who can guard multiple positions and shoot the rock. He seems too small and stiff for my eyes and his shooting is OK.

 

[Rich]

That's ridiculous. It's a two year contract. It's not close to worst in the NBA. If his knee finally heals it isn't a bad contract at all. There is no chance they surrender much to move him, because they'd be better off just keeping him. There isn't anybody to sign out there anyway. Aside from Kawhi, who isn't coming to Boston, who moves the needle from this list? 2021 NBA Free Agents Tracker | Spotrac

Bring Yam Madar back from Israel, dump some useless guys, draft a stretch 4 and go from there. WATCH: Yam Madar gets career-high 29 points, 6 assists vs. Beer Sheva (usatoday.com) They still have the MLE as well.

Whose contract is worse? Maybe John Wall?

 

[Woodson]

Whose contract is worse? Maybe John Wall?

Wall for sure. Others like Kevin Love and Al Horford come to mind. Hayward got 4 years/120 M and broke down again. Buddy Hield is around 100 M. Wiz gave Bertans 80 M

Westbrook - 2 years left for 92 M

 

[the Q]

Wall for sure. Others like Kevin Love and Al Horford come to mind. Hayward got 4 years/120 M and broke down again. Buddy Hield is around 100 M. Wiz gave Bertans 80 M

Westbrook - 2 years left for 92 M

Andrew Wiggins
Zinger

 

[Woodson]

Andrew Wiggins
Zinger

Speaking of Wiggins, I got some Warriors games this year, he’s a solid 3rd guy if you can eat the money - but definitely paid like a #1. They owe Draymond big money too, who is suddenly incapable of scoring

 

[Waquoit]

Do you mean "the goods" as in assets to use to build a team or the personal qualities of basketball savant Brad Stevens?

Yes

 

[Rich]

Wall for sure. Others like Kevin Love and Al Horford come to mind. Hayward got 4 years/120 M and broke down again. Buddy Hield is around 100 M. Wiz gave Bertans 80 M

Westbrook - 2 years left for 92 M

yeah but Russ can generate a metric crap ton of ticket, merchandise and TV eyeball revenue based on his in game exploits alone, so I'm not counting him. He's an asset over and above what PER, WS/48, Box +/- etc reflect.

Horford brings a lot of value as a vet on the team. That's been his rep now for three seasons in Philly, Boston and OKC so disregard him.

Love I'll buy. Wall we agree. Kemba is at least third there. I'll also throw Porzingis into the mix.

Don't discount one of the Nets' Big 3 turning up on this list as well. The injury proclivity is not promising.

The AD contract could turn ugly in L.A. as well.