Kemba being traded?

[HuskyHawk]

Outside shooting.

Playing Tatum at the 4 is probably their best lineup as currently constructed

Sure but I’d rather just roll with Nesmith. I think he will be everything Fournier is and more with some experience. This team does need an improved 4 so we can play bigger when necessary. I agree that Tatum is plenty big enough for a small ball 4, but you don’t really want him defending Giannis. I like Rob at the 5 if he can get healthy.

It‘s going to be interesting to see what they do.

 

[the Q]

Sure but I’d rather just roll with Nesmith. I think he will be everything Fournier is and more with some experience. This team does need an improved 4 so we can play bigger when necessary. I agree that Tatum is plenty big enough for a small ball 4, but you don’t really want him defending Giannis. I like Rob at the 5 if he can get healthy.

It‘s going to be interesting to see what they do.

Keeping this team together will lead to a warriors-Esque tax bill.

The Celtics have burned multiple first round picks over the years to clear salary or suck the tax.

And I believe the Celtics have only paid the tax once since the big 3 era ended

 

[UConn990411]

I don't see any way the Celtics keep Fournier. He's going to make too much money and I just don't see how he fits with the Celtics. How does he fit with Tatum and Brown? The trade deadline deal to get him was useless.

Did you see the bench without him? He’s a massive upgrade from any of those guys, despite the fact that he was never really 100% here.

The Celtics can offer Fournier more money than anyone else, so that’s one of the ways they keep him. It’s just a matter of how willing they are to take a tax hit.

 

[HooperScooper]

Did you see the bench without him? He’s a massive upgrade from any of those guys, despite the fact that he was never really 100% here.

The Celtics can offer Fournier more money than anyone else, so that’s one of the ways they keep him. It’s just a matter of how willing they are to take a tax hit.

Yes, I can see him being a positive coming off the bench. But I don't see him meshing well as a starter. Do you think he should start? If so, what's your starting line up with him on the team?

He mentioned he wants $20 million a year. If there's a team out there that will pay him that much then there's no way the Celtics should keep him.

 

[UConn990411]

Yes, I can see him being a positive coming off the bench. But I don't see him meshing well as a starter. Do you think he should start? If so, what's your starting line up with him on the team?

He mentioned he wants $20 million a year. If there's a team out there that will pay him that much then there's no way the Celtics should keep him.

If the Celtics bring him back, it’s to come off the bench. He’ll start if Jaylen misses time, but if they’re healthy, he’d play 25-35 mpg off the bench.

 

[HooperScooper]

If the Celtics bring him back, it’s to come off the bench. He’ll start if Jaylen misses time, but if they’re healthy, he’d play 25-35 mpg off the bench.

Well then Fournier isn't signing with the Celtics. No matter how much they offer him.

Here's What Evan Fournier Wants In NBA Free Agency

Looking ahead to NBA free agency, here is what Boston Celtics impending free agent Evan Fournier wants to get in a new deal.

www.nbaanalysis.net

 

[UConn990411]

Well then Fournier isn't signing with the Celtics. No matter how much they offer him.

Here's What Evan Fournier Wants In NBA Free Agency

Looking ahead to NBA free agency, here is what Boston Celtics impending free agent Evan Fournier wants to get in a new deal.

www.nbaanalysis.net

Literally nothing in that article supports your comment above.

 

[the Q]

Give up #16 and Walker for nothing? No thanks. I’d rather roll the dice that he heals. If he shows he can play every day and be effective you can trade him, give up nothing and get something back.

It would balls from both sides, but a kemba zinger trade could be something for sure.

 

[HooperScooper]

Literally nothing in that article supports your comment above.

True. Was just posting it to show how much he thinks he's going to get and how many options he will probably have. Which is why I don't think he will sign with the Celtics. I guess I should have said that.

 

[UConn990411]

True. Was just posting it to show how much he thinks he's going to get and how many options he will probably have. Which is why I don't think he will sign with the Celtics. I guess I should have said that.

All good - I do think it’ll be an uphill battle for the Celtics to sign him. But if he’s willing to come off the bench (knowing there will be plenty of minutes available), it would be a huge upgrade going into next year. And there would still be plenty of minutes to go around if Nesmith/Romeo take steps forward.

 

[HuskyHawk]

True. Was just posting it to show how much he thinks he's going to get and how many options he will probably have. Which is why I don't think he will sign with the Celtics. I guess I should have said that.

But they could do a sign and trade with him. It is probably their best bet. The current NBA is weird, because good players are undervalued due to cap space, and max contract guys are often overvalued (meaning several max contract players shouldn't be max contract players). Fournier isn't getting what he wants unless some particular team values him very highly. From what I saw last year, that may be a challenge. 2020 NBA Free Agents Tracker | Spotrac

I like him, but I think it makes more sense to roll with Nesmith and see what you have, unless they trade Brown (which they shouldn't).

 

[the Q]

But they could do a sign and trade with him. It is probably their best bet. The current NBA is weird, because good players are undervalued due to cap space, and max contract guys are often overvalued (meaning several max contract players shouldn't be max contract players). Fournier isn't getting what he wants unless some particular team values him very highly. From what I saw last year, that may be a challenge. 2020 NBA Free Agents Tracker | Spotrac

I like him, but I think it makes more sense to roll with Nesmith and see what you have, unless they trade Brown (which they shouldn't).

Mavericks are really a good landing spot for him

 

[Husky25]

Celtics need a knock down shooter PG who can also get guys the ball in their spots. Tatum is going to initiate the majority of offense, so don't need a scoring or necessarily a playmaking PG (although that always helps). Lonzo Ball if his recent shooting is true would be a nice fit. Jrue Holiday obviously. Maybe Brogdon.

I agree. Russell Westbrook would help.

 

[nomar]

Butler took his team to the Finals kicking Danny's ass in the process. How does that prove Danny right? Think about it. Danny "fleeced" the Nets and the Nets are much better now. The Heat did a complete rebuild while Danny spent years "managing assets" and are better than the Celtics now.

Not to defend Ainge -- he obviously did not capitalize on the assets obtained through the Nets trade (I don't know why you put "fleeced" in quotation marks) -- but I think one of the sillier points that I've heard over and over is that the Nets are better now. The Nets' success this year has nothing to do with anything other than Kyrie and KD pulling some banana boat shenanigans. If they'd have picked the Knicks instead, the Nets would be a middling team.

 

[the Q]

Not to defend Ainge -- he obviously did not capitalize on the assets obtained through the Nets trade (I don't know why you put "fleeced" in quotation marks) -- but I think one of the sillier points that I've heard over and over is that the Nets are better now. The Nets' success this year has nothing to do with anything other than Kyrie and KD pulling some banana boat shenanigans. If they'd have picked the Knicks instead, the Nets would be a middling team.

I mean here’s what he did with those nets picks:

james young (oof)
Jaylen brown
Jason Tatum (plus another lottery pick via trade - romeo
Kyrie Irving (the pick was the key piece)

that’s pretty good.

And no one bats a thousand

it’s a lot of the other stuff

his 2016 beyond brown was bad (he did trade a second for a future first 4 years later, whcih was thybull who he traded to Philly)

they also were able to sign hayward because of all those cheap rookie deals.

but then his leg exploded and he was never the same

a lot of bad stuff had to happen.

 

[auror]

I agree. Russell Westbrook would help.

 

[HuskyHawk]

I agree. Russell Westbrook would help.

Kemba is a much better outside shooter than Westbrook. Honestly, Pritchard was 41% from 3 this year. Smart is as good an outside shooter as Westbrook.

I know the offense runs through Tatum, but that's also the problem with the offense. It's not supposed to run through Tatum. He's not a good enough distributor and facilitator for that role. I'm not sure what they need aside from a legit mobile shot blocking 4 man (who can shoot) so They can play bigger with Tatum at SF and Brown at SG. Doesn't need to be the primary lineup, but they too easily get manhandled by some teams and have to be able to adjust. They should have kept Olynyk or Marcus Morris. That's what they are missing.

If they can move Kemba, I'd just stick with Smart and Pritchard. They can either draft another PG or a PF. If you draft a PF, sign a decent veteran backup PG. It's time to move on from guys like Edwards and Waters. Probably Langford too.

 

[the Q]

Kemba is a much better outside shooter than Westbrook. Honestly, Pritchard was 41% from 3 this year. Smart is as good an outside shooter as Westbrook.

I know the offense runs through Tatum, but that's also the problem with the offense. It's not supposed to run through Tatum. He's not a good enough distributor and facilitator for that role. I'm not sure what they need aside from a legit mobile shot blocking 4 man (who can shoot) so They can play bigger with Tatum at SF and Brown at SG. Doesn't need to be the primary lineup, but they too easily get manhandled by some teams and have to be able to adjust. They should have kept Olynyk or Marcus Morris. That's what they are missing.

If they can move Kemba, I'd just stick with Smart and Pritchard. They can either draft another PG or a PF. If you draft a PF, sign a decent veteran backup PG. It's time to move on from guys like Edwards and Waters. Probably Langford too.

they only have the small Mle unless they dump Kemba.
It’s gonna be a rough add. Better off just adding bazz with smart and Pritchard and try to add a pf with the mle

 

[nomar]

I mean here’s what he did with those nets picks:

james young (oof)
Jaylen brown
Jason Tatum (plus another lottery pick via trade - romeo
Kyrie Irving (the pick was the key piece)

that’s pretty good.

And no one bats a thousand

it’s a lot of the other stuff

his 2016 beyond brown was bad (he did trade a second for a future first 4 years later, whcih was thybull who he traded to Philly)

they also were able to sign hayward because of all those cheap rookie deals.

but then his leg exploded and he was never the same

a lot of bad stuff had to happen.

I totally agree — it’s not what he did with those picks, it’s what else he did and didn’t do. I agree bad luck played a role but the bottom line is that the organization isn’t close to a championship.

 

[the Q]

I totally agree — it’s not what he did with those picks, it’s what else he did and didn’t do. I agree bad luck played a role but the bottom line is that the organization isn’t close to a championship.

Even without Lebron in the East, they weren’t beating this warriors run.

So they were doomed from the start.

The biggest thing was the kyrie meltdown and exodus since, unlike al and Hayward it cost them a valuable asset and a chance to do other things

 

[HuskyHawk]

Stumbled upon this article.

According to The Athletic's Jared Weiss: "Multiple front-office sources across the NBA told The Athletic [last] week they still view Walker as having negative trade value should the team decide to go that route this offseason. That likely means a trade would cost the Celtics extra picks or assets to offload, even if Walker is universally admired for his relentlessly positive attitude and hard work through injury."

But sources still expect teams looking for a veteran scoring point guard to monitor Walker. The New York Knicks, who must make decisions on soon-to-be free-agent Derrick Rose's future and whether to start rookie sensation Immanuel Quickley, could be on that list. Walker said last year that the Knicks were one of his "top priorities" when he was a free agent in 2019.

Sources Say Boston Celtics and Kemba Walker Want a Breakup | Bleacher Report | Latest News, Videos and Highlights

 

[the Q]

Stumbled upon this article.



Sources Say Boston Celtics and Kemba Walker Want a Breakup | Bleacher Report | Latest News, Videos and Highlights

This will be interesting.

I’m gonna die on the vine of a zinger/Kemba deal. Although knicks would also be fine

 

[Letsgohuskies11]

"A source close to Walker said he was hurt by Boston's efforts to trade him, which created a rift in the Walker-Ainge relationship. Walker has a great relationship with his teammates and looked forward to being a veteran mentor to Tatum and Brown, but the same can't be said about Walker and the front office. He no longer feels wanted."

 

[auror]

they had their chance to get jrue.

Yup, that article above confirms they tried to trade Kemba for him.

 

[Dogdeacon]

What dies rift with Ainge matter, the dude was fired? Doesn’t it now come down to how Stevens feels about him? If not why would Stevens take the job?
I think the Cs main problem this year was 1 healthy big and secondary related issue was lack of toughness. Kemba was far from perfect, but spending draft picks to dump him will not help them. If they had drafted Thybulle to offset Kemba’s size and defense, their backcourt would be fine.

Even if Rob W is healthy they need 2 more PF/Cs.

 

[the Q]

What dies rift with Ainge matter, the dude was fired? Doesn’t it now come down to how Stevens feels about him? If not why would Stevens take the job?
I think the Cs main problem this year was 1 healthy big and secondary related issue was lack of toughness. Kemba was far from perfect, but spending draft picks to dump him will not help them. If they had drafted Thybulle to offset Kemba’s size and defense, their backcourt would be fine.

Even if Rob W is healthy they need 2 more PF/Cs.

They had bob theis and Thompson at c

Grant and Tatum at the 4

They just weren’t a good unit. Tt’s decline from CLE stayed. Theis regressed badly. And grant just has never been that good yet.

The problem is it’s now a slow ball stopping offense that is easy to defend, and Covid wreaked havoc on them

T

 

[Dogdeacon]

They had bob theis and Thompson at c

Grant and Tatum at the 4

They just weren’t a good unit. Tt’s decline from CLE stayed. Theis regressed badly. And grant just has never been that good yet.

The problem is it’s now a slow ball stopping offense that is easy to defend, and Covid wreaked havoc on them

T

They traded Theis & Grant W is not good, in postseason it was literally just Thompson. RWill has unfortunately been injured every year of career & TT is at good bench guy stage. Needs are rebounding & run protection

 

[the Q]

They traded Theis & Grant W is not good, in postseason it was literally just Thompson. RWill has unfortunately been injured every year of career & TT is at good bench guy stage. Needs are rebounding & run protection

But they stunk all year. Even when they all were healthy.

TT was a major mistake

Teague over Shabazz we all knew wasn’t smart

I’m hoping they ducked the tax like this year cause they know they’re going over next year (and probably seasons after with bob and smart due extensions)

What do they need to do?

Their only positional need is a stretch 4 so they can’t play Tatum at the 3. Or they could trade for a Larry nance jr or jeramy grant and just start big and let starts play pg a little more.

They can get a 3rd c if possible or they could move tt for someone else’s bad contract

More depth on the wing isn’t bad

Moving kemba creates a starting pg hole, but wirh Pritchard and hopefully the Jewish guard they drafted last year who was tearing it up and chomping at the bit to get to the NBA they should have depth.

The 16th pick in this draft could be a nice value slot.

Or it could be just the piece they need to land say a Larry nance. Or it could be worth 2 of the 3 firsts that went into a jrue holiday deal. This would be where grant would come into play to some extent

 

[HuskyHawk]

But they stunk all year. Even when they all were healthy.

TT was a major mistake

Teague over Shabazz we all knew wasn’t smart

I’m hoping they ducked the tax like this year cause they know they’re going over next year (and probably seasons after with bob and smart due extensions)

What do they need to do?

Their only positional need is a stretch 4 so they can’t play Tatum at the 3. Or they could trade for a Larry nance jr or jeramy grant and just start big and let starts play pg a little more.

They can get a 3rd c if possible or they could move tt for someone else’s bad contract

More depth on the wing isn’t bad

Moving kemba creates a starting pg hole, but wirh Pritchard and hopefully the Jewish guard they drafted last year who was tearing it up and chomping at the bit to get to the NBA they should have depth.

The 16th pick in this draft could be a nice value slot.

Or it could be just the piece they need to land say a Larry nance. Or it could be worth 2 of the 3 firsts that went into a jrue holiday deal. This would be where grant would come into play to some extent

Nailed it. With Tatum at the 4, they are really vulnerable, especially on defense. It's fine to play that way some of the time, but they had to almost all of the time, and that is a problem. I think they thought TT would help, and 5 years ago he would have. Grant W is a decent 10 minute a game guy, that's it. They need an athletic, shot blocking stretch 4. That 2019 draft was terrible. Missing out on Herro by one spot, and Brandon Clarke by one at the other, and ending up with Langford and Grant W. I wanted Clarke at Langford's spot.

I do think they will be somewhat aggressive this offseason. But it's hard to predict. There will be more moves than trading Kemba.

 

[ktuck911]

knicks!

Makes sense... even my 76ers makes sense