Kelly Faris and All American consideration

[semper]

The FUN factor...when she is on, every play is a joy. I love Geno's comment, I haven't had so much fun in a long, long time. I wish I coulda seen that second half.

 

[Bobanozz]

Even if she fails to make one of the All-American teams, the Boneyard should organize a vigilante party and put her name and number up on the Huskies of Honor wall under cover of darkness right before Senior Night.

We should petition UConn to institute the. 'Kelly Faris Award.' Give the winner a "Swiss Army Knife." Awarded to the most valuable does everything player (Non AA) for 4 years

 

[bruinbball]

If Kelly plays as she has been to the end of the year Kelly will be a first team AA. Last night with the game in hand at 1:36 left in the game Kelly dove on the floor for a loose ball in the middle of the lane. She left to her second standing ovation of the game.

And the crowd chanting "Kelly Faris" shortly afterward.

In the Rebecca - Pam exchange, after Pam says" Probably not, and that's a shame"
Rebecca - "She should....she should."
Pam - She's certainly one of the best all-around players in the country"
Rebecca - "She should at least get consideration"

 

[jplotinus]

Basketball fans of a certain age will recall Wilt Chamberlain vs Bill Russell. The former averaged 50ppg the later +/-15. But, the later was also the best defensive player, ever, and won about 12 nba championships. Kelly Faris is close on to a Bill Russell type player.

To prove this to be correct, however, Kelly must now lead the team to championship #8.

So goes the national championship trophy, so goes KF 1st Team AA and Husky of Honor.

 

[Icebear]

Basketball fans of a certain age will recall Wilt Chamberlain vs Bill Russell. The former averaged 50ppg the later +/-15. But, the later was also the best defensive player, ever, and won about 12 nba championships. Kelly Faris is close on to a Bill Russell type player.

To prove this to be correct, however, Kelly must now lead the team to championship #8.

So goes the national championship trophy, so goes KF 1st Team AA and Husky of Honor.

Many, maybe most AAs are voted before the NC.

 

[jplotinus]

Many, maybe most AAs are voted before the NC.

I don't dispute that. In fact, you could have elaborated on that point, had you chosen to develop it through to its logical conclusion. Perhaps you care to do so and provide additional insight for us?

Here's what's needed:

1-Posting of the NCAA tournament schedule;
2-ditto the various AA team announcements, with particular noticing of the AP announcement, the one that counts for Husky of Honor wall posting, I believe.

So long as UCONN is still in the hunt when the various announcements are made KF might have a chance because there's nothing worse than an AA team that leaves out the player who is a standout on the last team standing.

No one likes to be asked: "what were you thinking?" -- right, Icebear?

 

[Icebear]

I don't dispute that. In fact, you could have elaborated on that point, had you chosen to develop it through to its logical conclusion. Perhaps you care to do so and provide additional insight for us?

Here's what's needed:

1-Posting of the NCAA tournament schedule;
2-ditto the various AA team announcements, with particular noticing of the AP announcement, the one that counts for Husky of Honor wall posting, I believe.

So long as UCONN is still in the hunt when the various announcements are made KF might have a chance because there's nothing worse than an AA team that leaves out the player who is a standout on the last team standing.

No one likes to be asked: "what were you thinking?" -- right, Icebear?

I never mind being asked a question. Off the top of my head I can't remember which are and are not voted before the tournament. The AA teams voted on by coaches are Kelly's best chance. Most coaches know what Kelly brings to the game every night.

 

[meyers7]

In Duke game ESPN coverage, as Kelly was on her way to an impressive double-double, while simultaneously playing shut-down defense against the vaunted Chelsea Gray, Rebecca Lobo asked "should Kelly Faris receive AA consideration?"

Answer: "No"

Rebecca followed up with "consieration at least?"

Still no positive response.

That is not right. If Kelly continues her present path of stellar all around play, and shut-down defense of opponents' best player, game in and game out, AA honors should follow. There was no basis for a "No" answer on a national telecast, no less, when Kelly had just posted a double/double and when Chelsea Gray was sitting on the bench looking like a deer in the path of oncoming headlights.

In the Rebecca - Pam exchange, after Pam says" Probably not, and that's a shame"
Rebecca - "She should....she should."
Pam - She's certainly one of the best all-around players in the country"
Rebecca - "She should at least get consideration"

Let's be fair to Pam Ward. Her answer wasn't. "No." It was., "Probably not, and that's a shame." It was not negative against Kelly at all and more a comment of how others neglect Kelly's contributions.

So at the very least jplot, you were misleading (and that's putting it nicely). We all love Faris, but you are not endearing yourself here much with these kind of posts.

 

[slimmer56]

Kelly Faris was chiseled out of cave in Middle Indiana ! Not just to play bball, but to play for UCONN & Geno Auriemma. That freakin' place was as wild as I have ever seen it. When Geno chest-bumped Kelly the whole place, the bench, and myself erupted. Kelly Faris is an All-American , and will be a high pick in the WNBA draft. Why wouldn't she be ? As a coach all you have to do is point out which player you want to stop 1-4, and unleash Kelly on her.

I was so happy and excited that 2nd half. By God if we didn't look like the UCONN of old. I think they proved something to themselves too. Bring on ND !
GO UCONN GO

 

[jplotinus]

So at the very least jplot, you were misleading (and that's putting it nicely). We all love Faris, but you are not endearing yourself here much with these kind of posts.

Oh joy, another claim of "etiquette" violation. I don't have a tape of the segment, as I imagine you do, as you appear to have quoted it in detail.

As a matter if etiquette, then, and In order properly to resolve this conundrum, permit me to politely request you post the segment in the thread via YouTube, assuming there's a legally postable version to be had. I posted from memory of the moment, as this is a friendly chat and not a formal hearing in the Star Chamber. As I sit here today, I remember the exchange as I posted it. I accurately recounted the impression it made on me. Granted, my hearing may have been selective. It was, afterall, a basketball game.

Perhaps the dialogue is as you say it it is but that is not how it struck me at the time.

Unless and until you post a YouTube version, this matter will remain unresolved. After you post it and I listen to it in the light of day and on the basis of reason, I may recant,confess,plead guilty or stand firm as the case may be.

 

[Icebear]

Unless and until you post a YouTube version, this matter will remain unresolved. After you post it and I listen to it in the light of day and on the basis of reason, I may recant,confess,plead guilty or stand firm as the case may be.

Two of us posted it verbatim and exactly the same. It is done.

 

[Ozzie Nelson]

Oh joy, another claim of "etiquette" violation. I don't have a tape of the segment, as I imagine you do, as you appear to have quoted it in detail.

As a matter if etiquette, then, and In order properly to resolve this conundrum, permit me to politely request you post the segment in the thread via YouTube, assuming there's a legally postable version to be had. I posted from memory of the moment, as this is a friendly chat and not a formal hearing in the Star Chamber. As I sit here today, I remember the exchange as I posted it. I accurately recounted the impression it made on me. Granted, my hearing may have been selective. It was, afterall, a basketball game.

Perhaps the dialogue is as you say it it is but that is not how it struck me at the time.

Unless and until you post a YouTube version, this matter will remain unresolved. After you post it and I listen to it in the light of day and on the basis of reason, I may recant,confess,plead guilty or stand firm as the case may be.

You are wrong. Give it up. Many of us have a DVR, and therein resides the proof.

 

[DishNSwish]

Graham Hays and I were discussing this last night...we were kind of leaning toward an off the cuff idea of second team All-American.

 

[jplotinus]

Two of us posted it verbatim and exactly the same. It is done.

So long as we're having a friendly chat, the claimed verbatim posting is ok for discussion. But, IMHO, if there's a need to prove me wrong or to lay a claim of violation of this, that or the other, then, in that event, hearing is believing.

Transcript is limited. It doesn't convey tone, tenor or pauses that cause one statement of "probably not" to sound very different from another one.

You agree?

 

[bruinbball]

The WBCA State Farm team is ten players. Can anyone name 10 players they would rather have night in night out to make your team and the other players around them better while doing everything necessary to help your team win games?

 

[alexrgct]

There are some critical games coming up: Baylor, ND in South Bend, BET. Those also have the advantage of being late in the season. If Kelly shines in those games like she did against Duke, we may see a change of thinking as far as AA consideration. No one who watched the Duke game came away thinking there was a better player on the floor that particular night, and that game had multiple AA candidates. If she keeps it up, she will become the first AA who never had a chance of being an AA.

 

[Icebear]

So long as we're having a friendly chat, the claimed verbatim posting is ok for discussion. But, IMHO, if there's a need to prove me wrong or to lay a claim of violation of this, that or the other, then, in that event, hearing is believing.

Transcript is limited. It doesn't convey tone, tenor or pauses that cause one statement of "probably not" to sound very different from another one.

You agree?

Yes, I can be limiting. Hearing Ward it was clear she was not deriding or criticizing Kelly at all. Your comment per Ward that she simply said, "No," did not capture that essense, especially, with her additional phrase, "and that's a shame," which was significant. That fact is all I was adding to be fair to Ward. Nothing more.

 

[alexrgct]

The WBCA State Farm team is ten players. Can anyone name 10 players they would rather have night in night out to make your team and the other players around them better while doing everything necessary to help your team win games?

No

 

[jplotinus]

You are wrong. Give it up. Many of us have a DVR, and therein resides the proof.

What's the matter? Did I offend you or your sensibilities?

If so post up a confession you'd like for me to sign. So long as I don't have to face a firing squad or do time in the slam, I'll sign the darn confession. Then, perhaps, we can move on and lobby for KF 1st team AA.

Do we have an accord, or do you wanna go to war?

 

[bruinbball]

So long as we're having a friendly chat, the claimed verbatim posting is ok for discussion. But, IMHO, if there's a need to prove me wrong or to lay a claim of violation of this, that or the other, then, in that event, hearing is believing.

Transcript is limited. It doesn't convey tone, tenor or pauses that cause one statement of "probably not" to sound very different from another one.

You agree?

Rebecca: "Do you think Kelly Faris has any shot to be an All-American?"
Pam: "Probably not and that's a shame"
Rebecca: "Should be.....should be."
Pam: "Certainly one of the best all-around players in the country"
Rebecca - "She should at least get consideration"

I think it is pretty clear their tone was one of under-appreciation for Kelly by the award voting powers that be. For you to hear it any other way...leads me to the glass half empty tone of your posts in recent history - maybe it is just your mindset.

 

[Icebear]

There are some critical games coming up: Baylor, ND in South Bend, BET. Those also have the advantage of being late in the season. If Kelly shines in those games like she did against Duke, we may see a change of thinking as far as AA consideration. No one who watched the Duke game came away thinking there was a better player on the floor that particular night, and that game had multiple AA candidates. If she keeps it up, she will become the first AA who never had a chance of being an AA.

I have dreams of Faris shutting down Griner by just taking away her legs. Then they would be the same size.

 

[jplotinus]

Yes, I can be limiting. Hearing Ward it was clear she was not deriding or criticizing Kelly at all. Your comment per Ward that she simply said, "No," did not capture that essense, especially, with her additional phrase, "and that's a shame," which was significant. That fact is all I was adding to be fair to Ward. Nothing more.

No offense, but i distinctly did not hear it the way you did. I am sorry if it offends someone if I heard it differently.

 

[Icebear]

No offense, but i distinctly did not hear it the way you did. I am sorry if it offends someone if I heard it differently.

As bruin said that is probably more about you. Nothing I posted was a criticism of you either. Just giving Ward her credit for what she said.

 

[jplotinus]

Rebecca: "Do you think Kelly Faris has any shot to be an All-American?"
Pam: "Probably not and that's a shame"
Rebecca: "Should be.....should be."
Pam: "Certainly one of the best all-around players in the country"
Rebecca - "She should at least get consideration"

I think it is pretty clear their tone was one of under-appreciation for Kelly by the award voting powers that be. For you to hear it any other way...leads me to the glass half empty tone of your posts in recent history - maybe it is just your mindset.

No you are wrong to claim something about tone, as that requires hearing, not a claimed interpretation.

See, I can also use the word "wrong". Mind you, I don't relish doing that and would rather move on. But, since you find it necessary to judge my posts, well, game on.

 

[HuskyNan]

No you are wrong to claim something about tone, as that requires hearing, not a claimed interpretation.

See, I can also use the word "wrong". Mind you, I don't relish doing that and would rather move on. But, since you find it necessary to judge my posts, well, game on.

I agree with bruin and ice. I didn't hear Ward putting Kelly down, just giving her opinion on how she thought the voters would go on the subject of Kelly getting votes.