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OT: Keep the Handshake Line, Lose the Poor Sportsmanship

Remember the handshake line when Geno got tripped by a player and they later exchanged comments and Geno's players had to pull him away from her?
 
So we have reached a point as a society where we should abandon as simple a human gesture as a handshake after a GAME because adults can’t control themselves and conduct themselves with the most basic of good manners and self control?
With all due respect to Tiny Tim, God help us, every one.
 
drweo said:
The consequences for Howard should be stiffer. He's supposed to be the adult; he's supposed to be the educator; he's supposed to be setting an example. And he's the one who started punching.

IMO, Michigan should fire him.

BTW, I know it's hard to see clearly on the video the elbow grab by the other coach that sent Howard over the top, but it looked to me like the gesture many people make when they just want to talk, not a hostile or aggressive grab. If you dont want to be touched, just pull your arm away, say so, and move on.
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Agreed. Fired or at least suspended the rest of the season rather than just 5 games. At almost any other profession he'd be fired on the spot for violence in the work place.

People make mistakes but this is the second time he's done something like this in less than a year, and he's the one who instigated the conflicts both times. In a position of leadership where you're a head coach making $2m+/year and a public figure, you just can't do that and should be held accountable.

The fact that he hasn't apologized or taken ownership of yesterday's events is an awful example too. Too soft of a punishment IMO.
 
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Piss poor for Howard. My son went to UM a year behind the Fab 5. I kind of liked Howard but this is ridiculously bad. Firing wouidn’t be silly, but a meaningful suspension without pay at least. There is nothing wrong with the handshake line whether or not it amounts to a hill of beans.
 
LwrcasefaN said:
Handshake line is a scapegoat here. Suspend BOTH coaches for the year. THEY started a brawl.
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Nope, it was Howard’s fault. I see CBS News is doing their best to whitewash Michigan though.
 
As someone said, if they can do it in hockey, they can do it in basketball. It's a sign of mutual respect. Whichever coach started it should be out for the rest of the full year. The other should be out for a minimum of 3 games. Idiots.
 
uconnfan68 said:
Nope, it was Howard’s fault. I see CBS News is doing their best to whitewash Michigan though.
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What does CBS have to do with anything? I don't recall anyone defending the Piston players when it was clear the altercation was escalated by a fan. I think the expectation is that two adults would deescalate.
 
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LwrcasefaN said:
Handshake line is a scapegoat here. Suspend BOTH coaches for the year. THEY started a brawl.
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That's nonsense. Only one coach, Howard, started the brawl. He should get at least a long suspension. Gard at most deserves a minor reprimand.
 
It always looks like when you get off an airplane and the stews say "bu bye" "bu bye" to everyone. it is meaningless and I say scrub it. Let the coaches shake hands.
 
stamfordhusky said:
That's nonsense. Only one coach, Howard, started the brawl. He should get at least a long suspension. Gard at most deserves a minor reprimand.
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Howard threw the first punch. He deserves a suspension. Prior to the punch, Krabbenhoft is pushing two Michigan players after Howard has already disengaged from Gard. Howard and Krabbenhoft are the two I'm talking about. Gard and Howard had already separated themselves, Krabbenhoft kept it going and escalated the situation. IMO...he should also be suspended.
 
HuskyNan said:
They’re adults. They should act like it when they’re representing their schools. It’s a freaking basketball game, why should anyone be so angry they have to take a swing at another person?
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My thoughts exactly. Keep the handshake line, make sure the coaches are grownups.
 
drweo said:
The consequences for Howard should be stiffer. He's supposed to be the adult; he's supposed to be the educator; he's supposed to be setting an example. And he's the one who started punching.

IMO, Michigan should fire him.

BTW, I know it's hard to see clearly on the video the elbow grab by the other coach that sent Howard over the top, but it looked to me like the gesture many people make when they just want to talk, not a hostile or aggressive grab. If you dont want to be touched, just pull your arm away, say so, and move on.
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Folks are confusing coaches. Howard and Gard were in the handshake line. Gard does grab Howard's arm to talk. Gard is not who Howard punched. Howard punched Gard's assistant. Howard was wrong. Period. Whatever disagreement he and Gard had in the line...they went their separate ways. Folks aren't looking at what the assistant is doing. FOUR (two MI players, a security guard and masked guy) people are trying to stop him from pursuing Howard. Howard returns and reaches over the players and punches the assistant. The assistant was just as much to blame for the escalation.
 
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LwrcasefaN said:
What does CBS have to do with anything? I don't recall anyone defending the Piston players when it was clear the altercation was escalated by a fan. I think the expectation is that two adults would deescalate.
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They never mentioned Wisconsin or it’s coaches. I don’t know why they would exonerate Michigan, but it sure sounded that way to me. After watching the video, and hearing what happened in the game… it’s all on Howard. Only losers press the subs in the last minute down double digits.
 
uconnfan68 said:
They never mentioned Wisconsin or it’s coaches. I don’t know why they would exonerate Michigan, but it sure sounded that way to me. After watching the video, and hearing what happened in the game… it’s all on Howard. Only losers press the subs in the last minute down double digits.
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I heard the coach's excuses for doing whatever they were doing...calling timeouts, pressing or whatever, but that doesn't excuse what took place afterwards. I have to disagree that it's all on Howard. I too saw the video. I thought it was over after he and Gard separated from one another. It should have ended there. It didn't.
 
hoopsfan22 said:
Get rid of it. Send an email after saying "good game" or whatever. It's 2022 we don't need to shake people's germ ridden hands after a game.
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I respectfully disagree, coaches are teachers of sports and sportsmanship. With the modern civilization becoming increasingly uncivilized it should be more important than ever to teach respect of the opponent. They all handle the same germ ridden ball along with the officials all game, along with touching, holding and rolling around on the floor together. I doubt highly a fist bump or lame (as they usually are) high five will cost a player serious medical issues.
drweo said:
IMO, Michigan should fire him.
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Can't say I disagree, he did the same thing last season. The guy has anger management issues and not in a position to be teaching college students about sportsmanship. But Warde will not fire a coach as we know at UConn he is not good at hiring them and Juwan is another example.


He did have a silly one though after already picking up a class A technical but this only got him a class B. ;)
Michigan coach Juwan Howard picks up live ball and gets a technical foul
 
Carnac said:
Bare with me for a moment on this, but about when did basketball teams start the handshake line? I’m old, and don’t remember everything from the distant past. Of course I remember playing HS basketball, and I still remember a few games, but I don’t remember if there was a handshake line after a game.
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There was no line in the 1950's!
 
LwrcasefaN said:
Howard threw the first punch. He deserves a suspension. Prior to the punch, Krabbenhoft is pushing two Michigan players after Howard has already disengaged from Gard. Howard and Krabbenhoft are the two I'm talking about. Gard and Howard had already separated themselves, Krabbenhoft kept it going and escalated the situation. IMO...he should also be suspended.
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Disagree. He isn't pushing anyone. Once the coaches started chirping, all of the other coaches and a couple of players started coming up to de-escalate or defend their coach. Krabbenhoft was sort of just there, likely chirping back in defense of Gard, but he wasn't pushing anyone, he came up to where the barrier had been established between Michigan players and the Wisconsin side. At this point Howard was still chirping at Gard--it wasn't like the situation had de-escalated and Krabbenhoft came in and baited him. Howard out of nowhere comes around the side and smacks him in the face. Escalating to violence is 100% on Howard and JK doesn't retaliate. If Howard doesn't take the swing, literally no one would suggest anything about a suspension. It's 100% on Howard.
 
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I was going to start a post on a handshake line after the Tennessee game, but I didn't trust my own eyes so, I thought maybe I was wrong. However, I swear that after this year's Tennessee game, the Lady Vols huddled up before handshake line time and then, rather than walk the line, they went the other direction and into their locker room. Horston was the only one who went and shook UConn players' hands. I could not believe it. Did anyone else at that game notice it?
 
bballnut90 said:
Disagree. He isn't pushing anyone. Once the coaches started chirping, all of the other coaches and a couple of players started coming up to de-escalate or defend their coach. Krabbenhoft was sort of just there, likely chirping back in defense of Gard, but he wasn't pushing anyone, he came up to where the barrier had been established between Michigan players and the Wisconsin side. At this point Howard was still chirping at Gard--it wasn't like the situation had de-escalated and Krabbenhoft came in and baited him. Howard out of nowhere comes around the side and smacks him in the face. Escalating to violence is 100% on Howard and JK doesn't retaliate. If Howard doesn't take the swing, literally no one would suggest anything about a suspension. It's 100% on Howard.
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What's your definition of push? He was there because he came there. Watch the video and believe what you see. As a coach...he shouldn't have been chirping. Chirping, or whatever you want to call it...is escalation. He didn't need to defend Gard who was already separated from Howard. Separation...both head coaches headed in two different directions is de-escalation. And you're RIGHT...Howard came out of nowhere because...he had been leaving until....the assistant started the pushing. He should have been gathering his kids and heading to the locker room. Gard is gone and there was zero need to defend anything. It was over. You seem to think my issue is with Howard being suspended. It's not. I'm not buying this notion that the actions of others didn't contribute to an actual brawl. What Howard did has no bearing on the professional responsibilities of other coaches. They don't get a pass from me just because they got hit.
 
eebmg said:
That assumes both are equally culpable. (Questionable) And no guarantee Michigan even makes the tournament. They are deep in the bubble.
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Howard should have been fired immediately, throwing a punch at the other teams assistant coach is grounds for it. Two of his players went crazy after Howard’s initial swing, both gave good impression’s of Sugar Ray Leonard.
 
Keep it.

For me, the whole idea that your team and you can go to 'war' with another school and battle fiercely. But when the horn sounds and the game if over, win or lose, acknowledge your foe and move on. Take pride and give respect.
 
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