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BUConn10 said:
My counter is that roster selection is 100% Ollie's job. Who would you blame if the Lakers signed a team full of Nick Youngs? Would you blame the players, or Mitch Kupchak (pre-Magic Johnson reference).
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And that's fine. Still doesn't change the fact that we have a lot of parents interfering, a lot of kids who would have been laughed off the 2014 team. And then we hear reports that the seniors did not really see eye-to-eye with the younger guys.

Gee, I wonder why.

The whole thing we heard about Ollie in the NBA is that he set the tone for locker rooms, set the winning culture.
 
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lange10 said:
I get that. But I just want to call attention to those who defend Ollie to the grave that we have some serious problems right now because many still refuse to believe it.
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Do you think there are people here who are saying there are no serious problems right now?
 
lange10 said:
Have sources as well to backpack off the recent posts. Ollie has lost the locker room. Hence the full house clear out. The players do not fully trust his abilities to help them develop nor do they think he's that great of a coach. Many won't believe it, but it's true. He builds a relationship with these recruits and gets them to buy in and come but then behind closed doors once they're here he's a different man and the players aren't fond of it.
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Funny that Shabazz, Boat, Omar, DeAndre, Niels, etc. had all the excuse in the world to leave but didn't. They sure didn't seem to dislike KO.
 
Rocktheworld said:
Funny that Shabazz, Boat, Omar, DeAndre, Niels, etc. had all the excuse in the world to leave but didn't. They sure didn't seem to dislike KO.
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2012 KO was not 2017 KO. The terms and conditions have changed as did the game plan and philosophy.
 
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upstater said:
Do you think there are people here who are saying there are no serious problems right now?
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There are people here who wave the 2014 season around like a magic talisman that negates any of KO's flaws. He may not be the long term answer.
 
TRest said:
There are people here who wave the 2014 season around like a magic talisman that negates any of KO's flaws. He may not be the long term answer.
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You may be right. He may have developed amnesia or something, something absurd.
 
Rocktheworld said:
Really? Please expound. This is kind of bizarre to me.
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The man got divorced, also he stopped the whole Ollie-isms and bring the whole team with your arms around them to the post-game interview thing. The first year coach on a temporary contract and all the obstacles in the world against him isn't the same tone 5 years into the job with the seat heating up. And yes, the divorce was cited by the player I have been referencing.
 
BUConn10 said:
The man got divorced, also he stopped the whole Ollie-isms and bring the whole team with your arms around them to the post-game interview thing. Yes, the divorce was cited by the player I have been referencing.
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I was afraid you'd say that.

So when we all look back, a divorce is what ultimately tanked the once elite UConn Men's Basketball program. Like I said, bizarre. We were all led to believe that KO had all this resolve, to stick it out at UConn being homesick when his mother hung up on him his freshman year, to sticking around on 10-day contracts on 11 different teams across 13 seasons, which is what developed the massive respect he garners throughout the league. It makes no sense.
 
BUConn10 said:
The man got divorced, also he stopped the whole Ollie-isms and bring the whole team with your arms around them to the post-game interview thing. The first year coach on a temporary contract and all the obstacles in the world against him isn't the same tone 5 years into the job with the seat heating up. And yes, the divorce was cited by the player I have been referencing.
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All I know is the guy who upset Much State in Germany his first game was clearly loved by his players. I was stoked seeing them jump all over him after the game. That guy has been missing for a while.
 
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Rocktheworld said:
I was afraid you'd say that.

So when we all look back, a divorce is what ultimately tanked the once elite UConn Men's Basketball program. Like I said, bizarre. We were all led to believe that KO had all this resolve, to stick it out at UConn being homesick when his mother hung up on him his freshman year, to sticking around on 10-day contracts across 11 different teams, which is what developed the massive respect he garners throughout the league. It makes no sense.
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Yes that's exactly what I was arguing and you aren't jumping to conclusions to discredit what I'm saying. That the divorce will be the downfall of UConn basketball, exactly.

Awesome series of guided questions there by the way, you really cracked the case wide open.
 
College players being shown the door because their scholarship is needed or they aren't wanted anymore is not a new phenomenon. It's a harsh world. Those decisions will at some point be seen as good ones or bad ones.
 
lange10 said:
Have sources as well to backpack off the recent posts. Ollie has lost the locker room. Hence the full house clear out. The players do not fully trust his abilities to help them develop nor do they think he's that great of a coach. Many won't believe it, but it's true. He builds a relationship with these recruits and gets them to buy in and come but then behind closed doors once they're here he's a different man and the players aren't fond of it.
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I try hard to be completely objective when it comes to Ollie. Of all the things said, if he lost the locker room and that's how these kids think, then good riddance. They aren't the right kids. Ollie stayed 13 years in the league for owning the locker room. Seriously. The optics are bad, but all three kids who decided to leave weren't that good. They can think what they want. eventually, reality will set in.
 
BUConn10 said:
Yes that's exactly what I was arguing and you aren't jumping to conclusions to discredit what I'm saying. That the divorce will be the downfall of UConn basketball, exactly.

Awesome series of guided questions there by the way, you really cracked the case wide open.
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Pull the stick out of your ass
 
Rocktheworld said:
I was afraid you'd say that.

So when we all look back, a divorce is what ultimately tanked the once elite UConn Men's Basketball program. Like I said, bizarre. We were all led to believe that KO had all this resolve, to stick it out at UConn being homesick when his mother hung up on him his freshman year, to sticking around on 10-day contracts on 11 different teams across 13 seasons, which is what developed the massive respect he garners throughout the league. It makes no sense.
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I don't think it's any coincidence at all that the 'fall of UCONN' is occurring on the same timeline as the Fall of Tate George. Tate's shot launched UCONN on the front page of all MCBB publications. JC and Tate clearly made a pact with the Devil for a chance at greatness. And the bill has come due.

The only question remaining: Can UCONN overcome the Curse of Tate George? I just don't know.
 
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Rocktheworld said:
I was afraid you'd say that.

So when we all look back, a divorce is what ultimately tanked the once elite UConn Men's Basketball program. Like I said, bizarre. We were all led to believe that KO had all this resolve, to stick it out at UConn being homesick when his mother hung up on him his freshman year, to sticking around on 10-day contracts on 11 different teams across 13 seasons, which is what developed the massive respect he garners throughout the league. It makes no sense.
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Why doesn't it make sense people can and does completely change a person, most times not for the good.. It's been 5 yrs for me and I'll never be the same...I was told by a former beat writer, that Kevin is not the same person i covered years ago, he's not happy , and angry.
 
Banta55 said:
Why doesn't it make sense people can and does completely change a person, most times not for the good.. It's been 5 yrs for me and I'll never be the same...I was told by a former beat writer, that Kevin is not the same person i covered years ago, he's not happy , and angry.
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Divorce does i should've said I'm tired
 
Kevin ollie did underperformed this year. But to attribute most of the problem to him and not the players is unfair. He had to rely on very soft and fragile players who already left the program. If we had a healthy larrier, gilbert and Diarra. Some of the BS with the it sucks here locker room clique would not be taking place. This is big time athletics, they r over 18 and need to find their own way. I play one yr of division 3 ball. All it took is for one malcontent to screw up the team chemistry. Most of the time by taking too many shots, playing no defense or not showing up to practice. VJ went to 4 high schools, I already mentioned JD n Enoch earlier. These guys did not play defense period. You can be a star in high school by not playing defense. In college, that screws up team chemistry. You don't think ollie wants to get JD or Enoch more playing time at the expense of Brimah or Facey. The issue was that every time those guys came in, the lead evaporates. Ollie already give a hint to Enoch that he needs to work on his defense with the bogus best offensive big man at uconn stuff. That did not work now he still transfer. I don't know what the panic with losing the three runs. They don't play D, they barely rebound, they dont set good picks for the fast guards. They are not good for the locker room. It's addition by subtraction in my book. Cobb will be much better then Enoch by the simple fact that he will get the defensive rebound and can set a pick without fouling.
 
Whtdmd said:
Ollie already give a hint to Enoch that he needs to work on his defense with the bogus best offensive big man at UConn stuff. That did not work now he still transfer. I don't know what the panic with losing the three runs. They don't play D, they barely rebound, they dont set good picks for the fast guards. They are not good for the locker room. It's addition by subtraction in my book. Cobb will be much better then Enoch by the simple fact that he will get the defensive rebound and can set a pick without fouling.
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I liked your post, but to respond: the panic is because there's literally no viable options in place right now to take those minutes. Leaves gaping holes in the lineup.
 
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intlzncster said:
I liked your post, but to respond: the panic is because there's literally no viable options in place right now to take those minutes. Leaves gaping holes in the lineup.
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Yes there r. Their names r the Diarra twins, Cobb n Carlton. The front court will do no worse in the defensive or rebounding end compare with the 3 players that left. I think Ollie is going for 3 guard lineup up with Larrier at the 4 for at least 20 minutes. We need a 4th guard that can defend the 3. A big with a decent outside shot and a shot blocker. MAMADOU the first I heard is a big time defender n rebounder. He might surprise people. U don't really need any offense from the 5 in today's game. U need somebody to defend n rebound
 
Whtdmd said:
Yes there r. Their names r the Diarra twins, Cobb n Carlton. The front court will do no worse in the defensive or rebounding end compare with the 3 players that left. I think Ollie is going for 3 guard lineup up with Larrier at the 4 for at least 20 minutes. We need a 4th guard that can defend the 3. A big with a decent outside shot and a shot blocker. MAMADOU the first I heard is a big time defender n rebounder. He might surprise people. U don't really need any offense from the 5 in today's game. U need somebody to defend n rebound
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There are a couple of viable potential options.

1. Our Diarra. We have no idea if he'll be good to go this year or if his injury will rear it's ugly head again (as that type is want to do). He'll be raw (offensively) too.
2. Cobb. Potential to be a serviceable guy. But having to rely on him for 30 minutes scares the piss out of me. Adams is going to have to drag him by the collar just to get him up and down the court at the end of games.
4. Carlton. Who knows? He's a frosh. Certainly not someone you can count on relying upon. Maybe he surprises.
3. The other Diarra hasn't even committed. Heard he is raw as can be tho.
 
intlzncster said:
There are a couple of viable potential options.
1. Our Diarra. We have no idea if he'll be good to go this year or if his injury will rear it's ugly head again (as that type is want to do). He'll be raw (offensively) too.
2. Cobb. Potential to be a serviceable guy. But having to rely on him for 30 minutes scares the piss out of me. Adams is going to have to drag him by the collar just to get him up and down the court at the end of games.
4. Carlton. Who knows? He's a frosh. Certainly not someone you can count on relying upon. Maybe he surprises.
3. The other Diarra hasn't even committed. Heard he is raw as can be tho.
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Obviously Polley, Diarra, Cobb and Carlton are going to be playing a lot of minutes.

It's a shame MAL decommitted, because if he had stayed, you could have had Larrier playing the 4 primarily.
 
BUConn10 said:
True, guys left during Calhoun tenure too, but the difference was Calhoun always had a functioning rotation and planned for future seasons properly. Transfers with nothing left to replace them is the exact type of turnover that drains a program's talent pool and creates compounding bad season after season.
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That's why he was smart to get out of Dodge before the apr sanctions hit.
 
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