Just Seem Like Pettiness to me Coach

[hoophuskee]

Hoophuskee - Kindly dial back the hostility a notch.

Thanks.

How can I PM you?

 

[Geew1992]

Colgate got a pretty good deal thanks to Syracuse saying no last year. I assume (hope) Kyla Irwin will play all four years and hopefully her senior year she will get to play in her hometown at Penn State. I seem to remember that in his the early days at UConn Geno asked Rene Portland for a game (they were the beast of the east in WCBB then) and she said no - and they haven't played except in tournaments since then. If not Bucknell is the next closest and although they are a tourney team this year it wouldn't be quite the same.

They played Penn State in the last few years since Washington became coach. Penn State gave Uconn a good game too.

 

[hjoerring]

For some people 'asking twice amounts to begging'. So, Uconn does not beg! Not much to come after there! As for the game- that never happened-- with Cuse, I can understand their Program refusing to schedule it for selfish reasons. By playing Uconn they would have given us a platform to showcase Steward, an open window for local recruits, etc. It was a no win situation for them. This isn't so much about an individual player as it is about building your house and securing enough materials. Now it is Cuse's time to ask for a game- if they want one to happen. If Geno says NO. Remember when ... well that would be petty. I doubt he would go there.
Uconn will play anyone anywhere is a bit trite. The irony for us is that we are more dependent on the good of the usual suspects-- top dogs-- to play than they are to play us. At least until the AAC becomes better.

 

[cabbie191]

I don't think a case be made for this. I think it rather ridiculous actually. I think the case is more of not wanting such a close geographical rival which could affect their bottomline.

Maybe, maybe not: the following quote is from an article in written in 2011 that originated in the Boston Globe. (Note - - I don't know the date of the original article in the Globe.

While Syracuse presented no problem, UConn did - to BC, which was still fuming over what it perceived to be vitriolic comments made when BC was finally invited to join the ACC and started competing in 2005. UConn and Pittsburgh filed a lawsuit against BC, and Calhoun made comments about never playing BC again.

 

[iamcbs]

Do you mean Tenn? If so, I agree (certainly not all BYers do) that it would be great if a game could be scheduled. But I think your point is one-sided. First, we're not sure that Holly and Tenn are on board. Second, Geno has said that Tenn must apologize to Maya and her mom. Whatever the "facts" in this situation (and what are "facts" after all these years?), that was Geno's stand, and, as a gesture of noblesse oblige, I doubt very much that he will back down. That's not pettiness...that's a matter of honor and of supporting your player. But in any case, IIRC, Geno has mentioned that something might be in the works with Tenn in the future.

Oh, so you mean Syracuse (from subsequent comments and the game tonight)? Again, they insulted one of Geno's players. He's passionate about that and it's he who is rising above pettiness by trying to teach fellow coaches that it's not about the coaches, but the players.

Syracuse did not insult any Connecticut player, Coach Q just refused to schedule Connecticut so that Breanna Stewart could play a game in her hometown her Sr. year. That is neither insulting nor disrespectful. I happen to agree with Coach Q, that if Stewie wanted to play in the Carrier Dome, which is about 10 minutes from her parents house, then she should have gone to Syracuse. He was under no obligation to accommodate either Stiewie or Connecticut and he didn't. As for the whole TN kerfuffle, Pat Summitt is dead, Maya Moore is long gone from Connecticut and I'm sure her Mom doesn't care about any of it at this point. No one but Connecticut fans and ESPiN are clamoring for another game against TN, they aren't an elite program anymore, hell they aren't even a very good team.

 

[CocoHusky]

Syracuse did not insult any Connecticut player, Coach Q just refused to schedule Connecticut so that Breanna Stewart could play a game in her hometown her Sr. year. That is neither insulting nor disrespectful. I happen to agree with Coach Q, that if Stewie wanted to play in the Carrier Dome, which is about 10 minutes from her parents house, then she should have gone to Syracuse. He was under no obligation to accommodate either Stiewie or Connecticut and he didn't. As for the whole TN kerfuffle, Pat Summitt is dead, Maya Moore is long gone from Connecticut and I'm sure her Mom doesn't care about any of it at this point. No one but Connecticut fans and ESPiN are clamoring for another game against TN, they aren't an elite program anymore, hell they aren't even a very good team.

How can you be so "sure" Maya's mom doesn't care? Is it OK for us to care for her?

 

[ASweet3781]

If Q is under no such obligation to agree to Stewart's homecoming, why is Geno under any obligation to schedule Syracuse in the future when he clearly has no problems putting together an elite non conference schedule?

It should also be noted Syracuse was apparently not supportive of UConn getting added to the ACC when it came down adding us and Louisville a couple years ago. If any Power 5 team wants to play us so bad let their President's and conference commish know that the greatest women's team on the planet is of value to their league. Perhaps it would have saved Maryland from being a 3 seed.

UConn owes Syracuse nothing. And in the list of petty things in college sports the last decade, this barely registers a yawn. I would suggest to the OP, get a thicker skin.

 

[cabbie191]

Syracuse did not insult any Connecticut player, Coach Q just refused to schedule Connecticut so that Breanna Stewart could play a game in her hometown her Sr. year. That is neither insulting nor disrespectful. I happen to agree with Coach Q, that if Stewie wanted to play in the Carrier Dome, which is about 10 minutes from her parents house, then she should have gone to Syracuse. He was under no obligation to accommodate either Stiewie or Connecticut and he didn't. As for the whole TN kerfuffle, Pat Summitt is dead, Maya Moore is long gone from Connecticut and I'm sure her Mom doesn't care about any of it at this point. No one but Connecticut fans and ESPiN are clamoring for another game against TN, they aren't an elite program anymore, hell they aren't even a very good team.

Of course Hillsman didn't have an obligation to schedule a game with UConn. But it would have been a common courtesy to the Stewart family and the larger Syracuse community that had followed her career to have done so. And has been mentioned before, it's likely his own players would have enjoyed playing in front of a larger crowd than the 350 that came to see them play instead against Coppin State.

Now, I know this would have been hard for him, and perhaps a bit politically incorrect, but I would have respected Q more if he had been more publicly honest about not scheduling the game because he was unhappy Stewie didn't attend Syracuse, rather than the nonsense about not being able to "accommodate" UConn's request. He abviously knew four years in advance when Stewie would be a senior, and he's been in the game long enough, and knows Auriemma well enough, to know that the Huskies try and schedule these homecoming games for their seniors

 

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[Bajan Best]

If Q is under no such obligation to agree to Stewart's homecoming, why is Geno under any obligation to schedule Syracuse in the future when he clearly has no problems putting together an elite non conference schedule?

It should also be noted Syracuse was apparently not supportive of UConn getting added to the ACC when it came down adding us and Louisville a couple years ago. If any Power 5 team wants to play us so bad let their President's and conference commish know that the greatest women's team on the planet is of value to their league. Perhaps it would have saved Maryland from being a 3 seed.

UConn owes Syracuse nothing. And in the list of petty things in college sports the last decade, this barely registers a yawn. I would suggest to the OP, get a thicker skin.

LOL, They are no locks in this world strong enough to imprison the truth...
My skin is perfectly made to handle both wisdom and the opposite thereof..

 

[Bayareahusky]

If Q is under no such obligation to agree to Stewart's homecoming, why is Geno under any obligation to schedule Syracuse in the future when he clearly has no problems putting together an elite non conference schedule?

It should also be noted Syracuse was apparently not supportive of UConn getting added to the ACC when it came down adding us and Louisville a couple years ago. If any Power 5 team wants to play us so bad let their President's and conference commish know that the greatest women's team on the planet is of value to their league. Perhaps it would have saved Maryland from being a 3 seed.

UConn owes Syracuse nothing. And in the list of petty things in college sports the last decade, this barely registers a yawn. I would suggest to the OP, get a thicker skin.

Yes how true with the rebuff Syracuse gave us for the ACC.... they have always been right behind BC in their opposition to having competition in the Northeast..... Syracuse wants to claim the Greater NYC area as Orange Country..... I am glad that Rutgers and the Big 10 have taken a big bite out of that.... UConn still looms as a big part of that market.... if one of the P5 conferences wants to move on it and the barriers - like BC and Syracuse - can be overcome

 

[CMC'72]

I believe it was Father Glynn of St Matthews of Forestville who taught me early on that "You can never beat a dead horse too much or too often."

In light of his wisdom, I realized that every single one of our posts missed the most important quote from Hillsman that originally fed the fire, at least for me.

First, I want to say to Bhajan that I always enjoy your posts. Even this comment, I take it as an opinion, nothing more or less. You certainly intended no harm.

I went back through the articles presented in the earlier posts, and not one carried the remark that set the tone for me on this whole flagrant foul conversation.

Here is what Hillsman said, directly: "Why should we schedule Breanna here at Syracuse? She had a chance to play here, and she chose somewhere else. So let her stick to the place she chose. We will not schedule a game for her here."

This was either a video on SNY, or in a Courant article, or in another place.

But please, this did happen. And that was where my own opinion was born.

Let's assume that is true, and now, who was petty and who was gracious?

That was the match that struck this fire. IMHO.

I'm guessing, Bhajan, you never heard this quote.

(OK, the horse is dead. Again.)

C

 

[DefenseBB]

Not specifically in defense of Syracuse, more a critique of UCONN, Breanna Stewart homecoming should have been long before Syracuse had an opportunity to fill up its schedule. Stewie was the National POY as a sophomore that is plenty of time to ask Syracuse and if the answer is no then you publically shame them into it. Kia and Gabby will get homecoming games next year and I think UCLA is back on the schedule so KLS will get a homecoming. Napheesa? Azura?

Umm we may not know when the scheduling efforts occurred so let's not try. For Napheesa it may we'll be Missouri given their upturn. Azura has yet to earn anything like a homecoming game so that is premature. Not saying it won't happen but there is time.

 

[CocoHusky]

Azura has yet to earn anything like a homecoming game so that is premature. Not saying it won't happen but there is time.

I'm not sure where there is time for Azura since she may leave at the conclusion of next season & next season's scheduled just closed. Certainly Morgan Tuck earned a home coming but I don't remember her getting one.

 

[BroadwayVa]

I will say you are one of the biggest fans, behind me. Geno isn't holding a grudge. He did take the higher ground, when asked by ESPN to play Tennessee he stated Pat needed to make a public apology to him, UConn, Maya and her mother. What Pat did was wrong, and it could have destroyed a beautiful built program, and hurt a lot of innocent people. Just because a recruit choose another school, a person do not have a right to make the allegations Pat made. Also, if Geno held a grudge, him and Kathy wouldn't have made a large contribution to Pat's foundation.

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It will be a cold day in Hell before Pat apologizes!! Of that you can be sure. That's probably why Geno and Family donated to Pats foundation. Personally, in my days of heavily disliking--you would never have found me in anything U Tn or Pat Summit ever ever again.
I have mellowed--now nothing, especially sports, is that important---the world has revolved around some isolate point too far to find in 1000000000000 life times many many times since the INCIDENT. Maya has moved on--certainly Pat has moved on----should UT play UC---who cares---it is not at all important outside of Knoxville or Storrs. For HONOR---of someone many had no knowledge of ---something like 30 million young men and civilians died---WWI----Honor -?

 

[BroadwayVa]

I'm not sure where there is time for Azura since she may leave at the conclusion of next season & next season's scheduled just closed. Certainly Morgan Tuck earned a home coming but I don't remember her getting one.

If Geno were to have scheduled a "home coming" for Azura--he would be certain she was bailing out next year---Good catch--where would Morgans' hometown/ home coming happen? Possibly Geno saw a 5th year??

 

[DefenseBB]

I'm not sure where there is time for Azura since she may leave at the conclusion of next season & next season's scheduled just closed. Certainly Morgan Tuck earned a home coming but I don't remember her getting one.

If Azura leaves after one year, you are correct though I suspect that is not the commitment that Geno got from her. IMO he has not taken any transfers to have them leave before eligibility is up. Nat is our only data point in this so it's not like I am on solid ground here. I just suspect Z will stay 2 years. Morgan was more nuanced as she was hurt and I know she intended to come back but her play dominated and Geno endorsed her leaving as she has limited time in that knee. So My best guess is Geno would have scheduled someone in Illinois for Morgan but the situation changed. Z is under no such concerns.

 

[BroadwayVa]

Wow! Poster says that it is good to take high road and is called sickening. I'm not sure I agree with the view, but that's more than a bit much.

I want to know what UConn player was insulted. Could someone please inform me on that? Thanks.

None, to my knowledge, that are here now.

 

[Bajan Best]

I believe it was Father Glynn of St Matthews of Forestville who taught me early on that "You can never beat a dead horse too much or too often."

In light of his wisdom, I realized that every single one of our posts missed the most important quote from Hillsman that originally fed the fire, at least for me.

First, I want to say to Bhajan that I always enjoy your posts. Even this comment, I take it as an opinion, nothing more or less. You certainly intended no harm.

I went back through the articles presented in the earlier posts, and not one carried the remark that set the tone for me on this whole flagrant foul conversation.

Here is what Hillsman said, directly: "Why should we schedule Breanna here at Syracuse? She had a chance to play here, and she chose somewhere else. So let her stick to the place she chose. We will not schedule a game for her here."

This was either a video on SNY, or in a Courant article, or in another place.

But please, this did happen. And that was where my own opinion was born.

Let's assume that is true, and now, who was petty and who was gracious?

That was the match that struck this fire. IMHO.

I'm guessing, Bhajan, you never heard this quote.

(OK, the horse is dead. Again.)

C

I did hear it.. Not defending Syracuse at all, I really don't care what they do..
Geno is my Hero, it is his light that I want to always shine bright
I believe I stated two wrongs never made a right...
which should tell anyone that I was never in support of what Syracuse did..

 

[DefenseBB]

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It will be a cold day in Hell before Pat apologizes!! Of that you can be sure. That's probably why Geno and Family donated to Pats foundation. Personally, in my days of heavily disliking--you would never have found me in anything U Tn or Pat Summit ever ever again.
I have mellowed--now nothing, especially sports, is that important---the world has revolved around some isolate point too far to find in 1000000000000 life times many many times since the INCIDENT. Maya has moved on--certainly Pat has moved on----should UT play UC---who cares---it is not at all important outside of Knoxville or Storrs. For HONOR---of someone many had no knowledge of ---something like 30 million young men and civilians died---WWI----Honor -?

I don't know how many times I or others have to say this but one more time for the team:
Geno made amends with Pat and has donated to her foundation and even went to the memorial in her honor. He has spoken well of her and her contributions. His point is and I agree with, during the initial "spat" both programs move on and found other ways to grow the game. UConn developed the rivalry with ND and we know they don't hang out chatting Philly times so please let's just stop with the wrong conjecture. We have a GAME TONIGHT,

 

[CocoHusky]

If Azura leaves after one year, you are correct though I suspect that is not the commitment that Geno got from her. IMO he has not taken any transfers to have them leave before eligibility is up. Nat is our only data point in this so it's not like I am on solid ground here. I just suspect Z will stay 2 years. Morgan was more nuanced as she was hurt and I know she intended to come back but her play dominated and Geno endorsed her leaving as she has limited time in that knee. So My best guess is Geno would have scheduled someone in Illinois for Morgan but the situation changed. Z is under no such concerns.

Kiah Stokes get a homecoming?
Kelly Faris?

 

[CocoHusky]

If Geno were to have scheduled a "home coming" for Azura--he would be certain she was bailing out next year---Good catch--where would Morgans' hometown/ home coming happen? Possibly Geno saw a 5th year??

Morgan's sister played at Illinois-close enough.

 

[BroadwayVa]

You would be wrong.


It is not a personal grudge. It is not pettiness. It's justifiable honor.


The high ground IS to NOT ever schedule them again. EVER!

[mod edit: personal insult]

Meyers7---on the Tenn/Uconn Maya issue you are an expert--you along time ago directed me to the NCAA report on the subject. I read it and
saw what you saw--the were really bad parts.
When a politician speak of doing something for Mental health--he is cheered loudly. Mental health seems to have reached a point of support by the populous---here is the 1000000 dollar question: If all this was brought about by a Pat whose mental abilities were on a downward spiral--would you feel the same --would you accept it was the disease an not Pat.
2 part question to understand the first part: Did Tn do this before i.e. was this their mode of operation or a one time issue??
I'm sure with your expertise in this matter you would know these answers--.. Thanks.

 

[BroadwayVa]

Wow! Poster says that it is good to take high road and is called sickening. I'm not sure I agree with the view, but that's more than a bit much.

I want to know what UConn player was insulted. Could someone please inform me on that? Thanks.

I don't know
If insults is the right word---those implicated were : ESPN, Maya, Sue,DT, Geno, and the entire program

 

[Oldbones]

Well-played pot-stirring Bajan best:

Over 100 replies, over 3000 views, a Megan-Walkerish level of participation from the BY accomplishing

Diagnosis: too much time between competitive games. Solution: Bring on the female superheroes.

 

[HuskyNan]

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It will be a cold day in Hell before Pat apologizes!! Of that you can be sure. That's probably why Geno and Family donated to Pats foundation. Personally, in my days of heavily disliking--you would never have found me in anything U Tn or Pat Summit ever ever again.
I have mellowed--now nothing, especially sports, is that important---the world has revolved around some isolate point too far to find in 1000000000000 life times many many times since the INCIDENT. Maya has moved on--certainly Pat has moved on----should UT play UC---who cares---it is not at all important outside of Knoxville or Storrs. For HONOR---of someone many had no knowledge of ---something like 30 million young men and civilians died---WWI----Honor -?

Pat Summitt passed away last year.