Just an observation... re: Dan Hurley

[Chief00]

I’m sure he can get an assistant job somewhere fairly major. He’s got plenty of people that would vouch for him. He was an exemplary NBA player, won a national championship as a coach and by most accounts, he handled himself like a pro for 22 of a 24 year career.

Employers tend to not want to hire employees who engage in frivolous, endless duration employment lawsuits. Why would any employer make that choice especially since most NBA coaches do get fired sooner or later?

 

[djct1999]

It’s not his anymore. The only thing he is chasing is his tail.

Did he stop chasing other tail?

 

[brasssbonanzaa]

wow cant believe this thread got derailed into an ollie discussion

 

[djct1999]

Employers tend to not want to hire employees who engage in frivolous, endless duration employment lawsuits. Why would any employer make that choice especially since most NBA coaches do get fired sooner or later?

Jerome Allen is an assistant coach for the Celtics and just got a huge show cause from the ncaa. If Ollie is good enough, someone in the NBA would hire him.

 

[uconngb]

Jerome Allen is an assistant coach for the Celtics and just got a huge show cause from the ncaa. If Ollie is good enough, someone in the NBA would hire him.

Then why hasn’t it happened yet? The longer he’s out of basketball the less likely he gets hired I would think.

 

[djct1999]

Then why hasn’t it happened yet? The longer he’s out of basketball the less likely he gets hired I would think.

Maybe he is not that good at coaching basketball. Him not being hired in the NBA has nothing to do with this litigation. They don’t care.

or maybe he doesn’t want it. I have no idea. Other than that the nba could care less about this lawsuit.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

1 more time. You all keep bringing up his motivations. I can’t argue against anyone’s motivations. He’s going about it horribly. That’s what’s painting him in a horrible light right now

There is very little most of the posters on this board wouldn't do for $10 million, so everyone needs to stop attacking Ollie for wanting to get paid.

 

[djct1999]

There is very little most of the posters on this board wouldn't do for $10 million, so everyone needs to stop attacking Ollie for wanting to get paid.

Especially, if they feel they are deserving of that 10 million, right or wrong. Both sides should have settled a long time ago. Instead, Ollie is at a point of no return.

 

[Mr. Hand]

There is very little most of the posters on this board wouldn't do for $10 million, so everyone needs to stop attacking Ollie for wanting to get paid.

Speak for yourself.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Speak for yourself.

I assume you are kidding.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Especially, if they feel they are deserving of that 10 million, right or wrong. Both sides should have settled a long time ago. Instead, Ollie is at a point of no return.

It's a fight over money. There is rarely a point of no return. There may be a point where both sides are incorrectly calculating the probability of winning outright, which could be causing the problem, or if there are misaligned incentives with either party.

Ollie's lawyers are likely strong incented to settle, and they will advise him accordingly. On the other hand, the school's lawyers, or members of the UConn administration that have influence in this process, may have incentives that diverge from the school's. The biggest scumbag lawyers in the world are civil defense attorneys, because they will milk a case for years to run up fees, regardless of what is best for their client.

 

[dantheman]

FYI- its been reported and is standard practice that the arbitration clause calls for attorneys fees and costs to be awarded to the prevailing party. If Ollie wins $1, his attorneys would then submit their reported 7 figure bill to be added in addition to what the favorable ruling is. Should Ollie het zeroed, he is stuck with the Attorney General’s bill.

Second, Ollie could be found to have breached his contract and still prevail at arbitration, as the arbitrator has ruled that the professors collective bargaining agreement governs and supercedes the contract. Why this matters is that the CBA only allows for dismissal without severance for serious/significant misconduct, which is a significantly higher standard than a just breaching an employment contract.

 

[Citrusdog]

Well, it’s been 2 years tying himself up in knots with this law firm that keeps making this case more important in his life, since they have burnt every other bridge. At some point it’s on KO, for not figurging this out.

I love KO. But, his personal difficulties brought on the situation regarding his coaching status. He made some mistakes - really screwed up his life and family and now is pursuing an avenue of entitlement - tainted with pride. I don't know the 'legalities' or specifics of his contract but; I would recommend he get his 'real life' together first. Rather than throw a fit over money/contracts/whatever. I think his personal peace, sanity - and family should be his focus. But like most - he is allowing anger, revenge and bitterness drive his actions. I witness the man's personal health and responsibilities. (I know nothing of the contract or obligations - so I cannot speak to that.) Is achieving this result going to make him feel better? He needs to make sure his children are okay mentally and emotionally - after the debacle he brought on to his family. The lawsuit thing is merely just something I've heard a psychologist friend of mine call 'displacement'. He is trying funnel his emotions (anger, bitterness, revenge, disappointment, etc...) - somewhere - because punching wall is is not feeding the need. If a contract states he is to be paid - pay him. If not - don't. Justice and truth must survive. Personal feelings, emotions and being part of a prior team - don't matter. Enlisting others to stoke a media stunt for pressure - shows poor character. Oh, that's right - lawyers are involved... Kevin Ollie needs to make things right - with his family. KO, thefamily is more important - than your lawsuit.

 

[Chief00]

Jerome Allen is an assistant coach for the Celtics and just got a huge show cause from the ncaa. If Ollie is good enough, someone in the NBA would hire him.

And has Jerome been suing his former employer for 2 years?

 

[mauconnfan]

Speak for yourself.

Nah he's speaking for a lot of people. Most of us aren't making 10M in 3-4 years so I'm guessing none of us understand completely but it's funny how some still attack.

 

[Mr. Hand]

I assume you are kidding.

I guess I'm just a better person than most.

 

[Chief00]

Jerome Allen is an assistant coach for the Celtics and just got a huge show cause from the ncaa. If Ollie is good enough, someone in the NBA would hire him.

Just to be clear, KO’s NBA issue isn’t the NCAA show cause, it’s the frivolous and endless employer lawsuit.

 

[Dogdeacon]

Of the year?

Honestly, I am not sure I can remember a player coming as far as he has.

Give him most improved in all of recorded history.

UConn wise I think its either Whaley or Toraino Walker's 'where did he come from!?' emergence in the BE Tournament way back when.

 

[Kitaman]

Bullsh**. If KO told them not to do it they wouldn’t have done it. He signed off on it. You can understand hiS “WHY” and also completely disagree with his “HOW”. It’s impossible to defend the way he’s moving at this point

I hear you but would you leave $10 million on the table if you felt you were screwed? Its not chump change, and who knows a settlement may be reached to bring it to an end.

Just saying whether right or wrong, its understandable why he's his lawyers are pursuing it. His wife got a lot of alimony loot, he still has a family and he's out of a good job. That money would help his situation (now and forever) significantly.

Not a justification but a possible explanation.

 

[tennmike]

I hear you but would you leave $10 million on the table if you felt you were screwed? Its not chump change, and who knows a settlement may be reached to bring it to an end.

Just saying whether right or wrong, its understandable why he's his lawyers are pursuing it. His wife got a lot of alimony loot, he still has a family and he's out of a good job. That money would help his situation (now and forever) significantly.

Not a justification but a possible explanation.

His wife got a lot of alimony loot, he still has a family and he's out of a good job. That money would help his situation significantly.

KO is still a young man. The longer he pursues this "rape and pillage" path - or at least does not put reasonable guardrails on his lawyer's arguments - he is less likely to be employable in the future. Why piss away years of earning opportunity when his case is technically a loser? His attorney, and perhaps KO, grossly misjudged the administration's aversion to bad PR - assuming the school would settle (even with a strong case) for some significant fraction of $10 million. They didn't and were not bluffing.

 

[pj]

I have come to realize that KO really did get a raw deal. He was hand picked to fill a role that he was ill equipped for. He was dealt a great hand initially, but he was unable to reload. He was basically doomed to fail long term.

A lot of people would like to get a raw deal that pays them $3 million per year.

 

[Husky25]

Weren't we talking about Danny Hurley?

Good Heavens. The Boneyard could turn a thread about avocados into whether Ollie and UConn should settle.

 

[Hans Sprungfeld]

Weren't we talking about Danny Hurley?

Good Heavens. The Boneyard could turn a thread about avocados into whether Ollie and UConn should settle.

It's a beautiful thing, right?

 

[Hans Sprungfeld]

I think we should as a collective boneyard all have a few cocktails then reconvene in the chat room to express our true feelings about KO. It may not be constructive but it would be entertaining.

Rare instance of a terrible idea that could be just crazy enough to work, as long as the definition of "work" is fluid.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

KO is still a young man. The longer he pursues this "rape and pillage" path - or at least does not put reasonable guardrails on his lawyer's arguments - he is less likely to be employable in the future. Why piss away years of earning opportunity when his case is technically a loser? His attorney, and perhaps KO, grossly misjudged the administration's aversion to bad PR - assuming the school would settle (even with a strong case) for some significant fraction of $10 million. They didn't and were not bluffing.

You would sell your family members to a Bangkok brothel for $10 million, so don't complain that Ollie is doing any pillaging.

Do you know how rich people got and stay rich? By not walking away from $10 million.

 

[SwingDog]

Dan Hurley is clearly a basketball junkie; he was obviously raised with it and knows the game, inside and out, and understands the life lessons the game can teach. He is at once a fiery competitor and a man who wears his heart on his sleeve; one who genuinely cares for those around him. For me the most striking difference between Hurley and Ollie, is that Coach Hurley is a better motivator, and appears better able to build a collective camaraderie. Coach Hurley also has more coaching experience, whereas Kevin Ollie, though respected as player and assistant coach, was untested as a head coach. To be honest, hiring KO was a bigger risk than I think many people realized at the time. Personally, even though he was handpicked by Jim Calhoun, I was only cautiously optimistic, and my deeper concerns proved to be true in relatively short time. At the time, the popular notion was that Ollie's strength would be in his ability to recruit, but even with that he would still need to be able to assemble a team and inspire them to reach their highest potential which he never seemed to be able to do.

It is a messy and sad state of affairs as far as the falling out between KO and the University. I do hope there can be healing and reconciliation but it doesn't appear that will begin to happen anytime soon. My take on the legal aspect is that I want to see justice rendered; if that means KO is entitled to compensation, so be it. If not, then he needs to be able to move forward with his life. Hopefully, either way, there can be a good outcome. One thing that is troubling is KO's allegation of racial discrimination against the University, that he was treated differently than Calhoun would have been, because of race. That's an allegation that cuts deep. I don't know if that's just a ploy from his attorneys to throw as much stuff as they can against the wall, hoping something will stick or if it's actually the case, but such an allegation is tough to walk back. We'll see how it goes.

 

[Watchdog]

All I can say is it's about time Ollie's lawsuit, his contract, his personal problems and his personal and professional peccadilloes were finally and fully addressed here. It was long overdue............maybe next week we could start one on Dom Perno?

 

[Slick]

A lot of people would like to get a raw deal that pays them $3 million per year.

I would happily take a one million per year deal!!

 

[Palatine]

What's silly is the NCAA has already validated UConn's case for show cause. This is the defination of a nuisance lawsuit. He's just hoping to make it uncomfortable enough that UConn pays him to go away.

 

[Citrusdog]

The energy generated from emotions - must go somewhere. This is a form of 'displacement'. I'm more interested in the well being of the children - and they're not even mine.