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soxfan23 said:
Watch this and then tell me she has a good handle. The first play of the game, she immediately picks up her dribble and turtles at the first sign of a double team. She repeatedly gets beat off the dribble on defense, she has trouble getting to the spots she wants to with the ball in her hands on offense, she is just not the same player! Yes, she is well built, but she is too undersized to take advantage of that at the next level! She is really going to struggle with the length at the 3 in college, both offensively and defensively. She was invisible for the majority of this game, that should never happen for the #1 ranked player in the country playing against mediocre talent! Is she still a good player? Yes, of course she is, she is just not the same player that she was!

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This is the game that I watched. If @hoophuskee watched this game and did not see what we saw, he was not watching closely. It's just one game but she looked hindered in this one game.
 
soxfan23 said:
I know this is going to be considered blasphemy on this board, but Fudd is extremely overrated right now. I realize that it is extremely tough coming back from a bad injury like Fudd suffered, but she just does not look anything close to the best player in the country. Don't get me wrong, she is still as smart and savvy a basketball player as you will ever find, she has an amazing pull up, she is lights out if left open behind the arc, she is a tremendous leader the way she is always picking her team up, and she plays extremely hard! She just doesn't have that "it" factor that she used to have! She is obviously not fully back yet, but she looks extremely slow right now, she was never really an elite athlete, it's just that her lack of athleticism really stands out now. She doesn't have the handle or speed to play the 1 in college like some have suggested. She is a below average defender at this point, lacking the length to alter shots and the foot speed and lateral quickness to defend the drive. She struggled to get separation to get open and was very inactive without the ball on offense. Again, I know it is very early in her recovery and I hope she really gets back to form as time goes on because she has worked so hard and deserves it. I still would like her to commit to UConn, but I wouldn't be heart broken if she went somewhere else.
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If you removed the emotionally charged words such as "overrated, blasphemy & it factor " from you post you might get more people to agree. Suffice to say the Azzi on those tapes is not the Azzi of old. Caroline Doty, Morgan Tuck, Gabby Willians, all recovered from prep injuries to have stellar UCONN careers. Doty & Tuck are especially good comparisons because much like Azzi thier games were not based on super athleticism but efficiency. Before this injury Azzi was as efficient a basketball player as there was. You touch on some of this, that pull up jumper was usually after she had beaten the defender with a jab or head fake. Tim recently remarked that they had actually measure Azzi release and found it comparable to only Clay Thompson and Steph Curry. That level of efficiency can be regained in time in the same was it originally gained-by working in the gym. Azzi has a full season of HS basketball remaining and 12 months before will have to be on Campus at UCONN.
One other data point. Two years ago Elauna Eaton (former UCONN prospect) and Caroline Ducharme attended USA basketball trials after mending from knee injuries. Like Azzi in these video neither player resembled their former self. Today Caroline Ducharme looks much better than her former self and will be pressing some people hard for minutes once she gets on the UCONN campus.
 
hoophuskee said:
Her handle was not "FAIR." It was terrific but then again I also saw the Indy game and this Riverside game so I'm adding the 2. But there is no such thing as a guard who doesn't occasionally get a ball swiped from them unless they are Jon Stockton etc. **When any player drives to the basket - sometimes they are going to get an occasional ball swiped away." A scorer driving inside is going to get an occasional ball swiped. She won't get the ball swiped away near as much if she doesn't drive at all. So imo the example you are giving is irrelevant.

I don;t know what to say about quickness. Did you watch the 1st half vs Riverside? The player she was defending struggled to handle the ball around her. And there is no such thing as playing good positional defense?-- You must be very quick otherwise you are a sub-par defender? You can't be "at least" "average" if you play good position defense?

And -- she didn't stand out like she used to? You have other summer league games from prior years to point as an example? She didn't even play an entire 1st half vs Riverside, looks like her team is getting beaten pretty good inside, and she got 12 points while being hurt for a bit (and missed two jumpers while probably hurt) yet she didn't stand out? What is she supposed to do-- get 20 in a half or she is not elite? And it looks like her team isn't very good either. Take a look at that Indy Gym Rat game-- they are DELIBERATELY leaving other players open and coming at her with her with a 2nd player 20 - 25 and plus feet from the basket. But she doesn't stand out????

And this isn't H/S regular-season hoop either in which the team wants her to take 25 shots I believe. I could be wrong. But I tend to think in these games one player doesn't take over. Am I wrong about that? SO how much is she going to stand out if team is also going to let other players also be featured?

Let me be frank-- I don't think you know what you're talking about regarding her leg other than she has had the prior injury and maybe it's related. That's a wild guess any of us can make. But that's just it-- it's a guess. But we don't know. You were right it seems she hurt herself. But conditioning? I guess one can make a statement and just claim any injury is "conditioning."

And yes we did see 2 different games. How many nice passes did she make and her teammates didn't finish? Her team just doesn't look very good. Am I wrong?

As far as keeping her commitment if she committed to UCONN early. Huh? I don't understand your point here. Any player that gives a verbal but without a LOI-- there is always some degree of concern, right? We've even had players who signed a LOI end up not coming, right? So what's your point? I am not arguing. Just don't understand your point unless it is just stating the obvious of --- "be concerned with anyone until they start to play?" We've even had a player after a few practices leave and go to Miss State, right?
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Paige stands out when she is not featured. As far as keeping a commitment, that was not about Fudd but the posters who want an early commitment. First we are concerned if she will commit and then when she does with so much time left before LOI time, we worry if she will honor it. It has happened before. That is my point. If she was not so highly regarded, it would not matter so much. What Collier did can make some of us fans a little wary until a player has signed. Just my opinion.
 
CocoHusky said:
If you removed the emotionally charged words such as "overrated, blasphemy & it factor " from you post you might get more people to agree. Suffice to say the Azzi on those tapes is not the Azzi of old. Caroline Doty, Morgan Tuck, Gabby Willians, all recovered from prep injuries to have stellar UCONN careers. Doty & Tuck are especially good comparisons because much like Azzi thier games were not based on super athleticism but efficiency. Before this injury Azzi was as efficient a basketball player as there was. You touch on some of this, that pull up jumper was usually after she had beaten the defender with a jab or head fake. Tim recently remarked that they had actually measure Azzi release and found it comparable to only Clay Thompson and Steph Curry. That level of efficiency can be regained in time in the same was it originally gained-by working in the gym. Azzi has a full season of HS basketball remaining and 12 months before will have to be on Campus at UCONN.
One other data point. Two years ago Elauna Eaton (former UCONN prospect) and Caroline Ducharme attended USA basketball trials after mending from knee injuries. Like Azzi in these video neither player resembled their former self. Today Caroline Ducharme looks much better than her former self and will be pressing some people hard for minutes once she gets on the UCONN campus.
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Yes, Tuck, Williams, and Doty had good careers at UConn, but NONE of them are even in the Top 15 best ever at UConn! Will Fudd be a good college player? Yes, absolutely, hell she may even be considered great, but IMHO she is NOWHERE near the "once in a generation" player that the majority of this board is clamoring over! Her BB IQ, her pull up, her ability to shoot the 3, her hustle, etc all make for a damn good player, just not in same breath as the all time greats like Stewie, DT, etc.
 
Jibariqua said:
They own and run GTS Fusion. Does that mean she is going to go to an Under Armor school IDK. Kevin Plank went to the same high school as Azzi. But I have no idea if that has any meaning in her decision.
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This is NOT a good sign for those who want Fudd to commit to UConn! Let me preface what I am about to say with this, I know ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about the Fudd's and their relationship to UA. However, there is long history of allegations regarding both men's and women's AAU team owners/players receiving illegal monetary benefits to commit to a school that is of the same brand. The Fudd's happened to change teams this year to play/run a UA sponsored team, which just so happens to be the sponsor of Maryland. Again, I have ZERO inside knowledge, just not a good sign IMHO.
 
soxfan23 said:
Yes, Tuck, Williams, and Doty had good careers at UConn, but NONE of them are even in the Top 15 best ever at UConn! Will Fudd be a good college player? Yes, absolutely, hell she may even be considered great, but IMHO she is NOWHERE near the "once in a generation" player that the majority of this board is clamoring over! Her BB IQ, her pull up, her ability to shoot the 3, her hustle, etc all make for a damn good player, just not in same breath as the all time greats like Stewie, DT, etc.
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She is not currently that once in a generational player. She was!
This board had nothing to do with her earning a Naismith Trophy as the best HS player in her sophomore season=generational talent! She can be again!
 
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CocoHusky said:
She is not currently that once in a generational player. She was!
This board had nothing to do with her earning a Naismith Trophy as the best HS player in her sophomore season=generational talent! She can be again!
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So can a lot of players!
 
soxfan23 said:
This is NOT a good sign for those who want Fudd to commit to UConn! Let me preface what I am about to say with this, I know ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about the Fudd's and their relationship to UA. However, there is long history of allegations regarding both men's and women's AAU team owners/players receiving illegal monetary benefits to commit to a school that is of the same brand. The Fudd's happened to change teams this year to play/run a UA sponsored team, which just so happens to be the sponsor of Maryland. Again, I have ZERO inside knowledge, just not a good sign IMHO.
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Uhm... what women's AAU team were alleged to have received "illegal monetary benefits to commit to a school." Please stop this scandalous mudslinging before you tear a rotator cuff!
 
UConnCat said:
Can posters resume the discussion about Wilt and Bill?

If this thread were an asylum it'd be fair to say the inmates have taken over.

What will the August recruiting thread bring?
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Just a few more days and we will find out.
 
BobbyJ said:
Did a little research and this is interesting. Hopkins and Minnetonka HS are both public and in Minnetonka. Bueckers played as a freshman at Hopkins even though it is listed as one of the only HS in Minn. still offering classes in only grades 10 thru 12. So I wonder how she did that. Minnetonka is much larger with 3300 students to 1600 for Hopkins.
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Sharpen your pencil. She actually played for Hopkins as an 8th grade student.
 
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donalddoowop said:
She was on the sidelines trying to get her legs loose when she went out of the game. Her handle was only fair and one game she had it either taken from her or batted away, and that was not against a good team. If you could not see her lack of quickness on defense I can't figure out why. Maybe we saw two different games. If I did not know who she was, I would not have noticed her. She did not stand out like she used to do and I think it had to do with her physical (legs) condition. I still hope she commits to UConn. For all the posters who wants her to hurry up and commit to UConn, how many of you would then start having concern about her keeping her commitment? The closer to LOI time she commits, the less the concern will be that she will honor it.
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I watched part of both listed games. I thought that AAU teams were much more talent-infused than HS teams but Hopkins would have beaten the 3 AAU teams I saw in laughers.
As for "She did not stand out", what I saw was a player who passed the ball but who rarely got a pass in return, even when she was wide wide open behind the arc.
 
Alydar said:
Sharpen your pencil. She actually played for Hopkins as an 8th grade student.
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I know that. How did she do that if they ONLY offer classes for grades 10-12? How could she have been a student of that school?
 
BobbyJ said:
I know that. How did she do that if they ONLY offer classes for grades 10-12? How could she have been a student of that school?
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Don't know but over the years reading about 8th grade girls playing HS BB has become a common thing. Bueckers was one and her team mates Woodson and Agara are two more who played HS ball as 8th graders.
 
BobbyJ said:
I know that. How did she do that if they ONLY offer classes for grades 10-12? How could she have been a student of that school?
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soxfan23 said:
Watch this and then tell me she has a good handle. The first play of the game, she immediately picks up her dribble and turtles at the first sign of a double team. She repeatedly gets beat off the dribble on defense, she has trouble getting to the spots she wants to with the ball in her hands on offense, she is just not the same player! Yes, she is well built, but she is too undersized to take advantage of that at the next level! She is really going to struggle with the length at the 3 in college, both offensively and defensively. She was invisible for the majority of this game, that should never happen for the #1 ranked player in the country playing against mediocre talent! Is she still a good player? Yes, of course she is, she is just not the same player that she was!

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Okay I'll watch the tape. Then I'll come back at tape back at you PROVIDING YOU WITH OTHER LINKS TO GAMES, okay? And she looks 5'10 to me in that she looked just as big if not bigger than the other guards in the other 2 tapes. . Everything you say from the two other games is completely wrong. Watch the Riverside tape. The offensIve player couldn't handle her defense. And she certainly was NOT invisible in the Riverside game NOR the Indy game which I watched. Did you watch them or just this one?

Again I'll ask you to watch the Indy Gym Rats game. THEY WERE DOUBLE TEAMING HER 20/25/ PLUS FET FROM THE BASKET BECAUSE THEY WANTED THE BALL OUT OF HER HANDS.

**And I;ll ask you that i ask Donald. When you say "she doesn't lo the same." Provide some tape other than high school from lats year that shows it. So all I'm asking is-- and you said about how what you said would be considered blasephemy to many of us-- we're asking that you show us instead of just saying it. Not arguing. No ill will in this post. Juts as you are providing a link now prove it with another link. I'm going to send you links later today showing you how she is being double teamed from the perimeter and showing how she couldn't be pressed / if she did she made a great pass ot bust the trap if that's what it was etc.
 
RockyMTblue2 said:
" We've even had a player after a few practices leave and go to Miss State, right?"

Wrong @hoophuskee . In late December, after repeatedly refusing to take instruction, she was told she was no longer wanted in the program.
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Okay -- but you understood my point, right? Donald posted to me about if she were to commit. ANd we have players back out. I think everybody understands that. That was my point.
 
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donalddoowop said:
Paige stands out when she is not featured. As far as keeping a commitment, that was not about Fudd but the posters who want an early commitment. First we are concerned if she will commit and then when she does with so much time left before LOI time, we worry if she will honor it. It has happened before. That is my point. If she was not so highly regarded, it would not matter so much. What Collier did can make some of us fans a little wary until a player has signed. Just my opinion.
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Got a flash for you. Most UConn fans are neither "concerned" nor "worried" about it. "We" have 2 outstanding HS classes in 2020 & 2021. Fudd is an outstanding talent and I would love her to choose UConn but I certainly don't worry about it. And I consider myself one of the "we".
 
soxfan23 said:
I know this is going to be considered blasphemy on this board, but Fudd is extremely overrated right now. I realize that it is extremely tough coming back from a bad injury like Fudd suffered, but she just does not look anything close to the best player in the country. Don't get me wrong, she is still as smart and savvy a basketball player as you will ever find, she has an amazing pull up, she is lights out if left open behind the arc, she is a tremendous leader the way she is always picking her team up, and she plays extremely hard! She just doesn't have that "it" factor that she used to have! She is obviously not fully back yet, but she looks extremely slow right now, she was never really an elite athlete, it's just that her lack of athleticism really stands out now. She doesn't have the handle or speed to play the 1 in college like some have suggested. She is a below average defender at this point, lacking the length to alter shots and the foot speed and lateral quickness to defend the drive. She struggled to get separation to get open and was very inactive without the ball on offense. Again, I know it is very early in her recovery and I hope she really gets back to form as time goes on because she has worked so hard and deserves it. I still would like her to commit to UConn, but I wouldn't be heart broken if she went somewhere else.
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I tried to make the point bolded above a few weeks ago and it didn’t go over well. I was told by some that she was the ‘greatest high school defender they had ever seen’ because she could stay in front of some random 15 year old high school girl. Listen I want her on my team all day but I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again imo she is KML 2.0....a beyond lethal sharp shooter. I still maintain Paige will have a wildly more impactful college career and if I had to choose between the 2 it’s PB 100x out of 100.

Edit-my KML point above is not intended as a slight as I’m pretty sure she was a multiple time AA and 2000 point scorer but imo the people that have been claiming the team that gets Azzi are immediate favorites to win 4 NCs are just being silly.
 
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I ask any poster to watch the Riverside game and notice Azzi's defense at the top of the press. She had 3 steals and one pass the player she was guarding made an awful pass that was picked off because Azzi was in her face. Since when is 3 steals and a cause for a TO in an exhibition game- a no-doubter that she is playing sub-par defense- when she is pressing? In the Riverside game Azzi's team was getting beat inside not from the perimeter. In response to Donald suggesting I wasn't paying close enough attention - I submit that Donald needs new glasses or a thicker set. No she is not "uber quick" but she doesn't have to be. Arguably the greatest women's player of all-time - DT - was never ever uber quick. Ionescu is NOT uber quick.

In addition if Azi is so "unconditioned and out of shape" then you press with her- the best player on the team? So all the recruiting services got it wrong? The coach is mis-playing the supposed out-of-shape sup-par non-quick defende?, And the opposing coach in the 2nd half of the Indy Gym Rats game got it all wrong for double-teaming her? With respect I just have to say -- No.

As for soxfan - he clearly didn't watch this Riverside game or the Indy Gym Rat game. So he has proclaimed Azzi overrated after watching one exhibition game?

And what we ask of Donald and soxfan to back up their claim that she isn't the same to the degree they are suggesting/implying. I'll agree with it-- if you show me some tapes from last year summer vs this year summer. You can't just spout off "she is not the same" to the degree they are representing Azzi without backing it up on tape.

Sure she might not be "as quick" due tot he injury but NOT near the degree they are implying / suggesting imo though i have to see redsoxfan's game he sent. Then I send him back tape countering.

**And as a final point with Donald he suggests its her "conditioning" yet can someone please explain when a freshman comes to UCONN and is "conditioned?" They rarely are. Sure he probably means she is less conditioned, But if she is being DOUBLE-TEAMED in the SECOND HALF vs Indy Gym Rats, how does that represent at all that"conditioning" is an issue (also that the coach is pressing using her at the top/guarding a ball-handler)? You press knwoing oyur best player has knee and condition issues? Anyhow, we heard from another poster the injury was more likely due to a bruise. Donald didn't suggest it was or wasn't but nowhere is there is this --significant "conditioning issue." Paige and Azzi are not "Griff" on defense. They never will be. That doesn't mean their defense is sub-par as RedSox fan has suggested. And nearly every freshman needs to be better conditioned.
 
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Alydar said:
Got a flash for you. Most UConn fans are neither "concerned" nor "worried" about it. "We" have 2 outstanding HS classes in 2020 & 2021. Fudd is an outstanding talent and I would love her to choose UConn but I certainly don't worry about it. And I consider myself one of the "we".
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Then why have there been so many post asking about when she will finally commit? Taking one person out of we still leaves we. Also, are you sure most UConn fans are not concerned? I'm done with it.
 


Is UConn showing interest in this phenom?
This is an old interview. She is a 22 recruit
 
MDoggie said:


Is UConn showing interest in this phenom?
This is an old interview. She is a 22 recruit
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Local kid will have a hard time saying no to Notre Dame. Was offered back in April.
 
hoophuskee said:
Okay -- but you understood my point, right? Donald posted to me about if she were to commit. ANd we have players back out. I think everybody understands that. That was my point.
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Sure, I got your point, but I am sensitive to this particular player not being the beneficiary of an urban legend and there was an effort in that direction shortly after she left the program.
 
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