John A.: Uconn - ND just another game?

[pap49cba]

“The year we beat Notre Dame three straight times and we lost in the Final Four [2011], I guess they [the Irish] forgot to get the message that there are only a certain number of teams who can win."

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[GoUconn7961]

I'm sure, as usual, it will be an interestingly officiated game...especially in South Bend.

 

[Fightin Choke]

I'm sure, as usual, it will be an interestingly officiated game...especially in South Bend.

Concerning the FT disparity, much of that can be explained by the percentage of jump shots UConn takes vs. how many ND takes. Also, UConn goes to the line more than its opponents as well. FT disparities do not necessarily indicate biased officiating. Notre Dame's strategy includes pushing the pace, points in the paint, and drawing fouls whereas Geno has focused more on getting open 3-point shots. It's reasonable to expect that Notre Dame will get more FT's.

 

[uconnell]

Concerning the FT disparity, much of that can be explained by the percentage of jump shots UConn takes vs. how many ND takes. Also, UConn goes to the line more than its opponents as well. FT disparities do not necessarily indicate biased officiating. Notre Dame's strategy includes pushing the pace, points in the paint, and drawing fouls whereas Geno has focused more on getting open 3-point shots. It's reasonable to expect that Notre Dame will get more FT's.

Since this fact pertains to almost all of ND's games, I guess the only teams they play against are teams that take a lot of 3's. How UConn can take excursions into the lane and hardly ever get fouled is a puzzlement to me.

 

[Icebear]

Since this fact pertains to almost all of ND's games, I guess the only teams they play against are teams that take a lot of 3's. How UConn can take excursions into the lane and hardly ever get fouled is a puzzlement to me.

This is true. Taking 3s does not mean a team hasn't either driven into the lane or has received the reward of drawing fouls for the effort to do so.

 

[uconnfan68]

Concerning the FT disparity, much of that can be explained by the percentage of jump shots UConn takes vs. how many ND takes. Also, UConn goes to the line more than its opponents as well. FT disparities do not necessarily indicate biased officiating. Notre Dame's strategy includes pushing the pace, points in the paint, and drawing fouls whereas Geno has focused more on getting open 3-point shots. It's reasonable to expect that Notre Dame will get more FT's.

ND fouls multiple times every possession, so when the other team fouls, it's an aberration and the refs call it right away.

 

[Fightin Choke]

Since this fact pertains to almost all of ND's games, I guess the only teams they play against are teams that take a lot of 3's. How UConn can take excursions into the lane and hardly ever get fouled is a puzzlement to me.

No, the jump shot explanation was a possible explanation for the discrepancy of FT attempts in games between UConn and Notre Dame. Many UConn posters have expressed frustration that Geno didn't force the ball inside more against ND, given UConn's size advantage.

The reason why ND has more FT attempts than their other opponents can be explained by ND's points in the paint. Muffet's offensive starts with a fast break if possible, and then if it's not there, the half court offense is designed to get back cuts and penetration, which lead to layups or fouls oftentimes. Another reason that ND has more FT's than its opponents is because they are coached well, as is UConn. When UConn had nearly 4 times as many FT's as Seton Hall, no one assumed it was bad officiating. I didn't see the game, but I imagine that UConn players were in better position and were more skilled than the Pirates, which led to more fouls and more FT's. There is no one explanation for the FT discrepancy.

 

[Icebear]

No, the jump shot explanation was a possible explanation for the discrepancy of FT attempts in games between UConn and Notre Dame. Many UConn posters have expressed frustration that Geno didn't force the ball inside more against ND, given UConn's size advantage.

The reason why ND has more FT attempts than their other opponents can be explained by ND's points in the paint. Muffet's offensive starts with a fast break if possible, and then if it's not there, the half court offense is designed to get back cuts and penetration, which lead to layups or fouls oftentimes. Another reason that ND has more FT's than its opponents is because they are coached well, as is UConn. When UConn had nearly 4 times as many FT's as Seton Hall, no one assumed it was bad officiating. I didn't see the game, but I imagine that UConn players were in better position and were more skilled than the Pirates, which led to more fouls and more FT's. There is no one explanation for the FT discrepancy.

Last I knew UConn leads the conference in points in the paint.

 

[uconnell]

The reason why ND has more FT attempts than their other opponents can be explained by ND's points Another reason that ND has more FT's than its opponents is because they are coached well, as is UConn. When UConn had nearly 4 times as many FT's as Seton Hall, no one assumed it was bad officiating. I didn't see the game, but I imagine that UConn players were in better position and were more skilled than the Pirates, which led to more fouls and more FT's. There is no one explanation for the FT discrepancy.

Nice of you to throw UConn a bone. The reason UConn had 4 times FTs as Seton hall is obviously we are MUCH better than Seton Hall. We still would have beaten them without the FTs. Can ND say the same vs UConn?

 

[EricLA]

It's going to be an interesting game for sure. ND is MUCH better than I anticipated this year, considering what they lost to graduation. I really thought UCONN would destroy them by 15-20 and was shocked that we were outplayed for enough stretches that ND was able to pull off the upset.

I have not heard Geno mention anything about the FT disparity after the first game. I went back and read the quotes and nothing in there is about it. Doesn't mean he didn't address it, my point is our starting PG is not a player who drives into the teeth of the defense in general. I think Hartley went to the FT line 4 times that game. Neither one is initiating the aggressive offense to try to draw fouls. Diggins, OTOH, went to the line 12 times in that game, almost as many attempts as the entire UCONN team (14). She drives into the lane all the time, plowing into defenders, and they get called for the foul - either because they didn't get to the spot in time, or she is able to twist around them to avoid a charge and someone whacks her on the arm.

If Geno really sees ND as a fouling machine and that they "foul on every possession" then he needs to start drawing the officials attention to it. If that doesn't work, then start getting T'd up for his complaining. If that doesn't work, then get ejected from the game for drawing 2 T's. If that doesn't work, then he can send tapes to the Big East or the head of officiating and show them where the refs are missing calls. If that doesn't work then he can start publicly calling it out and take the fines that will come with complaining publicly about the refs. If that doesn't work, then either we are wrong about the fouling, or there's a conspiracy to let ND get a ton of free throws. Either way I don't see that Geno has even received a T for complaining, never mind the escalated options.

 

[doggydaddy]

No, the jump shot explanation was a possible explanation for the discrepancy of FT attempts in games between UConn and Notre Dame. Many UConn posters have expressed frustration that Geno didn't force the ball inside more against ND, given UConn's size advantage.

The reason why ND has more FT attempts than their other opponents can be explained by ND's points in the paint. Muffet's offensive starts with a fast break if possible, and then if it's not there, the half court offense is designed to get back cuts and penetration, which lead to layups or fouls oftentimes. Another reason that ND has more FT's than its opponents is because they are coached well, as is UConn. When UConn had nearly 4 times as many FT's as Seton Hall, no one assumed it was bad officiating. I didn't see the game, but I imagine that UConn players were in better position and were more skilled than the Pirates, which led to more fouls and more FT's. There is no one explanation for the FT discrepancy.

I really don't think what UConn and ND does against other teams is relevant to this discussion. I listed the 4 wins by ND and the 1 win by UConn in another thread a few weeks ago after the first matchup this season. ND had a clear advantage in FT's in all games but the UConn win. As you said, there is no one explaination for the discrepancy, but ND getting more of the 50/50 calls is one of them. And on this board, it's one of the major reasons.

 

[Tonyc]

We beat ND by pounding the ball down low to Stef and Breanna and having our guard penetrate. Thats its. KML can shoot the trey and Kelly Bria Caroline and MoJeff need to penetrate as much as possible.

 

[slimmer56]

There is nothing wrong with our offense. We look down low first, and then move it in and out. No need to force it. What Doggydaddy said is true. They kill us on 50 / 50 balls and KEY rebounds.
Watch Skyler Diggins. Every time she gets touched she complains to the refs. Perhaps she is just smart. Maybe so, but I still don't like it. Stop complaining, and play ball. She is so good she doesn't need to anyway. I just hope the BETTER Indiana lady, Kelly Faris locks her down. But she will probably guard Kayla Mcbride, correct ?
I just hope the Refs let 'em play , and just be consistent with their calls.
It is time we got our swagger back ! Roll up our sleeves and go to work. Let's get 'em at home. No mercy !
GO UCONN GO !

 

[Alydar]

Notre Dame's recent success is due IMO to their guards beating our guards. Our defense in the past has been outstanding in switching when opponents drove the lane but right now they don't do that very well. I'd also suggest that ND does a better job teaching their guards how to create the type of contact that draws a whistle. I see UConn players get banged on drives but the contact is typically body contact, something that refs don't call unless it results in the loss of the ball. Hand and arm contact on a drive seems to always draw a whistle however and ND just seems better at it. The person who should be asked is Shea Ralph.

 

[rt bb fan]

Stef needs to play down low against Anchowa, might be able to get Anchowa in foul trouble. Also Stef has to watch when Anchowa starts at the high post and drives on Stef, which could lead to foul trouble for Stef. We need Stef to stay out of foul trouble.

 

[msf22b]

I understand the preoccupation with fouls and refs but surely this game is about more than that.
The strength of their guards against that of our frontcourt seems the issue to me.