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Jewell Loyd To Be Named Rookie of the Year

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easttexastrash said:
And that really makes a difference in this conversation, that I am a poor speller? At least I spelled Lobo and Stokes correctly.
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nah... but hopefully you'd notice the error and make the simple correction
 
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As I said in my original statement, either would have been deserving, IMO, so I don't find it unthinkable that Loyd won the award. If it had been Stokes I would have said "congratulations," which I feel Lobo should have done, not make a statement that Loyd was not deserving, which is what she effectively said.
 
DaddyChoc said:
nah... but hopefully you'd notice the error and make the simple correction
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Correction made in my last comment. But once again, who gives a crap about spelling? I have seen BG's name misspelled many, many times, and I have never corrected anyone just because they cannot spell her name correctly because it is irrelevant to the conversation.
 
easttexastrash said:
And that really makes a difference in this conversation, that I am a poor speller? At least I spelled Lobo and Stokes correctly.
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Your not a poor speller. Quite the opposite. You spell Jewell's surname the way most good spellers would. What you've done is fail to realize the uniqueness of this particular athlete which is somewhat more egregious than committing "a typo." But you're correct, this is a nit of the lowest order. You've committed no offense beyond stumbling into a discussion about something that is pissing people off and expressing a counter opinion.
 
RegisteredUconn said:
Your not a poor speller. Quite the opposite. You spell Jewell's surname the way most good spellers would. What you've done is fail to realize the uniqueness of this particular athlete which is somewhat more egregious than committing "a typo." But you're correct, this is a nit of the lowest order. You've committed no offense beyond stumbling into a discussion about something that is pissing people off and expressing a counter opinion.
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I don't think I stumbled in; I think I jumped in with both feet. ;)
 
easttexastrash said:
As I said in my original statement, either would have been deserving, IMO, so I don't find it unthinkable that Loyd won the award. If it had been Stokes I would have said "congratulations," which I feel Lobo should have done, not make a statement that Loyd was not deserving, which is what she effectively said.
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The emotional investment was centered around the use of the word "disrespect" regarding Rebecca's comment. Many of belive there was none intended. That one word devolved into mispelling and of course your original point- "either would have been deserving" was missed as was Rebecca's main point- Stokes was more deserving.
 
CocoHusky said:
The emotional investment was centered around the use of the word "disrespect" regarding Rebecca's comment. Many of belive there was none intended. That one word devolved into mispelling and of course your original point- "either would have been deserving" was missed as was Rebecca's main point- Stokes was more deserving.
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Maybe Lobo could have thrown in an "IMO" instead of saying that all of the other voters were wrong. She certainly didn't imply that Loyd was worthy of the award.
 
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CocoHusky said:
Bigger picture.
The 2nd best (agruably 1st) rookie in the best Women's professional basketball league in the world could not stay in the UCONN starting line up last year.
UCONN must have a pretty good WCBB program.
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Hmm..........Good point.
 
easttexastrash said:
The problem with that is that the top player in the draft goes to a pretty bad team. The number 10 pick goes to a team that is already built for a championship and has the talent surrounding her to take all the pressure off of her.
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Let me see; top player goes to bad team which mean less stars to compete against to make the team and also means she will more than likely be one of the stars on the team, therefore should have more of an impact. The #10 player goes to a team built for a championship, with more star power on the team. This makes it more difficult for her to make the team, then once she makes the team, the star power would make it difficult for her to have much impact on the team(having to settle for garbage time minutes because of all that star power an all). But yet she had a great deal of impact and, it could be argued, the team would not have been as successful with out her. I would think that person would be named ROY
 
easttexastrash said:
I don't agree with Lobo's statement that Stokes was clearly the ROY since Lloyd had a good year and had more pressure to perform immediately since she was not surrounded by as much talent as Stokes.

The problem with that is that the top player in the draft goes to a pretty bad team. The number 10 pick goes to a team that is already built for a championship and has the talent surrounding her to take all the pressure off of her.
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NY finished the 2014 season with a 15-19 record while Seattle finished 12-22. Consider that Seattle played in the much tougher western conference and add in that Seattle tanked their last 3 games while NY won their last 2 and I'd say both teams pretty much sucked in 2014.
 
Alydar said:
NY finished the 2014 season with a 15-19 record while Seattle finished 12-22. Consider that Seattle played in the much tougher western conference and add in that Seattle tanked their last 3 games while NY won their last 2 and I'd say both teams pretty much sucked in 2014.
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One measure of a rookie's impact is the net change in won-loss before and after the rookie arrived. For Kiah Stokes, the Liberty were a net +8. For Jewel Loyd and Seattle Storm, they were a -2. I'm going to guess this is the only ROY with a negative impact on their team. If I have time, I might look it up.
 
easttexastrash said:
Correction made in my last comment. But once again, who gives a crap about spelling? I have seen BG's name misspelled many, many times, and I have never corrected anyone just because they cannot spell her name correctly because it is irrelevant to the conversation.
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You're harping on it instead of just saying thanks... and continuing your debate, makes you appear very defensive about everything instead of just stating your case (with the correct spelling) no need to mention BG just say thanks, my bad and move on. You're not being attacked (at least not by me)
 
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HuskyPup said:
"more pressure to perform"? when does that get you ROY?...puhleeeez!
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Agreed. Kiah had just as much pressure to perform, perhaps more. She was on a team who was expected to make the playoffs, and expected to compete for the WNBA championship. Loyd was playing for a team that was expected to be among the worst in the league and is in desperate need of posts and forwards. When you rely on players named Tokashiki, Clark, Gaitling, and O'hea, and the 3 leading scorers are Langhorne, Bird and Loyd, you aren't going to win many games.

But just like Tulsa's early years, Seattle now needs to rebuild. Langhorne is really good. Loyd will be terrific. Hopefully KML finds her way. But I think Seattle is still several drafts away from being any good. Even if they land Stewie, they would need one more draft IMHO to be in the upper tier of the league (not sure about Monica Wright - she didn't play this year). But they seem guard heavy - Wright, Bird, KML (guard/wing), Loyd, O'hea, and Clark (wing/forward). They really need some elite post players...

Anyhoo... I totally agree with Rebecca and can't see how that's "disrespectful" to Loyd. I mean come on people - these are professional athletes. If this was the NBA and Rebecca made those same comments, would anyone be saying that? Having said that, I think Jewell is terrific and certainly deserving, I just think Kiah is more deserving...
 
easttexastrash said:
The problem with that is that the top player in the draft goes to a pretty bad team. The number 10 pick goes to a team that is already built for a championship and has the talent surrounding her to take all the pressure off of her.
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The pick NYL "earned" was the 4th pick, which CON had as part of the Charles trade. The Prince trade obviously made that team better before Kiah got there, but saying that the Liberty were "built for a championship" is a classic example of 20/20 hindsight. They were not considered title favorites or even Eastern conference favorites before the season.

Kiah's 25.4 minutes per game and excellent defensive contributions (2nd in total blocks, 3rd in block%, 3rd in defensive rating, 2nd in defensive win shares) helped take the Liberty from the 4th best defense in the league last year to the best defense this year (shaving roughly 5 points per 100 possessions). She helped make them a championship contender.

Also, who else is so great on that team besides Charles and Prince? Kiah is the 3rd best player on that championship contender. Not bad for a rookie. Jewell was probably the third best player on a lottery team (behind Langhorne and Gatling by PER, behind Langhorne and Bird by common sense/eye test).
 
easttexastrash said:
Maybe Lobo could have thrown in an "IMO" instead of saying that all of the other voters were wrong. She certainly didn't imply that Loyd was worthy of the award.
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Perhaps because JL wasn't 'worthy' of the award.

Stokes WAS worthy of the award and therefore, was the only person disrespected in the process.
 
Aluminny69 said:
One measure of a rookie's impact is the net change in won-loss before and after the rookie arrived. For Kiah Stokes, the Liberty were a net +8. For Jewel Loyd and Seattle Storm, they were a -2. I'm going to guess this is the only ROY with a negative impact on their team. If I have time, I might look it up.
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Okay, looked it up. Two other ROY had a negative W-L number. Seimone Augustus and the Lynx were a -4, even though Augustus was #2 in league scoring, setting a rookie record. Temeka Johnson and the Mystics were a -1. Best turnarounds were Cheryl Ford, Angel McCoughtry, and Maya Moore with a +14.

I have troubles with posting tables, but here's my attempt:
2014 Chiney Ogwumike Sun +3
2013 Elena Delle Donne Sky +10
2012 Nneke Ogwumike Sparks +9
2011 Maya Moore Lynx +14
2010 Tina Charles Sun +1
2009 Angel McNoughtry Dream +14
2008 Candace Parker Sparks +10
2007 Armintie Price Sky +9
2006 Seimone Augustus Lynx -4
2005 Temeka Johnson Mystics -1
2004 Diana Taurasi Mercury +9
2003 Cheryl Ford Shock +14
2002 Tamika Catchings Fever +6
 
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I thought the award is based on regular season play only, and not playoffs. Still doesn't change my view that Kiah was more deserving.
 
JavaMan said:
Just had an interesting thought; I wonder what KML is thinking about all of this? Not that she should be in the running, but that both are friends/teammates. Hmm.
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I was wondering what Jewel Loyd is thinking about all this? First, she loses three(?) NC to UConn. She missed out on POY each year to UConn's Stewart. I believe she entered the draft early to avoid competing with Stewart again. Now, even though she wins ROY, many people (not just UCon fans) believe that UConn's Stokes was more deserving. I have a feeling she has no love lost for UConn. Will she eventually play for the U.S. Olympic team? Time will tell, I'm going to guess the answer is no.
 
Aluminny69 said:
I was wondering what Jewel Loyd is thinking about all this? First, she loses three(?) NC to UConn. She missed out on POY each year to UConn's Stewart. I believe she entered the draft early to avoid competing with Stewart again. Now, even though she wins ROY, many people (not just UCon fans) believe that UConn's Stokes was more deserving. I have a feeling she has no love lost for UConn. Will she eventually play for the U.S. Olympic team? Time will tell, I'm going to guess the answer is no.
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I don't think she entered the draft early to avoid competing with Stewart.

I think she entered the draft early to make money. Plus, I'm guessing school wasn't a whole lot of fun for a dyslexic.

I would bet she does play for the Olympic team in time.
 
The WNBA is first and foremost a business, not a sport. Money is made by putting butts in seats and by advertisers buying commercial spots. And marketers want recognizable stars, not great teams. Awards almost always go to flashy players (scorers). That's who the league promotes because it's stars who create mass appeal. It's the same in all pro team sports. In baseball it's the home run hitters and the pitchers who make the big bucks. In football it's the quarterbacks and the scorers.

The WNBA sees Loyd as a flashy scorer who will be in a lot of 5 second highlight blurbs on ESPN. They never show a great screen as a play of the day.
 
Orangutan said:
The pick NYL "earned" was the 4th pick, which CON had as part of the Charles trade. The Prince trade obviously made that team better before Kiah got there, but saying that the Liberty were "built for a championship" is a classic example of 20/20 hindsight. They were not considered title favorites or even Eastern conference favorites before the season.

Kiah's 25.4 minutes per game and excellent defensive contributions (2nd in total blocks, 3rd in block%, 3rd in defensive rating, 2nd in defensive win shares) helped take the Liberty from the 4th best defense in the league last year to the best defense this year (shaving roughly 5 points per 100 possessions). She helped make them a championship contender.

Also, who else is so great on that team besides Charles and Prince? Kiah is the 3rd best player on that championship contender. Not bad for a rookie. Jewell was probably the third best player on a lottery team (behind Langhorne and Gatling by PER, behind Langhorne and Bird by common sense/eye test).
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Remarkable objectivity from a ND fan- thank you.
 
Aluminny69 said:
I have a feeling she has no love lost for UConn.
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I belive she lost love for UCONN the day she committed to ND-AS IT SHOULD BE! What is the significance, to this discussion, of Loyd making an Olympic team?
If Jewell is among the US best (this whole thread is proof that she is ) why couldn't she make an Olympic team?
 
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