JC-Broken Hip

[CL82]

Poor guy can't get a break this year. I hope he's ok

uh, apparently he can


...sorry

 

[uconnell]

Calhoun influenced you more than the UConn hotties? Are we supposed to believe that? It was more probable than not the basketball program that influenced you. Calhoun isn't bigger than the program. The school and the Big East also made him.

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Don't you ever have anything positive to say? Show him some respect for cryin-out-loud. Even SU fans say UConn/ Calhoun carried the BE thru some lean years and while they dislike him, they respect him. Get well soon Coach.

 

[CL82]

Clumsiest coach of all time.

Hardly but being active as you age has some accompanying risks.

 

[CL82]

Where is Conspiracy Kitty? JC broke his hip on purpose so KO could have his job.

Conspiracy Kitty says:
Well it's obvious that...what? Coach Ollie on line 2?...uh, I have no comment at this time.

 

[UConn990411]

This was obviously a ploy to make sure Ollie becomes the next UConn coach.

In all seriousness, all the best to Calhoun on a speedy recovery.

 

[4UConn]

We need you Coach more now than ever! Get well real soon.

 

[RS9999X]

Ok, so in your opinion JC is bigger than the program! Haha ok Mr. Sharpshooter (haha joke of the day) the University (emphasis added) and the Big East had nothing to do with it! I'm so wrong! LOL Is there something you can't comprehend about "also made him"? As in a joint effort? Yes of course JC all by himself kept the Big East afloat! Thanks I learned so much!

Sounds like an Edsall fanboy who knows UConn Football in fact fits that stereotype presented above. The history of Basketball is a different animal in particular here at UConn.

 

[NOTaDIME]

Let's look at this from both perspectives and get to the bottom of this. Is Calhoun bigger than the program? Absolutely not, and look at Joe Pa for an extreme example. Is he the main reason for most/all of our success? Absolutely. I agree with BLUEDOG somewhat because in the very near future we are going to have life without Coach and at that point he better not be the only thing positive we'll ever have with UConn hoops. Also, the BIg East AND Calhoun both were a perfect fit and they played off of each other well.

 

[BLUEDOGHOUSE]

BLUEDOG I can comprehend mostly everyone's replies and yours have been easy and the consistency very simple. You don't really like JC all that much.....have I learned anything? (ha ha 2nd joke of the day)

He isn't bigger than the program but he made the program. You sir please attempt to read it again since you are such intellect..."made the program" what it is today and there's no guarantee we would even have a Boneyard without him. Please try to deny that Einstein!!

Do you want to ask Jerome for some cognac, a bottle of vodka and a dime bag and put this behind us haha! Then we van talk about how the "program" got themselves into this 2012-13 predicament. Should I assume you will casually toss on the other hat and claim the university should bear the majority of the blame?

 

[BLUEDOGHOUSE]

Do you want to ask Jerome for some cognac, a bottle of vodka and a dime bag and put this behind us haha! Then we van talk about how the "program" got themselves into this 2012-13 predicament. Should I assume you will casually toss on the other hat and claim the university should bear the majority of the blame?

Ok Ok geez mauconnfan you are a shrewd negotiator! We can have new Colorado State coach Larry Eustachy bring the NATTY light and the 19 year old co-eds! We can bypass Jerome if you want!

Shouldn't you be rooting for UMASS this year MAuconnfan! They have a nice team coming back.

 

[Adios]

Calhoun influenced you more than the UConn hotties? Are we supposed to believe that? It was more probable than not the basketball program that influenced you. Calhoun isn't bigger than the program. The school and the Big East also made him.

Who are you to judge? Get lost.

 

[NOTaDIME]

Who are you to judge? Get lost.

I've never heard of a non-athlete student decide to attend a college because of an athletic coach. I'm not saying that you didn't do that or did, but I believe that is the issue here.

 

[BLUEDOGHOUSE]

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Don't you ever have anything positive to say? Show him some respect for cryin-out-loud. Even SU fans say UConn/ Calhoun carried the BE thru some lean years and while they dislike him, they respect him. Get well soon Coach.

Lets put it this way I don't get emotionally attached to basketball coaches like Calhoun. Assuming arguendo I paid taxes in the state of CT Calhoun would amount to nothing more than a commodity/stock with me being a shareholder. His marketability to satisfy my wants and needs at the present time would be seriously lacking. It is all about business. Calhoun and his agents are all about business so the university, donors and fans can take their positions in good faith from a business perspective.

To me calhoun is a stock. I got a good and sometimes great return on investment some years and now the stock is tanking and the market is bleak. Some could easily argue there is much more downside and risk to this Calhoun stock ticker symbol (CLHN) which used to trade on the big boards but now trades on the Pink Sheets. As Jim Cramer from CNBC would say the stock CLHN is a SELL SELL SELL SELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I say SHORT this failing pig stock (CLHN) if you want to make money. You can Buy, SELL or hold. I'm selling but know the program will survive when we get back to the big boards with a NEW ticker symbol.

 

[jleves]

Somewhere, a village is missing its idiot.

 

[21Huskies]

I've never heard of a non-athlete student decide to attend a college because of an athletic coach. I'm not saying that you didn't do that or did, but I believe that is the issue here.

i would guess many people have chose UConn because of Calhoun. whether they realize it directly or not.

I had scholarship offers to a dozen or so schools for sports and i chose to attend UConn and play there because it was the only school in new england playing big time sports, the atmosphere, the athletic programs growth and the financial commitment the state was putting into the school at the time.

those things were almost all directly caused by Calhoun creating the brand, UConn, and the successes he had which snowballed into so much more.

imo, if it wasn't for Calhoun, we're very likely on par with UMass at this point.

 

[21Huskies]

To me calhoun is a stock. I got a good and sometimes great return on investment some years and now the stock is tanking and the market is bleak. Some could easily argue there is much more downside and risk to this Calhoun stock ticker symbol (CLHN) which used to trade on the big boards but now trades on the Pink Sheets. As Jim Cramer from CNBC would say the stock CLHN is a SELL SELL SELL SELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I say SHORT this failing pig stock (CLHN) if you want to make money. You can Buy, SELL or hold. I'm selling but know the program will survive when we get back to the big boards with a NEW ticker symbol.

a few things:

1) when you're talking about stocks, never reference Jim Cramer... its an easy way to show that you're completely clueless about anything market related.

2) if we're going to play your silly stock comparison... most of us have been invested in CLHN for 20+ years. we've been thru one of the greatest most unlikely bull runs in the history of sports stocks with him in that time. we've been so rich and blessed by our investment in CLHN that it's literally impossible for us to lose. we're all rich forever from the dividends CLHN has paid us thru those 20+ years

3) you really mentioned Jim Cramer, lol

 

[NOTaDIME]

i would guess many people have chose UConn because of Calhoun. whether they realize it directly or not.

I had scholarship offers to a dozen or so schools for sports and i chose to attend UConn and play there because it was the only school in new england playing big time sports, the atmosphere, the athletic programs growth and the financial commitment the state was putting into the school at the time.

those things were almost all directly caused by Calhoun creating the brand, UConn, and the successes he had which snowballed into so much more.

imo, if it wasn't for Calhoun, we're very likely on par with UMass at this point.

If you were an athlete playing sports it is completely understandable to attend a college because of a coach. For the rest of us non-athletes that chose a school I find it hard to believe you chose UConn directly because of Calhoun. Here is why: If Calhoun had came here when he did and was an average college coach would you still have attended UConn? Also, if someone else would have been hired and had the exact same amount of success as Calhoun would you still have followed Coach Calhoun wherever he was successful or attended UConn because of its great basketball program? I think it is the program more than anything which of course he built, but if enrollment drops considerably after he retires, let me know.

 

[21Huskies]

If you were an athlete playing sports it is completely understandable to attend a college because of a coach. For the rest of us non-athletes that chose a school I find it hard to believe you chose UConn directly because of Calhoun. Here is why: If Calhoun had came here when he did and was an average college coach would you still have attended UConn? Also, if someone else would have been hired and had the exact same amount of success as Calhoun would you still have followed Coach Calhoun wherever he was successful or attended UConn because of its great basketball program? I think it is the program more than anything which of course he built, but if enrollment drops considerably after he retires, let me know.

i played a sport... not basketball.

to answer your questions.
- if Calhoun was an average coach and UConn was still a mediocre sports school, i probably would have gone elsewhere. the school was on par with UMass and URI's before Calhoun.
- obviously if the persons name was John Brown instead of Jim Calhoun and everything turned out identical, i'd have made the same choice. But it wasn't John Brown or Dee Rowe or any other previous or hypothetical UConn figure... it was Calhoun.
- as for your last comment... once a foundation is built, the ability to maintain is far easier. if you are a poor kid your whole life and then you invent something and make millions you can logically expect the rest of your family down the lines to be in better financial shape because of what you established, with or without you there. another example would be Steve Jobs dying. Apple may suffer eventually but the foundation is already there for them to be a successful company, the heavy lifting has been done.

my guess is that you're either very young or not very familiar with the history of UConn. i don't mean that as a knock on you, but it's the only logical thing i can come up with to rationalize your stance.

 

[BLUEDOGHOUSE]

a few things:

1) when you're talking about stocks, never reference Jim Cramer... its an easy way to show that you're completely clueless about anything market related.

2) if we're going to play your silly stock comparison... most of us have been invested in CLHN for 20+ years. we've been thru one of the greatest most unlikely bull runs in the history of sports stocks with him in that time. we've been so rich and blessed by our investment in CLHN that it's literally impossible for us to lose. we're all rich forever from the dividends CLHN has paid us thru those 20+ years

3) you really mentioned Jim Cramer, lol

During Cramer's tenure his fund from 1988–2000 he had one year of negative returns. In 1999 his fund returned 47%, and in 2000 28%, beating the S & P by 38 percentage points. Cramer retired from his hedge fund in 2001. He finished with a 24% average annual return over fourteen years and routinely took home $12 mill a yr and more. So unless you think these returns are substandard you my friend know nothing about the market! LOL

It is worth noting though I was just making reference to his stage persona with the "SELL SELL SELL SELL" comment as an obvious figure of speech for the well informed. The actual seller of the stock would be me!

Being a dividend investor and holding forever is a rookie mistake in this case (that would be you). When to sell ultimately determines if you are a successful investor. "Impossible to lose"? That is another rookie mental mistake. Taking profits is key and the company CLHN is clearly no longer a dividend producing stock. The B of D would have slashed or eliminated the dividend at this point. I already clarified we shared some great bull runs. Here is the thing...DON'T FALL IN LOVE WITH A STOCK. That is a true rookie mistake again.

When the dividend is cut or suspended however, my goal of generating an increasing stream of dividend income is no longer valid. Thus, selling my whole position in CLHN is the best decision to make.

The stock CLHN would take a very small portion of my portfolio if any, relative to other positions. I may buy back at a cheaper price at a later date. If I owned any of CLHN I would sell call options against the shares I own to generate monthly income.

 

[NOTaDIME]

i played a sport... not basketball.

to answer your questions.
- if Calhoun was an average coach and UConn was still a mediocre sports school, i probably would have gone elsewhere. the school was on par with UMass and URI's before Calhoun.
- obviously if the persons name was John Brown instead of Jim Calhoun and everything turned out identical, i'd have made the same choice. But it wasn't John Brown or Dee Rowe or any other previous or hypothetical UConn figure... it was Calhoun.
- as for your last comment... once a foundation is built, the ability to maintain is far easier. if you are a poor kid your whole life and then you invent something and make millions you can logically expect the rest of your family down the lines to be in better financial shape because of what you established, with or without you there. another example would be Steve Jobs dying. Apple may suffer eventually but the foundation is already there for them to be a successful company, the heavy lifting has been done.

my guess is that you're either very young or not very familiar with the history of UConn. i don't mean that as a knock on you, but it's the only logical thing i can come up with to rationalize your stance.

I feel like you make good points and I am fairly young, you are correct. However i still feel that it is the success factor more so than the man that caused the success. I have a lot to add to this that I will try to address tomorrow sometime. Good discussion so far, I appreciate the logical response and comparisons.

 

[Adios]

I've never heard of a non-athlete student decide to attend a college because of an athletic coach. I'm not saying that you didn't do that or did, but I believe that is the issue here.

UConn was my dream school. Only school I ever applied to. As I said, I didn't even bother to look at the campus. So now you've heard it. I am sure I could have applied to and gotten into other schools as well.

 

[BLUEDOGHOUSE]

UConn was my dream school. Only school I ever applied to. As I said, I didn't even bother to look at the campus. So now you've heard it. I am sure I could have applied to and gotten into other schools as well.

UConn is a very good academic school so regardless of your determinative factors for attending (Jim Calhoun) in retrospect it was a good choice.

Emotion is a very tough variable to separate from the business aspects of life. That is another thing you should learn from Calhoun. A contract has 3 elements 1) Offer 2) acceptance and 3) consideration.

As I'm sure your aware the 3rd element in layman's terms simply means something of value given by both parties. UConn and the state of Connecticut has delivered to Calhoun the requisite consideration. Calhoun has stated "NotaDime back".

Well in quid pro quo business dealings good faith and fair dealing is a 2 way street for the duration of that particular contract. I don't live in the sentimentality of the past. That is not a prudent way to conduct business.

 

[61cygni]

Treating people like stocks is not a prudent way to conduct business.

 

[mauconnfan]

UConn is a very good academic school so regardless of your determinative factors for attending (Jim Calhoun) in retrospect it was a good choice.

Emotion is a very tough variable to separate from the business aspects of life. That is another thing you should learn from Calhoun. A contract has 3 elements 1) Offer 2) acceptance and 3) consideration.

As I'm sure your aware the 3rd element in layman's terms simply means something of value given by both parties. UConn and the state of Connecticut has delivered to Calhoun the requisite consideration. Calhoun has stated "NotaDime back".

Well in quid pro quo business dealings good faith and fair dealing is a 2 way street for the duration of that particular contract. I don't live in the sentimentality of the past. That is not a prudent way to conduct business.

You're whacked........Eustachy, Dyson, cognac, stock market? All that from JC being a damn good coach and making UConn what it is? Nice deflection.....and whoever said "...there's a village idiot missing..." is spot on!!

 

[BLUEDOGHOUSE]

Treating people like stocks is not a prudent way to conduct business.

When the person is a JC "type" (which the context of the post dictates) I would argue treating that individual like a stock is the prudent way to conduct business. Otherwise I would agree. Vegas odds @ Mirage on any potential dispute resolution issues work to your disadvantage otherwise.

All my opinion for discussion purposes...

 

[BLUEDOGHOUSE]

You're whacked........Eustachy, Dyson, cognac, stock market? All that from JC being a damn good coach and making UConn what it is? Nice deflection.....and whoever said "...there's a village idiot missing..." is spot on!!

Make critical decisions with a business head and not a bleeding heart.

 

[mauconnfan]

Make critical decisions with a business head and not a bleeding heart.

Make critical decisions with a business head and not a bleeding heart.

No bleeding heart here just guessing I've been watching him coach a lot longer than you and thinking you never knew UConn/Yankee Conference!!!.....pretty simple

 

[61cygni]

Maybe, but loyalty to an employee (especially a high-profile employee) is something that pays dividends down the line by enhancing the desirability of the position (and other positions which are under control of the same administration) when it does become vacant. Can't be certain whether this outweighs whatever benefits (if any even exist) that may come about from cutting your employee loose.

 

[BLUEDOGHOUSE]

Maybe, but loyalty to an employee (especially a high-profile employee) is something that pays dividends down the line by enhancing the desirability of the position (and other positions which are under control of the same administration) when it does become vacant. Can't be certain whether this outweighs whatever benefits (if any even exist) that may come about from cutting your employee loose.

Its tough and your points are well taken.

I think it was Abe Lincoln who made this quote "Give me six hours to chop down a tree and I will spend the first four sharpening the axe."

My point is its time...

JMHO

 

[NOTaDIME]

UConn was my dream school. Only school I ever applied to. As I said, I didn't even bother to look at the campus. So now you've heard it. I am sure I could have applied to and gotten into other schools as well.

It's very interesting that you did that because of Calhoun and I don't doubt you. I could be splitting hairs here but the reason most people chose that route was because of the success of the basketball program. If the program would have been as successful with someone else many would have still attended, therefore it isn't simply because of coach. However, he did cause all of the success so like I said it is splitting hairs.