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I will make two points.

1. If you think Summers play isn't good enough -- which I understand -- I guaranty you he has graded out as our best corner this year.

2. What he did last night is inexcusable and I'm sure he will be punished appropriately. But the fact that many of you think you are mind readers and know that he's been a bad influence in practice is beyond absurd.
 
businesslawyer said:
I will make two points.

1. If you think Summers play isn't good enough -- which I understand -- I guaranty you he has graded out as our best corner this year.

2. What he did last night is inexcusable and I'm sure he will be punished appropriately. But the fact that many of you think you are mind readers and know that he's been a bad influence in practice is beyond absurd.
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I wish you would stop bringing logic into these conversations.
 
ibleedhuskyblue said:
Summers was beat twice big (once for a TD), and you could see him smiling after both like he didn't care.
This was long before the penalty. I think throwing him out was about far more than just the one play.
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Beat at least three times by my counting. But why quibble. The skills in the defensive backfield are atrocious by any all measures.
 
I don’t disagree biz on him being the best corner but he has truly been terrible. I watched him a lot over the last several weeks. No effort tackling or trying to fight through blocks. His coverage has also been very sloppy. He has a ton of talent but somehow the light went off.

The secondary was terrible. The fact Swann is the best option at one of the cb positions right now is horrifying. He couldn’t tackle or cover.
 
businesslawyer said:
I will make two points.

1. If you think Summers play isn't good enough -- which I understand -- I guaranty you he has graded out as our best corner this year.

2. What he did last night is inexcusable and I'm sure he will be punished appropriately. But the fact that many of you think you are mind readers and know that he's been a bad influence in practice is beyond absurd.
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Not sure how you are defining “bad influence” Biz, but Randy all but said he has a tendency to mail it in @ practice and freelance on the field in this JJ article from earlier in the week.

Jeff Jacobs: Jamar Summers Symbolizes Huskies' Purge Of Ugly Memphis Loss

Summers has the talent - it’s consistency, coachability(?) and focus that seems to be the issue.
 
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The tackling last night by our DBs was shameful. Swann isn’t physically ready, which is somewhat understandable. As for Summers, I’m wondering if he cares anymore. Kid has a lot more swagger than game.
 
Bench him or better yet, play him only in the fourth quarter of next week’s game. The message you send to the rest of the team would be far more impactful than any bearing at this stage he would have on any remaining game. I thought he was enjoying himself way too much on the sidelines during that absymal 4th quarter against SMU.
 
businesslawyer said:
I will make two points.

1. If you think Summers play isn't good enough -- which I understand -- I guaranty you he has graded out as our best corner this year.

2. What he did last night is inexcusable and I'm sure he will be punished appropriately. But the fact that many of you think you are mind readers and know that he's been a bad influence in practice is beyond absurd.
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Edsall said last week that Summers did not play hard every practice in camp.

Last April, the Courant wrote. Edsall went on to say that he recently had Summers spend time on the second team "to get his attention a little" and "keep his priorities in line."

Not exactly what a coach wants out of a senior leader.
 
Yeah, Summers has been bad. But the bigger problem is that the pass defense scheme hasn’t changed since Holy Cross showed how easy it is to throw a pass in the flat and pick up minimum 8-15 years any time a team wants. And we don’t have a single playmaking linebacker.
 
huskysupporter said:
I don’t disagree biz on him being the best corner but he has truly been terrible. I watched him a lot over the last several weeks. No effort tackling or trying to fight through blocks. His coverage has also been very sloppy. He has a ton of talent but somehow the light went off.

The secondary was terrible. The fact Swann is the best option at one of the cb positions right now is horrifying. He couldn’t tackle or cover.
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I don't think this is a mystery. He had a great sophomore year, and never recovered from giving up 300 yards to one receiver against Syracuse last year being given no help again and again by HCVV with a WR he couldn't handle one on one. He was never the same player again.

Yes, the lack of mental resiliency is on him, and made him a far less important player. But it shouldn't be a mystery either. He was broken mentally by the malfeasance of our prior head coach.
 
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If Summers is benched for the remainder of the year, we’ll have to play walk on Kyle Williams and look at removing the redshirts on one of Obi (can’t remember his full name) or King.
 
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Summers killed any possible momentum that may have been gained by the interception as well as giving up valuable field position with the penalty assessment. It was a juvenile action, not expected of a veteran player. In my former incarnation as a youth league coach, players got called off the field for such unsportsmanlike conduct & game respect was emphasized as a teachable moment. Playing time is not an entitlement-HCRE couldn't let Summers get away with his action.
 
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Exit 4 said:
If Summers is benched for the remainder of the year, we’ll have to play walk on Kyle Williams and look at removing the redshirts on one of Obi (can’t remember his full name) or Fox.
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Do you mean Fortt? He’s already playing.
 
businesslawyer said:
I will make two points.

1. If you think Summers play isn't good enough -- which I understand -- I guaranty you he has graded out as our best corner this year.

2. What he did last night is inexcusable and I'm sure he will be punished appropriately. But the fact that many of you think you are mind readers and know that he's been a bad influence in practice is beyond absurd.
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BlueDogs said:
Beat at least three times by my counting. But why quibble. The skills in the defensive backfield are atrocious by any all measures.
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Biz, what this guy is saying. Summers has been a lot of WR's patsy.
 
JS may or may not be our best DB. Does it really matter if he is? The unit has been torched by one and all and no one in particular is standing out in a positive manner at the moment.

If the message going forward is that talent is useless without, commitment, discipline, and execution then JS shouldn't be playing.

If is our best DB and is as talented as he seems to think he is, then all the more reason to hold him accountable for his actions.
 
The Point ... trust in HCRE. He's proven to be firm and to have his head on right. Summers has been disappointing; but that doesn't square with some people notion to speculate on his practice or internal team functioning.
 
Pudge said:
The Point ... trust in HCRE. He's proven to be firm and to have his head on right. Summers has been disappointing; but that doesn't square with some people notion to speculate on his practice or internal team functioning.
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It's not speculation. It's what Edsall said. Big difference.
 
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Palatine said:
It's not speculation. It's what Edsall said. Big difference.
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Pal's right here. Edsall has been pretty consistently negative in his comments about Summers with the one exception being that Edsall had said that Summers was beginning to buy in to what coaches were teaching him about a week ago. Besides that, he sarcastically remarked that Summers had broken a record by going three days without having some kind of issue, remarked that he doesn't hustle in practice, and mentioned there being some 'knuckleheads' on the team and then shortly after sort of got after Summers. The guy is clearly not well respected by the staff, and while he's the best CB on our team, he isn't good enough to stay on the field. Maybe irrational, but at this point if the guy doesn't wanna hustle and wants to be an idiot on the field, why not just suspend him for the rest of the season? Our secondary is atrocious either way, and our players need to understand that this isn't acceptable. I saw too many players sulking around the field last night. We were getting totally embarrassed and I saw no sense of fight or pride in our guys with a couple of exceptions--Mensah ran hard, BS showed guts, Joseph is always operating on all cylinders. There is an apparent culture problem. That game should have been our super bowl--an SEC team at home. Our team should have been flying around the field and out hustling them on every play. Instead, we saw poor discipline (multiple personal foul facemasks to begin the game), a lack of hustle, and unsportsmanlike behavior when we finally had a good play. I can stand watching a losing team, but not a losing team that also fails to work hard on the field.
 
businesslawyer said:
I will make two points.

1. If you think Summers play isn't good enough -- which I understand -- I guaranty you he has graded out as our best corner this year.

2. What he did last night is inexcusable and I'm sure he will be punished appropriately. But the fact that many of you think you are mind readers and know that he's been a bad influence in practice is beyond absurd.
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while i dont disagree with what you said, being the highest rated corner against a bunch of frosh isnt all that difficult
 
ZOOCONN said:
while i dont disagree with what you said, being the highest rated corner against a bunch of frosh isnt all that difficult
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I'm not saying he is playing well. He isn't. Just that -- putting discipline aside -- thinking we will be better by sitting him is dumb.
 
businesslawyer said:
I'm not saying he is playing well. He isn't. Just that -- putting discipline aside -- thinking we will be better by sitting him is dumb.
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i dont know if anyone believes we will be better without him but sending the message to young guys on the team that RE wont stand for antics like this cant be understated. we cant afford to rest on talent alone, we have to be try guys, effort guys that always give that extra effort. sending that message may be more important than anything else at this point.
 
businesslawyer said:
I'm not saying he is playing well. He isn't. Just that -- putting discipline aside -- thinking we will be better by sitting him is dumb.
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I get your argument, and obviously our talent level is worse if he's out, but what do we really gain by playing him? We have maybe one win left on our schedule--BC, UCF and USF can pretty much be penciled in as blowouts. In either case, we're a total failure. At that point, you almost gain more by telling the kid to pack his bags and hoping to cultivate harder workers and a better culture for future years. This year is toast.
 
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